Keep your head down when it comes to government posts

[Hawk256]

Are you referring to the bule guy. German?

Not German. Personal friend. Not sure which one actually earned him the deportation. Maybe since it was all 3. Good guy. Feel sorry for him. He has been in Indonesia for 30 years and did a lot of charitable things.

 

[Hawk256]

I wonder which of those things pi$$ed off the power structure the most... May I ask if this person lived in a rural or urban area?

Horrible.

Central Jakarta.

 

[Banana72]

Holy crap 30 years gone poof! just like that!

Not German. Personal friend. Not sure which one actually earned him the deportation. Maybe since it was all 3. Good guy. Feel sorry for him. He has been in Indonesia forr 30 years and did a lot of charitable things.

 

[snpark]

My bad sorry because our resident media correspondant posted a YouTube video about a German getting unoccupied

 

[Hawk256]

Holy crap 30 years gone poof! just like that!

You can imagine his shock. When they told him at first, he thought it might be a bribe attempt. Then he figured they were just trying to scare him into not doing those things anymore. They did drag their feet about it but it ended up just like they told him.

 

[Balifrog]

You can imagine his shock. When they told him at first, he thought it might be a bribe attempt. Then he figured they were just trying to scare him into not doing those things anymore. They did drag their feet about it but it ended up just like they told him.

One should NEVER forget that we are only immigrants..... liable to be kicked out on a wimp.

 

[Bob]

If this guy owns an export-oriented manufacturing company with hundreds of employees, perhaps they will not deport him for the sake of his workers and their families. His business will have to close if he is deported, which is understandable.

Or maybe they’d find someone else to take his place. Have you never heard of a business being seized?

 

[jstar]

To ‘do a lot of charitable things’ could be considered work here. Even without financial compensation.

 

[Hawk256]

To ‘do a lot of charitable things’ could be considered work here. Even without financial compensation.

The certainly seems to be the case but they never actually came out and said it was related to working without a permit. They have been rather vague about the whole thing. At the time he was at the airport waiting on his passport, they still hadn't provided him with any official paperwork. I will know more about that part in a day or so. I will update the post when I know. I imagine all the orphans he has helped over the years appreciate what he did for them, the government not so much.

 

[Dave70]

Or maybe they’d find someone else to take his place. Have you never heard of a business being seized?

No, nationalization of foreign-owned businesses is unheard of since Suharto’s time, it only happened during Sukarno’s time.

 

[pantaiema]

No, nationalization of foreign-owned businesses is unheard of since Suharto’s time, it only happened during Sukarno’s time.

Well, have you heard about Indonesia's mandatory divestment rule, especially in the mining, mineral, and coal sectors?

Foreign investors can initially own up to 100% of an Indonesian mining company (PT PMA), but Indonesia's regulatory framework strongly promotes resource nationalism through mandatory divestment requirements. Under the divestment rule, foreign shareholders are required to gradually divest their shares to Indonesian parties, such as the central or regional government, state-owned enterprises (BUMN), or Indonesian private companies until Indonesian ownership reaches at least 51%.

The divestment timeline depends on the type of mining operation. For most standard mining projects, divestment starts in the 5th year of commercial production and must reach 51% Indonesian ownership by the 10th year. However, for more complex underground mining operations with integrated processing and refining facilities, the divestment obligation is deferred, with the 51% requirement not applying until the 20th year of production.

This is how Freeport McMoran parent company, for instance lose their control in Grasberg mine in Papua, Indonesia, one of the largest copper and gold deposits in the world. They now only own 48.8% while the remaining 51.2% is now owned by Indonesia's state-owned enterprises and Indonesian private businesses. Also that is allegedly one of the main reason why some foreign countries try to help the separatist movement in Papua keep the issue afloat to help them gain independence. Also one of the main reason why some of Indonesian private companies who do not have experience in mining sector suddenly jump into the gravy train and become one of the most prominent businessmen and become very rich owing mining companies. Keep in mind Indonesia is a country with one of the largest nickel, tin, coal, copper reserve in the world. Natural resource nationalism will not necessarily be fully successful. Some of them did not end up well, A few of these Indonesia's private businessmen and high ranking officials of the state owned enterprise have been tried and sentenced in major corruption cases if you follow this thread.

Indonesia & Corruption: a few articles in the past few weeks

https://jakartaglobe.id/news/two-prominent-travel-industry-figures-arrested-in-indonesias-hajj-quota-scandal It's an endless stream...... When I try this link it comes back as Error 403. I also tried the Jakarta Globe with the same result. Then tried using a VPN to relocate in different places...

www.expatindo.org

Also keep in mind that just because they have not been caught does not mean they have been conducting their business with integrity or maintaining regulatory compliance.

 

[centurion]

Well, have you heard about Indonesia's mandatory divestment rule, especially in the mining, mineral, and coal sectors?

Foreign investors can initially own up to 100% of an Indonesian mining company (PT PMA), but Indonesia's regulatory framework strongly promotes resource nationalism through mandatory divestment requirements. Under the divestment rule, foreign shareholders are required to gradually divest their shares to Indonesian parties, such as the central or regional government, state-owned enterprises (BUMN), or Indonesian private companies until Indonesian ownership reaches at least 51%.

The divestment timeline depends on the type of mining operation. For most standard mining projects, divestment starts in the 5th year of commercial production and must reach 51% Indonesian ownership by the 10th year. However, for more complex underground mining operations with integrated processing and refining facilities, the divestment obligation is deferred, with the 51% requirement not applying until the 20th year of production.

This is how Freeport McMoran parent company, for instance lose their control in Grasberg mine in Papua, Indonesia, one of the largest copper and gold deposits in the world. They now only own 48.8% while the remaining 51.2% is now owned by Indonesia's state-owned enterprises and Indonesian private businesses. Also that is allegedly one of the main reason why some foreign countries try to help the separatist movement in Papua keep the issue afloat to help them gain independence. Also one of the main reason why some of Indonesian private companies who do not have experience in mining sector suddenly jump into the gravy train and become one of the most prominent businessmen and become very rich owing mining companies. Keep in mind Indonesia is a country with one of the largest nickel, tin, coal, copper reserve in the world. Natural resource nationalism will not necessarily be fully successful. Some of them did not end up well, A few of these Indonesia's private businessmen and high ranking officials of the state owned enterprise have been tried and sentenced in major corruption cases if you follow this thread.

Indonesia & Corruption: a few articles in the past few weeks

https://jakartaglobe.id/news/two-prominent-travel-industry-figures-arrested-in-indonesias-hajj-quota-scandal It's an endless stream...... When I try this link it comes back as Error 403. I also tried the Jakarta Globe with the same result. Then tried using a VPN to relocate in different places...

www.expatindo.org

Also keep in mind that just because they have not been caught does not mean they have been conducting their business with integrity or maintaining regulatory compliance.

Incorrect in at least 2 points.

 

[Bob]

No, nationalization of foreign-owned businesses is unheard of since Suharto’s time, it only happened during Sukarno’s time.

I knew a guy whose employer was deported and the business taken by locals, well after Sukarno was running things.

 

[pantaiema]

Incorrect in at least 2 points.

Mind to clarify what is what is incorrect ? Is it about the divestment rule ??