Indonesian's Desensitized.

[Puspawarna]

I agree with vanhelsing. I have never had someone offer to show me dead and dismembered body parts from Facebook from the U.S.A. I have had many from Indonesia.

Exactly what I came in to say. I am still reeling from an Air Asia flight I took, during which my seatmate, a sweet little thing in hijab, without warning shoved her cell phone in my face, upon which was displayed a picture of the body parts of a DISMEMBERED WOMAN heaped on a table.

That was the episode I was least prepared for, but it's not the only time Indonesians have casually shoved gore in my face. You want to accuse me of generalizing, go right ahead, but here's my generalization: it's happened to me multiple times in Indonesia, but no American in their right mind would do something like that.

 

[Daniel50]

Who gets to decide what's "appropriate" - the deceased, the community or society in which they lived, those from other cultures?
I gotta confess - I hate the word "appropriate" - usually mealy mouthed code for "I don't like ..... but am not able to justify my opinion."

Yes, I realise appropriate in a culture is a loaded term. Yes who gets to decide. I was merely quoting an Indonesians opinion. Yes one observation is merely anecdotal evidence. So again there opinion was perhaps people don't believe they are doing anything wrong, I am not sure if they are but some people, including Indonesians notice it and find it insensitive.

 

[waarmstrong]

Exactly what I came in to say. I am still reeling from an Air Asia flight I took, during which my seatmate, a sweet little thing in hijab, without warning shoved her cell phone in my face, upon which was displayed a picture of the body parts of a DISMEMBERED WOMAN heaped on a table.

That was the episode I was least prepared for, but it's not the only time Indonesians have casually shoved gore in my face. You want to accuse me of generalizing, go right ahead, but here's my generalization: it's happened to me multiple times in Indonesia, but no American in their right mind would do something like that.

I guess you are unfamiliar with Youtube. Same as Alice's Restaurant, you can get anything you want -- including traffic accident gore, and Jeffrey Dohmer style dismembered body parts. I don't know if the stuff is posted by little old ladies in hujabs, but it garners massive numbers of hits.

 

[Puspawarna]

There is a HUGE difference between having something available on youtube and having it shoved in your face whether you want it or not.

 

[brian@bekasi]

Reading these posts I think I must live a simple sheltered live in Indonesia. I have never experienced or been shown pictures of dead people or dismembered body parts in Indonesia. My worst experience in dead dogs for sale in markets in Manado.

 

[waarmstrong]

There is a HUGE difference between having something available on youtube and having it shoved in your face whether you want it or not.

Your persona seems to attract an odd lot including old ladies and others titillated by gore, to say nothing of grabby-handed joggers. I think a controlled study is in order. Once you retire and return to the USA, I hope you can spend some time on planes next to old ladies and other gore sharing settings. If nothing happens, then I would be reasonably certain that cultural rather than a personal anomaly is the cause of your unusually large number of shared-gore episodes.

 

[Puspawarna]

Your persona seems to attract an odd lot including old ladies and others titillated by gore, to say nothing of grabby-handed joggers. I think a controlled study is in order. Once you retire and return to the USA, I hope you can spend some time on planes next to old ladies and other gore sharing settings. If nothing happens, then I would be reasonably certain that cultural rather than a personal anomaly is the cause of your unusually large number of shared-gore episodes.

Great idea, but since I will retire to Hawaii, I am afraid your controlled study will not happen, as I hesitate to draw extensive conclusions about the mainland from what my Hawaiian neighbors do.

 

[waarmstrong]

In the interests of scientific research, we can put you up for the duration.

 

[Puspawarna]

In the interests of scientific research, we can put you up for the duration.

Sounds like a good deal to me!

 

[Felicity]

To me it seems to be a bystander effect phenomenon. It happens worldwide. When it comes to social media usage, Indonesia is one of the biggest social media user in the world. Not just social media but also internet in general. It turns out to give impact to the personality as they will create less social interaction and it decreases social skills, one of them is empathy. People with less empathy tend to see human and other living things as an object. Not to mention that Asia (Africa and South America) has collectivism culture, where people have high conformity and behave like what other people around them behave. It is a dynamic social phenomenon, and I think at some point, many Indonesians are not ready with fast pace of (in this case) technology. It seems more of dehumanising than improving the quality of human being.

 

[Anglian]

Indonesians do have a limit on Gore, I had a young man sucked into an engine of a B737-200, he suffered multiple injuries but survived, I notice when we did engine ground runs on a B737-400, the mechanics weren't really paying attention,I got a bit cross as they didn't comply with my orders regarding run up safety, on the internet are some photos of a baggage handler who had been sucked into a -400 engine, I displayed these the safety notice board, it was requested I take the photos down as they couldn't take it, so even Indonesians have a limit, the photos had an amazing effect on the run procedures and safety

 

[Davita]

Indonesians do have a limit on Gore, I had a young man sucked into an engine of a B737-200, he suffered multiple injuries but survived, I notice when we did engine ground runs on a B737-400, the mechanics weren't really paying attention,I got a bit cross as they didn't comply with my orders regarding run up safety, on the internet are some photos of a baggage handler who had been sucked into a -400 engine, I displayed these the safety notice board, it was requested I take the photos down as they couldn't take it, so even Indonesians have a limit, the photos had an amazing effect on the run procedures and safety

I watched Rolls Royce engineers fire chickens into carbon-fiber compressor blades on RB211 engines to see if the blades could stand the shock (they didn't)...but to have a young man sucked into a B737 engine is totally outta sight...way to go Anglian I'm sure it was in the interest of science.

Out of interest.......were any engine compressor blades damaged...:lol:

 

[Anglian]

I watched Rolls Royce engineers fire chickens into carbon-fiber compressor blades on RB211 engines to see if the blades could stand the shock (they didn't)...but to have a young man sucked into a B737 engine is totally outta sight...way to go Anglian I'm sure it was in the interest of science.

Out of interest.......were any engine compressor blades damaged...:lol:

No, a body doesn't get past the stators, see pm

 

[sumyunggai]

When it comes to social media usage, Indonesia is one of the biggest social media user in the world. Not just social media but also internet in general. It turns out to give impact to the personality as they will create less social interaction and it decreases social skills, one of them is empathy. People with less empathy tend to see human and other living things as an object. Not to mention that Asia (Africa and South America) has collectivism culture, where people have high conformity and behave like what other people around them behave. It is a dynamic social phenomenon, and I think at some point, many Indonesians are not ready with fast pace of (in this case) technology. It seems more of dehumanising than improving the quality of human being.

THis is not true. Indonesia's social media penetration is half of Singapore's. Most people do not have social media.

 

[jukung11]

THis is not true. Indonesia's social media penetration is half of Singapore's. Most people do not have social media.

I believe that statistic actually proves her point more than goes against it. Indonesia as a country accesses most social media platforms (twitter, google+, facebook) more than any other country. If social media has that little penetration, the usage per user is sky high compared to the rest of the world.

 

[sumyunggai]

I believe that statistic actually proves her point more than goes against it. Indonesia as a country accesses most social media platforms (twitter, google+, facebook) more than any other country.

Source?

 

[jukung11]

Source?

Also
https://www.emarketer.com/Article/I...rking-Tops-List-of-Digital-Activities/1012582

http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/02/22...age-continues-to-climb-in-emerging-economies/

http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/02/22...net-users-in-emerging-and-developing-nations/

Indonesia is listed as having about 30% of the population with regular access to the Internet. So when they list 30% participation rate in Social media, it means almost every person that accesses the Internet uses social media.

I have read many articles on this over the years. The reason Indonesia has a lower participation rate because of poverty and access to internet (majority of the country is extremely poor). There is also a significant technology gap by age in Indonesia with internet participation very low over 50. Only more recently with the widespread penetration of low cost smart phones have more Indonesians even had the opportunity to access the Internet. I believe I read in one article almost 70% of Indonesia's internet traffic is from mobile devices. That is a statistic I haven't researched. The mobile networks across Indonesia still suck and it has been a problem with adoption.

The real reason I pay attention to this is Indonesia is often cited as one of the valuation reasons for the value of Facebook and Twitter stock. They have the some of greatest usage per user, a huge country, and are a very captive audience for advertising because most users are mobile. Indonesia is touted as a huge potential growth rate because of the low participation but high usage. The downside of the argument against that valuation for the stock is that Indonesia is very poor and lacks a middle class with extra disposable income. The advertising revenue in $ terms is very low and has no future until the country as a whole improves.

 

[atlantis]

The reason Indonesia has a lower participation rate because of poverty and access to internet (majority of the country is extremely poor). There is also a significant technology gap by age in Indonesia with internet participation very low over 50.

I have recently offered my MIL a Samsung tab. She is over 60 and can't be categorized as wealthy. She only had an old nokia and has always refused that we offer her any smartphone by fear of not being able to use it. This time, I didn't ask her for her advise.
In the 5 minutes she had the Samsung in hand she created a Facebook profile and sent me an invitation! Now, whenever I pass by and stop to her house to check if everything is fine with her, I almost always "disturb" her in the middle of a chat session on whatever social network she surfs. WTF? I don't even know how to use Twitter, me!

 

[Daniel50]

I have recently offered my MIL a Samsung tab. She is over 60 and can't be categorized as wealthy. She only had an old nokia and has always refused that we offer her any smartphone by fear of not being able to use it. This time, I didn't ask her for her advise.
In the 5 minutes she had the Samsung in hand she created a Facebook profile and sent me an invitation! Now, whenever I pass by and stop to her house to check if everything is fine with her, I almost always "disturb" her in the middle of a chat session on whatever social network she surfs. WTF? I don't even know how to use Twitter, me!

Which part of the Ipsos analysis is this?

 

[atlantis]

Which part of the Ipsos analysis is this?

Did you read in my post that I was referring to the Ipsos analysis?

I was agreeing with quoting Jukung11's comment ("The reason Indonesia has a lower participation rate because of poverty and access to internet (majority of the country is extremely poor. There is also a significant technology gap by age in Indonesia with internet participation very low over 50"), noting that even poor people over 50 (having to deal with the technology gap Jukung was alluding to), when they are given the possibility, are avid social network users (ex: my MIL).
As a counter example, I was pointing at the fact that I (not poor and below 50) was not aware and can not be bothered with most of the social networks.