Indonesia Second Home Programme - All Retirement Stay Permits Abolished and Existing Holders Scheduled for Expulsion in Case of Non-Compliance

[snpark]

That's not what I'm seeing online. Seems a lot of higher end digital nomads think this is a good deal (they haven't read it of course).

So just to be clear because I also haven't read it...does it allow remote work? Is there any taxes?

No work

 

[fastpitch17]

That's not what I'm seeing online. Seems a lot of higher end digital nomads think this is a good deal (they haven't read it of course).

So just to be clear because I also haven't read it...does it allow remote work? Is there any taxes?

They mention Influencers as well as refirees. Does not an Influencer do their work primarily in social medias? So, I would think depending on which classification you fall under, one xould work and of course be taxed for it. It's the work from home era and Indonesia seems to think according to some travel ads that there is no better place than working from home in Indonesia, Bali primarily.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

All the 3 main players in this would have to agree on how such as system works in practice for digital nomads:

• Immigration (for residence)
• Manpower (for permission to work)
• Tax office (for paying taxes)

Will they agree? No.

 

[centurion]

Indonesian media: Second Home Program opens doors to mass immigration from China. Indonesia will end up like Palestine. The Great Replacement is coming.

Yasonna Tepis Visa Rumah Kedua Bikin RI 'Diserbu' China, Ini Alasannya

Yasonna H Laoly menepis dampak negatif penerapan kebijakan visa rumah kedua atau second home visa. Apa alasannya?

news.detik.com

Second Home Visa Bisa Picu Banyak WNA China Datang ke Indonesia, Pengamat Ingatkan Sejarah Israel di Palestina - Watyutink

Pengamat politik Muslim Arbi menyebut kebijakan second home visa bisa berbahaya bagi kestabilan dan keamanan Indonesia

www.watyutink.com

Yasonna Pastikan Second Home Visa Tak Picu Migrasi Besar-besaran Warga China ke Indonesia

Justru kebijakan ini akan memberikan multiplier effect bagi perekonomian Indonesia.

www.suara.com

 

[nardo]

No work

Hardly call uploading deep fake life to Facbook. work... Or running spam and ad bots, bloody kids these days dont know the meaning of work ...

 

[snpark]

Hardly call uploading deep fake life to Facbook. work... Or running spam and ad bots, bloody kids these days dont know the meaning of work ...

Hey!! I resemble that remark

 

[Teabag]

Indonesian media: Second Home Program opens doors to mass immigration from China. Indonesia will end up like Palestine. The Great Replacement is coming.

Yasonna Tepis Visa Rumah Kedua Bikin RI 'Diserbu' China, Ini Alasannya

Yasonna H Laoly menepis dampak negatif penerapan kebijakan visa rumah kedua atau second home visa. Apa alasannya?

news.detik.com

Second Home Visa Bisa Picu Banyak WNA China Datang ke Indonesia, Pengamat Ingatkan Sejarah Israel di Palestina - Watyutink

Pengamat politik Muslim Arbi menyebut kebijakan second home visa bisa berbahaya bagi kestabilan dan keamanan Indonesia

www.watyutink.com

Yasonna Pastikan Second Home Visa Tak Picu Migrasi Besar-besaran Warga China ke Indonesia

Justru kebijakan ini akan memberikan multiplier effect bagi perekonomian Indonesia.

www.suara.com

yessss, they are sooo scared from the Chinese folks.... still, even they are not allowed to work, maybe the rich ones take all the women ???

 

[fastpitch17]

yessss, they are sooo scared from the Chinese folks.... still, even they are not allowed to work, maybe the rich ones take all the women ???

One thing to look at. It isn't so much that Indonesians are scared of chinese people, it is that they are scared of communism. The ones they most associate with communism are the chinese. While the givernment has no problem getting in bed with the communist government of china, the people here were taught to fear communist influance.

 

[Balifrog]

More "down to earth" reasons :

Locals Worry New Second Home Visa In Bali Will Lead To Overdevelopment

Concerns are being raised by local people in Bali and government ministers that the new visa category will lead to ‘invasion’ of investment.

thebalisun.com

 

[centurion]

More "down to earth" reasons :

Locals Worry New Second Home Visa In Bali Will Lead To Overdevelopment

Concerns are being raised by local people in Bali and government ministers that the new visa category will lead to ‘invasion’ of investment.

thebalisun.com

Nobody mentions the existing foreign retirees anymore, looks like they will have to really pack and go home.

 

[Dave70]

More "down to earth" reasons :

Locals Worry New Second Home Visa In Bali Will Lead To Overdevelopment

Concerns are being raised by local people in Bali and government ministers that the new visa category will lead to ‘invasion’ of investment.

thebalisun.com

Could this program been rolled out in a rush just in time for those who wish to escape winter in Europe? You know, gas and electricity crisis causing extremely high cost of living. And Ukrainians fleeing the war too.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

Nobody mentions the existing foreign retirees anymore, looks like they will have to really pack and go home.

Wow that article has so many errors:

"The policy allows foreigners to buy both land and apartments and gives them permanent ownership and the right to resell." [no it doesn't]
"The visa is available to anyone who can show proof of funds in their bank account of USD 130,000." [not "their" bank account but a state bank]
"an opportunity for those who have forfeited their Indonesian citizenship in favor of stronger international passports due to work, family, or relationships and those who were born into the Indonesian diaspora" [there is already an ex-WNI path for these people]
"The visa targets high earners, retirees, and highly skilled digital nomads to invest in building a life in Indonesia." Building a life then after 10 years get kicked out?

 

[Teabag]

"an opportunity for those who have forfeited their Indonesian citizenship in favor of stronger international passports due to work, family, or relationships and those who were born into the Indonesian diaspora" [there is already an ex-WNI path for these people]

The suspicious thing is that the news always talks about the diaspora (at least this one doctor in the US).

I am afraid that they will do away with the current ex-WNI pathway (Visa Index 318). Why would they run 2 paths for the diaspora...one for the rich and one for average Jo and Jane? Probably not...

 

[Teabag]

they are scared of communism.

Yes, the communists, I forgot about them.

Once I had a discussion with some local people at Lake Toba in Sumatra. I told them that in Europe you are free as far as religion is concerned. You can be Christian, Muslim, Hindu, whatever you want. You can even be an atheist.......

They made big eyes then... Atheist ?? COMMUNISTS !!!!

I then finished my coffee and left, they didn't understand the concept of freedom.

 

[Teabag]

In summary, it can be seen that the new regulation has once again been created in the Indonesian way. Not thought through, details not clarified, just again only half things done.

That leaves then super leeway for the imigrations officials in the interpretation of the rules. everyone as he wants, the smaller and more remote the place the worse. We will see, at the latest in January, when we want to apply for our ex-WNI visa, that will be fun....

 

[pantaiema]

Wow that article has so many errors:

"The policy allows foreigners to buy both land and apartments and gives them permanent ownership and the right to resell." [no it doesn't]
"The visa is available to anyone who can show proof of funds in their bank account of USD 130,000." [not "their" bank account but a state bank]
"an opportunity for those who have forfeited their Indonesian citizenship in favor of stronger international passports due to work, family, or relationships and those who were born into the Indonesian diaspora" [there is already an ex-WNI path for these people]
"The visa targets high earners, retirees, and highly skilled digital nomads to invest in building a life in Indonesia." Building a life then after 10 years get kicked out?

What is worrying here is that, that press statement come from minister who supposed to know the law more than anyone else.
It is probably the same when a ministerial decrees was issued. He just signed without reading it carefully, or understanding the consequences.

 

[Teabag]

What is worrying here is that, that press statement come from minister who supposed to know the law more than anyone else.
It is probably the same when a law was issued. He just signed without reading it or understading it carefully.

Read my post above you, there you have the explanation

 

[nardo]

super leeway for the imigrations officials in the interpretation of the rules. everyone as he wants, the smaller and more remote the place the worse.

And some "agents" in Bali will of course next, be offering a rubber stamp, pay per Visa for a hefty fee...

 

[centurion]

Actually, it looks like the retirement visa has been canceled with the Omnibus Law-it went unnoticed:

Ketentuan Pasal 39 diubah sehingga berbunyi sebagaiberikut:
Pasal 39
(1) Visa tinggal terbatas diberikan kepada Orang Asing:
a. sebagai rohaniawan, tenaga ahli, pekerja,
peneliti, pelajar, investor, rumah kedua, dan
keluarganya, serta Orang Asing yang kawin
secara sah dengan warga negara Indonesia,
yang akan melakukan perjalanan ke Wilayah
Indonesia untuk bertempat tinggal dalam
jangka waktu yang terbatas; atau
b.dalam rangka bergabung untuk bekerja di atas
kapal, alat apung, atau instalasi yang
beroperasi di wilayah perairan nusantara, laut
teritorial, landas kontinen, dan/ atau Zona
Ekonomi Eksklusif Indonesia.
(21 Ketentuan lebih lanjut mengenai Visa tinggal
terbatas sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (1) diatur
dalam Peraturan Pemerintah.

 

[snpark]

Tourism Ministry collabs with AirBnB to lure digital nomads to Bali | Coconuts

The Ministry of Tourism and Creative Economy recently announced their collaboration with popular rental platform AirBnB with the launch of the latter’s page, Live and Work Anywhere Bali.

coconuts.co