Implication of IND elections of 2024 on future legislation !?

[Edd]

What do you think that presidential change will make any stir about laws considering WNA/foreigners and related things in the aftermath ?
I think either Prabowo or Anies takes it it will be more stricter either way.
Although in Thailand legislation of weed came out of the blue from junta. I think something similar in Indonesia is out of the question. Either it is dual citizenship, or allowing freehold of property or something similar.
I wish I will be wrong, but all this recent laws (harder to obtain bank account, banning of interfaith marriages overseas, sale of alcohol in RI etc ..) are just pointing in one direction.
And that is it will be just more harder, which translates in way more expensive for an average resident.

If in Jokowi era there were no real movements forward (except maybe digitalization and better and more efficient immigration office) i do not think there will be after him either. But rather step backwards.

I think hardliners will get more free hands to tailor the legislation, and there will be consensus from all sides that foreigners need to pay somehow more.

First where this might manifest is NPWP/tax regulations for WNI residents. I do not know exactly but I have feeling that they will find the way to take their piece of pie on whatever you bring inside RI !

Now, that would not be so awful thing if WNA together with their WNI spouses aren't already somewhat of second class citizens by many tangible merits.

What do you guy thinks ?

 

[snpark]

I don't think anything because I have no say in the matter, if at any point it becomes that I don't like or accept the terms and conditions to live here, then maybe I move

It is not less or more harder or easier to live here and deal with daily bureauracy than anywhere else, but at least here I can just pay someone else to do all the running around for me

 

[Balifrog]

I don't think anything because I have no say in the matter, if at any point it becomes that I don't like or accept the terms and conditions to live here, then maybe I move

It is not less or more harder or easier to live here and deal with daily bureauracy than anywhere else, but at least here I can just pay someone else to do all the running around for me

Agreed on both paragraphes.

 

[pantaiema]

What do you think that presidential change will make any stir about laws considering WNA/foreigners and related things in the aftermath ?
I think either Prabowo or Anies takes it it will be more stricter either way.
Although in Thailand legislation of weed came out of the blue from junta. I think something similar in Indonesia is out of the question. Either it is dual citizenship, or allowing freehold of property or something similar.
I wish I will be wrong, but all this recent laws (harder to obtain bank account, banning of interfaith marriages overseas, sale of alcohol in RI etc ..) are just pointing in one direction.
And that is it will be just more harder, which translates in way more expensive for an average resident.

If in Jokowi era there were no real movements forward (except maybe digitalization and better and more efficient immigration office) i do not think there will be after him either. But rather step backwards.

I think hardliners will get more free hands to tailor the legislation, and there will be consensus from all sides that foreigners need to pay somehow more.

First where this might manifest is NPWP/tax regulations for WNI residents. I do not know exactly but I have feeling that they will find the way to take their piece of pie on whatever you bring inside RI !

Now, that would not be so awful thing if WNA together with their WNI spouses aren't already somewhat of second class citizens by many tangible merits.

What do you guy thinks ?

Conduct thorough research, as the initial information is also accessible on this forum. Both PS and AB have deep ties with hardliners and religious fundamentalists aiming to alter the Indonesian constitution. Do research who is behind the previous election unrest, deadly clashes, a mob burnt various places.

Those who intensely desire the presidency, coupled with a history of electoral losses, can lead some individuals to tailor their message to say whatever voters would want to hear to win votes at any cost, including through unspoken partnerships with potentially undesirable players.

In contrast to the overt demonstrations employed in the previous election emphasizing his connection with hardliners, In a shrewd political move, PS appears to be adopting a more covert approach in the current election. Another subtle strategy is directed at winning support from Jokowi's voters, as indicated by his selection of Jokowi's son as his vice president.

If rapid personal wealth creation for yourself, your family, and your associates is the sole objective, the quickest route involves acquiring easy funds from others. This can be achieved through means such as Increasing taxes, Raising fees for various government services, changing laws and fees to make it more difficult for WNA/foreigners and highly skilled immigrants to settle in Indonesia without benefiting them personally, even if it means harming the country's progress.

Additionally, this approach often involves irresponsible borrowing, leaving the burden of debt for future generations to pay. Keep in mind, however, that after ten years in power, you leave the burden of fixing the damage to your successor. This path may offer short-term personal gain, but it comes at a significant long-term cost to Indonesia and its people.

A short-sighted path to development, focused on ruthless exploitation of natural resources like oil, gas, minerals, and forests, could leave Indonesia to face environmental calamities. Expect a surge in environmental catastrophes like forest fires, deforestation, replaced by palm/rubber plantation, large-scale disasters like the Lapindo mudflow, alongside devastating floods. This unsustainable approach might result the resurgent corruption, reminiscent of the darkest days of Suharto's regime, when Indonesia held the title of the world's most corrupt nation.

 

[Bad_azz]

I can vote this time. However, I likely won't because I still feel like its none of my business who the Indonesians vote for.
I can't say I have noticed anything re banning alcohol, I have noticed a brand new & shiny alcohol shop open up close to my house though.
I can say that I have never to my knowledge been treated like a second class citizen.
I have certainly been far from the 'invisible' soul I would be in the UK.
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I am struggling to make any real sense from your post though.
What exactly is it you want to know:
Are we against the elections?
Do we want Prabowo, or Anies to win? They likely are all pals who know each other's families and fit into a small elite circle.
Are you suggesting that Indonesia will become an extremist country?
Are you suggesting that Indonesia doesn't want immigrants (few countries do if we look at any MSM or voting trends).
I have noticed that the infrastructure over the years is strengthening, the roads are better, travelling from one city to another is easier. I have noticed that the choice of consumer goods available is far wider than it was 10 years ago.
I can't predict the future & I don't get anxious about it.

 

[Edd]

I think Prabowo will win, but fundamentalists will want their piece of pie this time. and somewhere will have to give.
Nationalism is on rise globally, and I think it will reflect in Indonesia in worst possible way.
On the other hand if Anies wins, I think sharia way of living it will speed up their way into societal fabric.
Sure if you are upper cast (wealthy enough) you will be able to live in your "high castle" unaffected like always.
But me personally I was always imagined Jakarta as city "Al Pari" with more of Singapore than Islamabad. Nevertheless it has been way ahead of Singapore 40-50 years ago.
Bu I am irrelevant ...

I just wonder what you people think about possible outcomes and reflections upon Indonesian society.

 

[fastpitch17]

Since some of the parties supporting Prabowo have brought in members of the Soeharto family as advisors, I know of nothing they would stop at corrupting and if later given a position within earshot of the president they would advise down a path good for them and screw Indonesia. Seeing Praboro's ads certainly feel odd since they constantly drop Jokowi's name. Guaranteed that with Prabowo you will never see any human rights investigations. Too afraid his name would be brought up. Unfortunately, the Jokowi name and any positives is being exploited and that starts with chosing Jokowi's son as a VP running mate after the courts questionably approved his inclusion. He claims he has seen the light but really, can you just change everything you think over night? I doubt it very much.

Anies has the hardliners. Why the election governing authorities have not cracked down on his campaigning inside Mosque is questioning since one of the rules is no campaigning inside any house of worship. I remember the hardliner's various protest and rallies in Jakarta where against the government's wishes Anies still showed up giving his support. That alone speaks volumes about where he stands. The mass organization gave a statement that they were backing no candidate this time. Err, they should have said they were not going public in who they were backing. I think that no matter what, Anies comes in third.

Ganjar, well, do we really know much about him. From what I seen that is limited, he would be the one with the least baggage. He always seemed to stay positive even with a tough campaign schedule. He seems well liked and he did lead the polls before submissive, inexperienced Gibren joined Prabowo and shot up in the polls. Ganjars VP choice is by far the best choice of all of them to put Indonesia first. May be the toughest on corruption in the nation.

I find it sad that so many want to vote for who will be VP and not for who will be President when after a win the VP gets their marching orders from the President. Around Bandar Lampung it seems Gibren us not liked. Mafud MD is. Prabowo us not liked any longer where they always supported him previously. Anies is not trusted what so ever. Ganjar right now is liked and Mafud MD is loved. Couple months to go and it can all change.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

I would vote for any candidate cracking down on noise pollution, which means a) complete ban on mosque loudspeakers and b) complete ban on motorbikes with noisy exhausts. Breaching the rules would result in a mandatory prison sentence.
Since I doubt any candidate will include these policies in their platforms, I'll just watch from the sidelines, and as long as Anies doesn't win I'm sure the country will be relatively OK.

 

[pantaiema]

I can't predict the future & I don't get anxious about it.

Are you sure about this BA ???
I recall the time when the cohabitation law, sex outside of marriage, was introduced, you were one of the persons who initiated a discussion thread in this forum to share your concerns (should we wait and see on the sideline?). But I might be mistaken you, with someone else ....

As far as I remember, that thread was subsequently merged with another one. You can find in here:

Indonesia set to introduce strict new law banning sex outside of marriage

Draft for a law: Criminalisation for Couples who Check In to the Hotel but Not Married This is one of the reason why the people are really worried with religious extremist movement interfering people personal life. They keep moving forward and might not want stop until Shariah Law is...

www.expatindo.org

 

[snpark]

My girlfriend is married so I'm ok lol

 

[Samoerai]

My girlfriend is married so I'm ok lol

Good one ... you should post this in the thread "Jokes".

 

[john madden]

My then partner and I often got: "Are you two married?" "Of course, but not to each other!"

 

[fastpitch17]

My then partner and I often got: "Are you two married?" "Of course, but not to each other!"

My wife and I still get asked that. I'm 72 and she will be 70 in a couple months. 43 years married next month.

 

[snpark]

From 1937 to 1980 is the same as 1980 to this year 2023, just to make you feel old

 

[Edd]

My wife and I still get asked that. I'm 72 and she will be 70 in a couple months. 43 years married next month.

They say first 50 years is the hardest ...

 

[snpark]

They also say put $1 in a jar everytime you have sex before you get married. And take $1 out everytime you have sex AFTER you get married.

You will never empty it