Global Citizenship Indonesia

[Hawk256]

That’s true for the countries you mentioned. However, there are still more countries that do not require IMEI registration e.g about 28 versus 165 (see attached). More importantly, the reply addresses this point: '...and when regulations did change, I cannot agree that they often became worse....'. Going from no registration requirement to mandatory registration is a change for the worse, isn’t it?"

If the sellers had been paying the proper taxes, it wouldn't be in the state it is. White listing phones that have the tax paid is an easy solution to the problem. If you don't like it, blame the unscrupulous cell phone dealers that were bypassing the tax system.

 

[pantaiema]

If the sellers had been paying the proper taxes, it wouldn't be in the state it is. White listing phones that have the tax paid is an easy solution to the problem. If you don't like it, blame the unscrupulous cell phone dealers that were bypassing the tax system.

I'm not sure if the issue is a lack of comprehension or simply not reading the previous post before replying. The reply addresses this point: '...and when regulations did change, I cannot agree that they often became worse....' For anyone with common sense, moving from no registration requirement to mandatory registration is clearly a change for the worse. This isn’t about personal preference or assigning blame.

 

[pantaiema]

This is an incomplete copy and paste. In the previous version on evisa website, these documents were the acceptable proof of prior citizenship.

If the copy and paste is incomplete as you said, the issue originates from them, not me. Please see the attached below.

They would be already able to get ex Indonesian visa since like a decade ago. So I don't get what your argument is.

Also in response to previous post #53. where you said
"I would argue the privileges (if any) of owning properties or companies is more important, if diaspora investment is the goal"

If they are Ex-Indonesian but pensioners at retirement age, is owning property or companies really the key factor? What may seem important to you might not be as relevant to others. And certainly the visa provision for ex-citizen such as GCI (OCI equivalent) is not mainly intended for investors as for this purposes the investor Visa has been made available for such a long time.

Depending from individual circumstances, but I believe for some people, even amounts like USD 5k, 10k matter if the money is essentially “dead” or inaccessible. Keep in mind that these pensioners may not come from developed countries with good or golden plate pension. Think about Suriname, former communist nations, or Eastern European countries.

Also, remember that even if they had opportunities to move to Indonesia in the past under previous visa programs, they may have chosen not to, possibly because they were waiting for a better provision, such as the OCI, which has been promised for many years. But with the current preview, they might have encountered that it is even worse than the previous Indonesian visa provision. Let alone if it is to be compared with truly OCI.

 

[Hawk256]

I'm not sure if the issue is a lack of comprehension or simply not reading the previous post before replying. The reply addresses this point: '...and when regulations did change, I cannot agree that they often became worse....' For anyone with common sense, moving from no registration requirement to mandatory registration is clearly a change for the worse. This isn’t about personal preference or assigning blame.

It seems like you are the one that lacks comprehension. I was simply explaining the reason for the change and that it wasn't something the government would have done if sellers had followed the rule.

 

[pantaiema]

It seems like you are the one that lacks comprehension. I was simply explaining the reason for the change and that it wasn't something the government would have done if sellers had followed the rule.

And did you notice you reply and quote my post ?? Which is certainly addressing this issue '...and when regulations did change, I cannot agree that they often became worse....'. The post is not about the reason why the government do that or who is to blame.

 

[marcus]

... Based on past experience, regulations can easily be changed, often for the worse ... A current example is the topic of this thread. Compare GCI with, for instance, E32C or E31A ... Another example relates to ...

Your examples of "regulations' changes" are newly created rules , not changes to existing rules .

To stay on the subject of this thread , let me talk only about your first example : the creation of new visas to ex-Indonesians . Doesn't matter how worse (or better) the 4 new visas are compared to the 4 other older (still valid) visas . Having more visa options are (in principle) better , not worse .

 

[pantaiema]

My understanding is that the GCI (E32X or other new dispora E31A visa index) grants a lifetime ITAP, with only a reporting requirement every five years and no further fees. However, an OFFICIAL Indonesian immigration agent has stated otherwise, claiming it is valid for only 15 years (see attached), which would mean paying another Rp34.8m after that period (potentially more if fees increase).

After a quick review (I haven’t had time for a thorough check), I noticed that the agent’s explanation appears to contradict the information published on the official website (see the other attachment).
Also in a more authoritative source; Permen_Imipas_No_3_2025 Article 34 para (1), it is clearly stated, five years reporting requirement and no fees:

"Diaspora holding Permanent Residence Permits for an unlimited period of time are required to report to the Immigration Office whose working area covers the Diaspora's residence every 5 (five) years and are not subject to any fees."

I might have missed something. Could anyone else have a look on this for a definitive confirmation; it might be from another regulation (?) to prove that the agent’s information given the this person is incorrect (or it might be correct ?), or is this simple a usual case of the individual responding to the query is unprofessional not understand their own rules / regulations?

 

[snpark]

Go on what the official imigrasi www says
If you apply and make mistake it tells you long before you even have to pay


not some politician who doesn't even know what day it is