Global Citizenship Indonesia

[dannyboy]

Indonesia luncurkan Global Citizenship of Indonesia ala India untuk permudah diaspora

GCI memberikan izin tinggal tetap tanpa batas waktu kepada individu berkewarganegaraan asing yang memiliki ikatan darah, kekerabatan, sejarah, atau hubungan emosional dengan Indonesia.

www.cna.id

Another day…another new name for the same thing?

Any thoughts? What is the difference between this is and KITAP unlimited? What about diaspora Golden visa?

 

[marcus]

Another day…another new name for the same thing?

I guess it is just another name , because the Immigration Law of 2011 changed recently in 2020 and 2023 (few changes) .

What is the difference between this is and KITAP unlimited?

All 4 Diaspora Visas now available will become KITAS , then can be converted to the 5 years KITAP , then can be extended to time unlimited KITAP .

What about diaspora Golden visa?

Diaspora Visas are related to ex-Indonesians & ex-Indonesian descendents .

Golden Visas are for : investors , talented people , celebrities , and retirees willing to invest US$50'000 in Indonesia .

 

[pantaiema]

This is also from Antara. Formal news Channel from Indonesian Government

Indonesia launches GCI scheme to address dual citizenship issues

The Indonesian Ministry of Immigration and Corrections has launched the Global Citizenship of Indonesia (GCI) initiative to address challenges arising from ...

en.antaranews.com

Based on the former Minister of Law and Human Rights’ statement, Indonesia was expected to introduce a program similar to India’s OCI (Overseas Citizen of India).

Statement from the new Minister:
"Andrianto (the minister) noted that several countries implement similar systems, citing India’s Overseas Citizenship scheme as an example."

The newly launched GCI scheme (apparently introduced a few days ago) may be what they were referring to as Indonesia’s version of OCI, though this is still uncertain. I also noticed a new visa category, E32E, which matches the GCI’s description. At least I have not seen this the E32E before in eVisa website.
E32E
A person who was previously an Indonesian and has acquired citizenship of another country, who will stay will stay and settle in the territory of Indonesia

If the GCI is indeed what they claim is comparable to India’s OCI, then it far away from OCI offering in term of the requirement and the cost and benefit you will get in return.

This is the highlight of E32E (Still need a firm confirmation whether this is what they mean with GCI ??)

E32E - 5 YEARS PLUS (UNLIMITED)
Cost: IDR 34,800,000
Investment requirement

1. Statement of commitment that must be accomplished within 90 (ninety) days from the date of arrival, such as
2. Purchase Indonesian government bonds, at least US$100,000 (one hundred thousand US dollars); or
3. Purchase shares in publicly listed companies in Indonesia, at least US$100,000 (one hundred thousand US dollars); or
4. Purchase mutual funds in Indonesia, at least US$100,000 (one hundred thousand US dollars); or
5. Place funds in the form of deposits in state-owned banks, at least US$100,000 (one hundred thousand US dollars); or
6. Purchase property in the form of flats or apartments in Indonesia, at least US$1,000,000 (one million US dollars) or equivalent.

I attach information about this E32E Visa Index which is also available on eVisa website.

It is inferior offer even worse than the previous offer for instance E32C for two years with no investment requirement

 

[x799]

Question 1 will this GCI revoke all existing KITAPs and we have to apply for it instead?

Question 2 if we want to apply for Indonesian citizenship through marriage ( when fully eligible ), will it affect it negatively?

 

[pantaiema]

This is just personal opinion, for a defenitive answer please ask dirrectly to immigration.

Question 1 will this GCI revoke all existing KITAPs and we have to apply for it instead?

Typically not, Learning from previous cases.

Question 2 if we want to apply for Indonesian citizenship through marriage ( when fully eligible ), will it affect it negatively?

You could always apply for an Indonesian Citizenship through marriage with wni +meeting the residential requirement even far before this GCI is introduced.

It is not clear yet whether this E32E is actually GCI. If this is true, my understanding here is that this E32E is only for a person who was previously an Indonesian and has acquired citizenship of another country, who will stay will stay and settle in the territory of Indonesia.

What you have not explained here, why would you want to be naturalised ? Is it to get the Indonesian citizenship in the first instance and then dump your Indonesian citizenship immediately thereafter and apply for GCI as an ex-indonesian ??

 

[centurion]

Another BS.

 

[centurion]

Ok Indonesianists on the forum, you can analyze the regulation.

 

[marcus]

Question 1 will this GCI revoke all existing KITAPs and we have to apply for it instead

The Immigration Law does not allow an existing KITAP be cancelled only because a new rule/policy was introduced .

Question 2 if we want to apply for Indonesian citizenship through marriage ( when fully eligible ), will it affect it negatively?

Probably no . If it affects the Citizenship Law and/or its Regulation , I think it is more probable to affect positively instead .

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Immigration Law (UU no.6 Year 2011) - free translation
Article 62
(1) A KITAP may be terminated because :
a. its holder leaves Indonesia for more than 1 year or don't intend to return to Indonesia;
d. it is revoked by the Minister or a designated Immigration Officer;
e. its holder is deported; or ...
(2) A KITAP may be revoked because its holder :
a. committed a crime against the state as stipulated in laws and regulations;
b. carries out activities which endanger state's security;
c. violates the Integration Statement ;
d. employs foreign workers without work permits;
e. provides false information in the filing of the petition for the KITAP;
f. is subjected to a Immigration Administrative Measure, or ...

 

[dannyboy]

Ok Indonesianists on the forum, you can analyze the regulation.

And…this highly disputable pasal made a cameo again in pasal 35…

 

[marcus]

And…this highly disputable pasal made a cameo again in pasal 35…

It is from Article 61 of 2011's Immigration Law (UU no.6 Year 2011) .


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Article 35 of PerMen no.3 Year 2025 - free translation
(1) Diaspora holders of certain Stay Permits may engage in work and/or business to meet their living and/or their family needs.
(2) Diaspora as referred to in paragraph (1) includes:
a. KITAS holders for family reunification purposes for foreigners who join their Indonesian citizen spouses;
b. KITAS holders for family reunification purposes for children from a legal marriage between foreigners and Indonesians ;
c. KITAP holders for family reunification purposes for foreigners who join their Indonesian citizen spouses;
d. KITAP holders for family reunification purposes for children born from a legal marriage between foreigners and Indonesians ; or
e. KITAP holders for ex-Indonesians and former children with dual citizenship of Indonesia.

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Article 61 of UU no.6 Year 2011 - free translation

• Foreigners married to Indonesians and children of foreigners who are married to Indonesians holding KITAS ; or
• Foreigners married to Indonesians and ex-Indonesians and former children with dual citizenship of Indonesia holding KITAP :

Can work and/or do business in order to make ends meet for them and/or their family.

 

[pantaiema]

This is also from Antara. Formal news Channel from Indonesian Government

Indonesia launches GCI scheme to address dual citizenship issues

The Indonesian Ministry of Immigration and Corrections has launched the Global Citizenship of Indonesia (GCI) initiative to address challenges arising from ...

en.antaranews.com

Based on the former Minister of Law and Human Rights’ statement, Indonesia was expected to introduce a program similar to India’s OCI (Overseas Citizen of India).

Statement from the new Minister:
"Andrianto (the minister) noted that several countries implement similar systems, citing India’s Overseas Citizenship scheme as an example."

The newly launched GCI scheme (apparently introduced a few days ago) may be what they were referring to as Indonesia’s version of OCI, though this is still uncertain. I also noticed a new visa category, E32E, which matches the GCI’s description. At least I have not seen this the E32E before in eVisa website.
E32E
A person who was previously an Indonesian and has acquired citizenship of another country, who will stay will stay and settle in the territory of Indonesia

If the GCI is indeed what they claim is comparable to India’s OCI, then it far away from OCI offering in term of the requirement and the cost and benefit you will get in return.

This is the highlight of E32E (Still need a firm confirmation whether this is what they mean with GCI ??)

E32E - 5 YEARS PLUS (UNLIMITED)
Cost: IDR 34,800,000
Investment requirement

1. Statement of commitment that must be accomplished within 90 (ninety) days from the date of arrival, such as
2. Purchase Indonesian government bonds, at least US$100,000 (one hundred thousand US dollars); or
3. Purchase shares in publicly listed companies in Indonesia, at least US$100,000 (one hundred thousand US dollars); or
4. Purchase mutual funds in Indonesia, at least US$100,000 (one hundred thousand US dollars); or
5. Place funds in the form of deposits in state-owned banks, at least US$100,000 (one hundred thousand US dollars); or
6. Purchase property in the form of flats or apartments in Indonesia, at least US$1,000,000 (one million US dollars) or equivalent.

I attach information about this E32E Visa Index which is also available on eVisa website.

It is inferior offer even worse than the previous offer for instance E32C for two years with no investment requirement

"Andrianto (the current immigration minister) noted that several countries implement SIMILAR systems, citing India’s Overseas Citizenship scheme as an example"

This scheme is also advertised on Central local immigration social media. Same tone it is claimed to be SIMILAR to OCI Indian Version. it seems many Indonesian people like to comment without doing their own basic research, having a proper understanding the matter. Many people provide commendation of this scheme. People do not realise that the difference between this GCI and OCI (Indian Version) is massive in term of cost, benefit, investment requirement, etc.

Also many people do not realise that the previous offer for Ex-Indonesian available from a decade ago is much better.

 

[pantaiema]

It is from Article 61 of 2011's Immigration Law (UU no.6 Year 2011) .


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Article 35 of PerMen no.3 Year 2025 - free translation
(1) Diaspora holders of certain Stay Permits may engage in work and/or business to meet their living and/or their family needs.
(2) Diaspora as referred to in paragraph (1) includes:
a. KITAS holders for family reunification purposes for foreigners who join their Indonesian citizen spouses;
b. KITAS holders for family reunification purposes for children from a legal marriage between foreigners and Indonesians ;
c. KITAP for family reunification purposes for foreigners who join their Indonesian citizen spouses;
d. Permanent Stay Permit holders for family reunification purposes for children born into a legal marriage between foreigners and Indonesians ; or
e. KITAP holders for former Indonesian citizens and former children of dual citizenship of Indonesia.

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Article 61 of UU no.6 Year 2011 - free translation

• Foreigners married to Indonesians and children of foreigners who are married to Indonesians holding KITAS ; or
• Foreigners married to Indonesians and ex-Indonesians and former children of dual citizenship of Indonesia holding KITAP :

Can work and/or do business in order to make ends meet for them and/or their family.

The article from this immigration law is often used by some foreigners married to Indonesian Citizen to get spouse sponsored visa to justify opening a regular business, working in formal sector without a permit or licence.

They choose to ignore this clause ' .... to meet their living and/or their family needs ...'
Also they ignore the fact that there are already some evidences, people have been deported due to this.

 

[matchalatte2981]

The financial requirements are crazy high.

I suspect very few people will apply, and they would reduce the financial requirements. Wishful thinking?

 

[marcus]

... All 4 Diaspora Visas now available will become KITAS , then can be converted to the 5 years KITAP , then can be extended to time unlimited KITAP ...

Correction of what I wrote in post no.2 above : "All 4 (first in the list) Diaspora Visas ..." .

This because Immigration introduced 4 more Diaspora Visas which give KITAP instead of KITAS .

 

[marcus]

... I also noticed a new visa category, E32E, which matches the GCI’s description. At least I have not seen this the E32E before in eVisa website...

Not only 1 new visa , Immigration introduced 4 new Diaspora Visas .

Because Immigration did it very recently , I guess this is related to this "Global Citizenship of Indonesia" . But because the Immigration Law was not revised for this (as far as I know) , there is not legal 'space' to significantly change the benefits .

I took a quick look at the 4 newly introduced Diaspora Visas and saw :

• for the first time , the new Visas automatically result in (it seems , time unlimited) KITAP (not KITAS) ,
• (in my view) no additional benefit to ex-Indonesians , but may require further analysis to be sure .

 

[pantaiema]

Not only 1 new visa , Immigration introduced 4 new Diaspora Visas .

Because Immigration did it very recently , I guess this is related to this "Global Citizenship of Indonesia" . But because the Immigration Law was not revised for this (as far as I know) , there is not legal 'space' to significantly change the benefits .

I took a quick look at the 4 newly introduced Diaspora Visas and saw :

• for the first time , the new Visas automatically result in (it seems , time unlimited) KITAP (not KITAS) ,
• (in my view) no benefit to ex-Indonesians , but may require further analysis to be sure .

Which 4 new diaspora visas you are referring to ? Is it E32A, E32B, E32C, E32D or others? If it Is E32A, E32B, E32C, E32D, what people need to understand here is that this E32A-E32D were introduced last year, while this E32E diaspora visa is relatively new, probably this month,

Yes E32E is actually VITAP (Automatically become an ITAP, a permanent residence); There is no need for a transition from ITAS to ITAP. But you also need to compare the cost and benefit of what you get, the investment requirement, the fees, etc.

I herewith provide information of the E32C VITAS
https://evisa.imigrasi.go.id/front/faq/2e0e15cd-2cd0-437c-b392-b23e1ce1bc33 E32C VITAS
and E32E VITAP (attached) . So people could compare it side by side.

Here is my summary and analysis

• The fees: E32C IDR8.5m vs E32E IDR 34.8m
• Investment requirement: E32C Nil (only a guarantor) vs E32E: USD100K or USD1m (yes you read it right USD 1m if it is invested in property). Also investing in properties, only flats/apartments properties are allowed. You can not invest in a freehold, landed property. In Indonesia the IDR1m flats/apartments and other unlanded properties are extremely difficult to resell it. So literally it has no value at all. Also this is proposed in a country where people earn IDR2m+ (e.g USD200) pm is already considered as middle income spender.
• Duration and the nature: E32C: 2 years vs E32E (5yr+ UNLIMITED). Unless you are committing a crime, cannot maintain yourself, can not find a guarantor/sponsor when you are about to extend your ITAS or converting it to ITAP, theoretically the conversion from ITAS to ITAP is very easy.
• Right to work; E32C: No vs E32E - 'You could carry out activities related to work who are not in a contractual employment relationship with a company or individual in Indonesia to fulfil their personal and family'. This one is just another gimmick for those who understand well about spouse ITAS/ITAP. You also get this right with spouse ITAS/ITAP. Keep in mind this does not give you the right to work or open a business similar to the person who has a permit..

So those Ex- Indonesians, people with common sense which one you choose ??

Also before the E32C visa index was introduced last year, there were already similar scheme It was just renamed/reindexed to become E32C.

 

[pantaiema]

Since they start socialising it a while ago, also from the discussion of the minister with diaspora just a few months ago, it is claimed to be similar to OCI (Overseas Citizen of India). The fee for OCI India is just around USD285 vs IDR34.80m.
You will still find this misleading comment spread on the Central and local immigration social medias, Instagram, etc

Now have a look this OCI scheme (Indian Version), compare it with GCI and take your own conclusion

Online OCI Services

ociservices.gov.in

 

[pantaiema]

The financial requirements are crazy high.

I suspect very few people will apply, and they would reduce the financial requirements. Wishful thinking?

There are already E32A, E32B, E32C, E32D available with less investing requirement and less costly.

It is not exactly the same with E32E as this is ITAP Vs ITAS but ITAS could easily become an ITAP if you meet the residential and other requirements which for an ex-Indonesian, is very easy to comply.

 

[marcus]

Which 4 new diaspora visas you are referring to ? Is it E32A, E32B, E32C, E32D or others? ...

Others : E32E , E32F , E32G , and E32H .

 

[pantaiema]

Others : E32E , E32F , E32G , and E32H .

I just skim this E32F , E32G , and E32H and of course E32E. It seems to me, it is just another gimmick. It is the mirror of E33 Visa index (golden Visa). The difference between E32 Vs E33, is that this E32 visa index is specifically designed for the Ex-Indonesian. But they have a quite similar requirement. Also, with E32 Visa Index You get VITAP (5yr+ Unlimited) outright vs 5 years for E33 visa Index which IMO it hardly adds any additional value. The comparison in the post #16 is still applicable apart from the value of investment requirement.

In term of value for Ex-Indonesians, same as E32E, that I have pointed in Post #16, it is worse than the previous offer.

People who promote this to be similar/comparable to OCI (Indian version) should be ashamed, as they are not anywhere near.