Dual nationality for children born before 1st August 2006

[sumyunggai]

http://ditjenpp.kemenkumham.go.id/arsip/bn/2016/bn1938-2016.pdf

According to the regulation:

Article 5:

1) Applicants who claim Indonesian nationality according to Article 2(1) [Dual Nationality] are

(a) Children born before 1st August 2006 with a Ministerial Decision regarding Indonesian nationality
(b) Children born after 1st August 2006 with an Affidavit

So those on/after 1st August 2006 have a straightforward path, those before 1st August 2006 should have registered by a cut-off date that isn't important as it's long since passed.

Immigration say http://www.singaraja.imigrasi.go.id/kewarganegaraan-ganda-affidavit

"those born before 1st August 2006 who didn't register must have an immigration permit"

However this may not be consistently applied within Indonesian itself:

https://cpps.ugm.ac.id/en/kependudukan-kewarganegaraan-ganda-sarat-problem-2/

"”Anak yang lahir sebelum 2006 dan belum mengurus surat keputusan status kewarganegaraan gandanya, kami anggap mereka WNA, sementara Direktorat Administrasi Hukum Umum memberikan mereka status warga negara ganda,” ujar Yudi."

 

[snpark]

That article is 2 years old, make sure rules not updated since?

 

[jstar]

They're lucky then if they forgot.

 

[jstar]

Talking about 'hiding' the dual citizenship: It's not diffiduclt to do so (no endorsement!) but also not difficult to screw up. What I've seen now in my extended f-i-l; they forgot to apply for a visa for a country where they made an in between stop since it was not necessary with the foreign passport. The Indonesian immigration asked where the visa was in the Indonesian passport. Oops.

 

[nd_eric_77]

Talking about 'hiding' the dual citizenship: It's not diffiduclt to do so (no endorsement!) but also not difficult to screw up. What I've seen now in my extended f-i-l; they forgot to apply for a visa for a country where they made an in between stop since it was not necessary with the foreign passport. The Indonesian immigration asked where the visa was in the Indonesian passport. Oops.

My mate got around this by saying that he went to S'pore and then to Israel... Israeli visas are (or at least used to be) stamped on a separate piece of paper so the passport does not have a record of the person having entered Israel after one leaves. Apparently, an Israeli visa in one's passport can get one denied entry into certain countries, hence the policy.

 

[nd_eric_77]

As for the OP's question, my family and I have dealt with both pre-2006 and post-2006 kiddos. Getting dual nationality for my daughter (born in 2005) was a hassle which involved an expensive fee to the Houston consulate (KJRI) and about a 3-month wait for the initial passport (we applied in 2006; I think we were in some sort of grace period). My son (born in 2008) had a much easier process. We just filled out the documents, paid a much lower fee, and had passport in hand 2 weeks later.
Renewing passports for each of the kids is the same process as renewing any other Indonesian passport; dual nationality does not affect the procedure at all.

 

[dafluff]

Talking about 'hiding' the dual citizenship: It's not diffiduclt to do so (no endorsement!) but also not difficult to screw up. What I've seen now in my extended f-i-l; they forgot to apply for a visa for a country where they made an in between stop since it was not necessary with the foreign passport. The Indonesian immigration asked where the visa was in the Indonesian passport. Oops.

This is going to be more of a problem going forward as immigration officers are more aware of these things now. Also many countries (eg. Canada and US) require their dual nationals to enter on the countries passport. So for example, if you have US and Indo citizenship, and you can't really hide the fact that you entered the US on a US passport if you travel to the US.

 

[nd_eric_77]

This is going to be more of a problem going forward as immigration officers are more aware of these things now. Also many countries (eg. Canada and US) require their dual nationals to enter on the countries passport. So for example, if you have US and Indo citizenship, and you can't really hide the fact that you entered the US on a US passport if you travel to the US.

That is where the phantom Israel trip comes in to play... Exit CGK on Indo pp. Enter SIN on Indo pp. Exit SIN on Indo pp. Travel to "Israel" while actually using secondary country PP to go to SYD (or anywhere else). Use secondary PP to exit SYD and go to SIN. Enter SIN on Indo PP. Exit SIN on Indo PP. Arrive back at CGK with a Visa gap which would only be noticed by a particularly zealous examination of Indo PP. If confronted, the gap is explained by the (fictitious) trip to TLV. "Where is the paper with your entry & exit from TLV?" "I trashed it and all other evidence of the trip in case I get confronted about it when I fly to meet business associates in RUH."

 

[dafluff]

That is where the phantom Israel trip comes in to play... Exit CGK on Indo pp. Enter SIN on Indo pp. Exit SIN on Indo pp. Travel to "Israel" while actually using secondary country PP to go to SYD (or anywhere else). Use secondary PP to exit SYD and go to SIN. Enter SIN on Indo PP. Exit SIN on Indo PP. Arrive back at CGK with a Visa gap which would only be noticed by a particularly zealous examination of Indo PP. If confronted, the gap is explained by the (fictitious) trip to TLV. "Where is the paper with your entry & exit from TLV?" "I trashed it and all other evidence of the trip in case I get confronted about it when I fly to meet business associates in RUH."

Where is your ticket? Booking? E-mail? Etc etc.... doesn't seem like imigrasi would have any problem discerning a fake Israel trip...

 

[nd_eric_77]

Where is your ticket? Booking? E-mail? Etc etc.... doesn't seem like imigrasi would have any problem discerning a fake Israel trip...

Nor would Saudi immigration, which is why a traveler can plausibly explain having destroyed all evidence (tickets, bookings, emails, etc) of a trip to Israel.

 

[jstar]

In Taiwan for instance, you get an entry stamp, but esp if you leave via the e-gate, no more exit stamp. Just a separate sticker. (There are more airports where they omit the exit stamp.)

You can imagine if you return a couple of months later via Singapore or so, there is no trace where you have been. According to the RI passport, you could have been in Taiwan that whole time.

 

[Daniel50]

In Taiwan for instance, you get an entry stamp, but esp if you leave via the e-gate, no more exit stamp. Just a separate sticker. (There are more airports where they omit the exit stamp.)

You can imagine if you return a couple of months later via Singapore or so, there is no trace where you have been. According to the RI passport, you could have been in Taiwan that whole time.

Yes and what if someone, or their belongings, were ever searched and they found 2 passports? Then what are the possibilities?

 

[atlantis]

Yes and what if someone, or their belongings, were ever searched and they found 2 passports? Then what are the possibilities?

If two passports are found, a procedure of revocation of Indonesian citizenship may be started. Well, that's the theory and usually happens only if a case become viral (look for Arcandra Tahar on google). You have more chance to be asked to pay a hefty fine, especially if you are chinese or doesn't know how to handle the situation.

 

[jstar]

In this particular case, the person was not even 18 yet. So there was a laconically reaction “ah dual citizenship”. Of course they’re concerned that it got flagged in the system or so.