Diaspora Visa

[dannyboy]

https://kemenkumham.go.id/berita-utama/pemerintah-siapkan-aturan-yang-mudahkan-diaspora-indonesia-kembali-ke-tanah-air

Any thoughts? Sounds like it is quite serious now...

 

[jstar]

With a PP not that difficult to implement. And copy and steal 80% of the Indian solution.

Hopefully this won’t happen:

India: Authorities Revoke Visa Privileges of Diaspora Critics

Indian authorities are revoking visa privileges to overseas critics of Indian origin who have spoken out against the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP)-led government’s policies, Human Rights Watch said today.

www.hrw.org

But in my eyes it won’t really reverse the brain drain. Perhaps it gets even worse; “now I can become Singaporean/American/ Australian/German/… since I can still keep my ties to the country”. Who cares about voting? Of course land ownership will always remain a big issue.

 

[pantaiema]

A discussion on this topic is already underway in this thread:

https://www.expatindo.org/community...citizenship-borderless-travel-etc.7262/page-4

Generally, they aim to implement a system similar to the Overseas Citizen of India (OCI) program. However, Luhut Pandjaitan, the Coordinating Minister for Maritime Affairs and Investment, has made misleading and incorrect statements mentioning dual citizenship:

https://www.thejakartapost.com/indo...o-attract-overseas-workers-minister-says.html

He might not understand that to implement dual citizenship, Indonesia would need to amend its citizenship law, UU No. 12/2006. Any changes must be presented to and approved by parliament; the president or a minister cannot issue regulations or instructions that contradict the existing law. Additionally, dual citizenship might be very fundamental as it would conflict with the historic "Youth Pledge (Sumpah Pemuda)", the foundation of Indonesian nationalism, in which they vowed to recognize only one Indonesian motherland, one Indonesian people, and one Indonesian language.

 

[dannyboy]

Thanks for the reference to the other thread, based on that video, it sounds like that a new PP regarding OCI is coming very close to be released. We shall wait and see what it really is…I personally don’t mind not having political rights but the thorny issue is always about property and working permit.

Interesting that pak Menteri seems to avoid the work right question during the qna (unintentionally?)

 

[Banana72]

Thanks for the reference to the other thread, based on that video, it sounds like that a new PP regarding OCI is coming very close to be released. We shall wait and see what it really is…I personally don’t mind not having political rights but the thorny issue is always about property and working permit.

Interesting that pak Menteri seems to avoid the work right question during the qna (unintentionally?)

Yep same here. Property and the (no) need for work permit are the two main things for me too.

 

[pantaiema]

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Interesting that pak Menteri seems to avoid the work right question during the qna (unintentionally?)

Yep same here. Property and the (no) need for work permit are the two main things for me too.

AFAIK, if Indonesia's version of OCI (Overseas Citizenship of India) is fully on par with India's OCI, both of these aspects are allowed. However, there are certainly some jobs are restricted to only to Indian citizen.
Regarding property ownership rights, as far as I know, OCIs can purchase residential and commercial properties in India including lands. However, they are not permitted to purchase agricultural land, including farmland or any type of plantation property.

 

[dannyboy]

Planned diaspora visa program will be continued by next minister: Yasonna - Society - The Jakarta Post

Yasonna Laoly, on his last day in office as law and human rights minister on Monday, said his predecessor should ensure the success of the Overseas Citizenship of Indonesia (OCI) visa plan, underlining that the inclusion of the Indonesian diaspora community was key to ensuring Indonesia’s...

www.thejakartapost.com

 

[xindo]

Diaspora Visa is meaningless.

The Golden Visas for ex wni mean nothing but for people with money.
1 year E32D visa, you must invest $15K
5 years E32A visa, you must invest $35K
2 years E32C visa, still unclear how much money you need to invest

are you able to find a job and working with one of those visas? Unclear.

So what’s the point of those visas for repatriation ?

There are 3 types of ex-wni :
1. Those who never want to live in indo again
2. Those who want to get their citizenship back and live in indo again
3. Those who want dual citizenship

Gov should provide proper regulation for each type of ex-wni (if they really care about their people regardless of the status of their citizenship).

I don’t have $35k laying around. Even if I have that money, why would i use it to get a visa that is still unclear if I am allowed to open a business or work ?

Again, each Visa doesn’t have clarity. Just get ready with the “pungli”

For now, I’ll just use VOA to travel to Indo.
Maybe when I’m retired, I’ll use one those VISAs.

 

[pantaiema]

Diaspora Visa is meaningless.

The Golden Visas for ex wni mean nothing but for people with money.
1 year E32D visa, you must invest $15K
5 years E32A visa, you must invest $35K
2 years E32C visa, still unclear how much money you need to invest

are you able to find a job and working with one of those visas? Unclear.

So what’s the point of those visas for repatriation ?

There are 3 types of ex-wni :
1. Those who never want to live in indo again
2. Those who want to get their citizenship back and live in indo again
3. Those who want dual citizenship

Gov should provide proper regulation for each type of ex-wni (if they really care about their people regardless of the status of their citizenship).

I don’t have $35k laying around. Even if I have that money, why would i use it to get a visa that is still unclear if I am allowed to open a business or work ?

Again, each Visa doesn’t have clarity. Just get ready with the “pungli”

For now, I’ll just use VOA to travel to Indo.
Maybe when I’m retired, I’ll use one those VISAs.

In addtion to 1-3 you have mentioned above, I will add this.
4. Who still hold two passports, Indonesian and other foreign passport, how they manage to do this, it is not the topic of the discussion in this open forum.

Regarding the second point (2), as far as I know, this issue mostly arises when people are publicly caught holding two passports. There has been several cases like this in the past.

Another related to Indonesian nationality issue here is that, the youngest son of the current president who in the past faced criticism for traveling to the U.S. in a private jet; His wife, who is currently pregnant, is allegedly planning to give birth in the U.S. to take advantage of the well-known "anchor baby" loophole, which would allow the parents to potentially claim U.S. citizenship in the future when needed through their children.

None of the visas mentioned above grant the right to work as an Indonesian citizen would. Even with the E32A visa, which requires a US$35k investment, you can only engage in work-related activities if they are reported to Immigration using the 'multiple activity reporting process'. This is connected to IMTA and RPTKA, meaning you still need a work permit to work in Indonesia. There is still a residential labour market test. The key differences between E32A, E32C, and E32D are the required investment amounts, duration, and whether a guarantor is needed.

Unlike the E32A and E32D visas, the E32C visa does not have an investment requirement, but it does require a guarantor and must be renewed every two years. I find the E32C to be quite similar to the previous provisions for Ex-Indonesians.

IMHO E32A and E32D are essentially redundant and unnecessary. For ex-Indonesians, it is extreme unlikely if they did not have family, relatives, or close friends who could act as their guarantor. Only someone naive would choose E32A or E32D if an easier option exists. This is yet another example of how these products can be easily introduced (or withdrawn) without thorough consideration.

 

[jstar]

Another related to Indonesian nationality issue here is that, the youngest son of the current president who in the past faced criticism for traveling to the U.S. in a private jet; His wife, who is currently pregnant, is allegedly planning to give birth in the U.S. to take advantage of the well-known "anchor baby" loophole, which would allow the parents to potentially claim U.S. citizenship in the future when needed through their children.

It even gets worse; the 27 (?) year old wife is born in the USA herself. There is no proof whatsoever that she ever gave up the American citizenship. Of course this is all covered up.

And officially she is going to study to Pennsylvania -her place of birth- on a scholarship. A scholarship?! I guess she needed the financial support

 

[pantaiema]

It even gets worse; the 27 (?) year old wife is born in the USA herself. There is no proof whatsoever that she ever gave up the American citizenship. Of course this is all covered up.

And officially she is going to study to Pennsylvania -her place of birth- on a scholarship. A scholarship?! I guess she needed the financial support

The fact that Erina was born in Pennsylvania is publicly known. There has been no public statement or evidence suggesting that she ever renounced her U.S. citizenship. According to a U.S. Supreme Court ruling, a person born as a U.S. citizen cannot lose their nationality unless they voluntarily and intentionally renounce it.

As the daughter-in-law of the current president, with the ability to travel to the U.S. by private jet, it's clear she doesn't need a scholarship to attend university. However, securing a partial scholarship from an Ivy League institution could serve as evidence that she is exceptional and far from an average Indonesian. She might be even much smarter than her husband.

Each year, the Indonesian government offers around 7,000 fully funded scholarships, known as LPDP, to talented Indonesian students for studying abroad. This is a "fully funded" scholarship, unlike the partial one she received. If she wanted to, I believe she could easily secure this scholarship through a combination of brain and influence. However, the LPDP requires recipients to return and work in Indonesia, and she may prefer more flexibility for her family future, avoiding this condition. Additionally, the scholarship amount may be relatively small for her family standard.