Deportation and revoke blacklist

[atlantis]

But charging RP 1.000.000 a day penalty seems excessive to me!

Prior to 2019 an overstay was sanctioned by a fine of Rp 200.000 / day.

Back then it wasn’t rare to hear foreigners saying something like “oh! I’ll have to overstay [add the number of days you wish] days, no problem I’ll pay the fine at the airport”. Overstaying was definitely taken lightly by many, almost like it was a legal possibility offered. Obviously, the fine wasn’t serving its purpose as a deterrent and was very lightly serving its purpose as a punitive measure. I know several people who were regularly overstaying, because it was convenient for them, and were just paying the fine while exiting Indonesia.

As an immigrant I have always tried to consider what I was expecting from immigrants when I was still residing in my native country and I have tried to apply these expectations I had to my own conduct here. Not overstaying and respecting the law was part of them, and therefore, despite the fact that I sometimes had to go through some pretty burdensome procedures to extent my izin tinggal, I’ve managed to stay without a single day of overstay for 25 years. I am sure that many other immigrants here have done the same.

Since the Indonesian Government increased the fine to an amount of Rp 1.000.000 a day, the number of overstayers as soared, at least if I believe the acquaintances I still have at my local Immigration office and RuTen. It's true that in the past 5 years I have heard only 1 of my foreign friends or acquaintances being in this position.

I don’t care if Rp 1.000.000 / day is fair, too much or too little. Overstay should not happen unless extraordinary circumstances arise and force someone to be on overstay. Not having the time or not having the money is certainly not an extraordinary circumstance.

Indonesia has done tremendous efforts to improve it’s immigration regulations and procedures. It’s probably far from being perfect but it’s not a reason not to respect the law and I have no pity for those who have to deal with a monetary sanction, whatever it is, if they consider that they can ignore the law.
I wouldn’t pity an immigrant in my native country who is fined and deported for not having respected the law. Why would I think differently here?

 

[Shadrach]

Prior to 2019 an overstay was sanctioned by a fine of Rp 200.000 / day.

Back then it wasn’t rare to hear foreigners saying something like “oh! I’ll have to overstay [add the number of days you wish] days, no problem I’ll pay the fine at the airport”. Overstaying was definitely taken lightly by many, almost like it was a legal possibility offered. Obviously, the fine wasn’t serving its purpose as a deterrent and was very lightly serving its purpose as a punitive measure. I know several people who were regularly overstaying, because it was convenient for them, and were just paying the fine while exiting Indonesia.

As an immigrant I have always tried to consider what I was expecting from immigrants when I was still residing in my native country and I have tried to apply these expectations I had to my own conduct here. Not overstaying and respecting the law was part of them, and therefore, despite the fact that I sometimes had to go through some pretty burdensome procedures to extent my izin tinggal, I’ve managed to stay without a single day of overstay for 25 years. I am sure that many other immigrants here have done the same.

Since the Indonesian Government increased the fine to an amount of Rp 1.000.000 a day, the number of overstayers as soared, at least if I believe the acquaintances I still have at my local Immigration office and RuTen. It's true that in the past 5 years I have heard only 1 of my foreign friends or acquaintances being in this position.

I don’t care if Rp 1.000.000 / day is fair, too much or too little. Overstay should not happen unless extraordinary circumstances arise and force someone to be on overstay. Not having the time or not having the money is certainly not an extraordinary circumstance.

Indonesia has done tremendous efforts to improve it’s immigration regulations and procedures. It’s probably far from being perfect but it’s not a reason not to respect the law and I have no pity for those who have to deal with a monetary sanction, whatever it is, if they consider that they can ignore the law.
I wouldn’t pity an immigrant in my native country who is fined and deported for not having respected the law. Why would I think differently here?

I thought that was the fine a long time ago. I was just getting confused with the exit tax. Probably the reason the overstayers have soar is there are many more visitors. I don't worry about it more either. I decided to live here. But I definitely renew my visa on time every year. I don't want to do anything to make trouble with immigration. I'm lucky enough that now I can slow down, and live off a pension, so I don't have to go back for work anymore.
I don't think a fine for overstaying should be a form of making profit though!