Cryptocurrencies

I read the same articular by the CEO of up Morgan. My take on it was he was trashing something his company has no levage over. Now I'm not as smart , rich or as mature as davita is and I'll have to live with that.
I have a big mistrust in the banking and investment world. During the last big almost collapse of the economy where the banks and auto companies got bailed out by the government. The only people that got hurt were people like my mom whos pension fund was hit hard. A year later jp Morgan and Goldman Sachs were paying out obscene bonus to them shelfs as my mom's life savings (she's 83) lost more than 30 percent of its value.

So do I trust these companies and their insatiable greed ? FUCK NO
 
Interesting observation Steve...how did your mum lose 30% of value of her pension and who's at fault...I'd sure like to know how that happened.

I could have a similar complaint. Some people convinced the voters in UK to exit EU and the next day my UK OAP dropped because the GBP was effectively devalued.....but I'm a realist and understood it was my choice to live abroad....and that was a consequence.
Fortunately, I had also created my own private pension plan which was diversified sufficient to avoid the risk of currency fluctuations.

You may not like Capitalism.....but what's the alternative and who do you trust to advance our economic welfare?
Politicians? Like Putin who's reputed to be the richest man on the planet.
Bernie Madoff? I wont say anything here in case it offends...:becky:
Pope Francis?...He's Numero 266 and every one before him told Catholics they would eliminate poverty. He recently went to Brazil and made the same tired pledge. The driver of his pope-mobile laughed so much he lost control of the vehicle and the Pope bumped his face...:doh:

How else can start-up companies get capital to create some of the great technical advances the world has seen since 1945 and before.
Who will take the risk to provide new and safer aircraft, cars, hi-speed trains, cellphones, medical research, agriculture, education, pharmaceuticals...and how did cryptocurrencies get momentum.
All of the above are created by the insatiable greed of investors....:thumb:
 
The point of decentralised currency is that it is transparent & it is not trusted to any 1 being/body of beings.
 
Let's be fair...JP Morgan did NOT buy bitcoins.
But buying notes tied to the value of Bitcoin is taking a position that they believe Bitcoin is legitimate and undervalued, is it not?
 
But buying notes tied to the value of Bitcoin is taking a position that they believe Bitcoin is legitimate and undervalued, is it not?
I really don't know enough about exchange traded notes (ETN) to answer your question. It could be the notes make money whether the coin goes up OR down in value. Many Companies seem to favor those ETN's over actually holding Bitcoins.

Financial Companies invest in everything but are required to specify what constitutes their portfolio before selling to the public.

I was happy to have invested in JP Morgan's Eu Smaller Co's Equity Fund as it made me a handsome profit and balanced my diminishing UK pension.
 
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I had a note this morning from an American friend:

"Bitcoins are down 20% since I bought in. My $500 is now worth $400. I will "wait and see"

So does the canny Bitcoin buyer rush in now and buy more while they are down or like my friend, wait and see?"

It seems most international finance systems work on the basis of day to day confidence. I recall when the Global Economic Crisis took hold I was told within days at my local bank that some people were looking to withdraw their savings. The then new Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd announced that the government would back the banks and forestalled any rush on the banks. But it seems to say something that our banking systems are so fragile. As for Bitcoins I am part of the herd that feels reassured when some says the whole Bitcoin thing is a fraud but then worry that I am missing out by not buying some.

Are there Bitcoin hedge funds so that if I bought some I can have a guarantee of winning if I were losing? (And why do people want to buy hedges anyway? Wouldn't rose bushes be a better investment?)
 
A canny buyer would have bought last week when it was way down :D
 
This is for davita. Frist all I appecatie your insights. Your insights come from transfers of 100,000 pounds where im coming from is 1000 u.s. dollar transfers and small investment.
Now you ask how my mum lost 30 percent of her pension... well it happened to a whole lot of working class people in 2008. She was retired living on the equity of her pension . In a period of a month her pension drop in value by over 27 percent , which was common even with a conservtive portfolio. Her house payments , electric, car payment didn't change so she had to take more from her principal. She didn't have the luxury to try to ride it out as a younger person could. She also had a decent investment in general motors common stock which her broker told her " what could be any safer" . General motors restructure its debt by canceling the common stock and paying out 30 cents on the dollar. Oh by the way in 2009 the CEO got a 12 million dollar bonus last year the CEO got 29.8 million dollar bonus. My mom played the vet bill for her dying dog with my help.

Now I have a question for you why oh why do you question all of my post about money. I'm no expert understand I'm just passing on stuff that has affect me and someone else might be able to use.

By the way that was rhetorical !
 
This is for davita. Frist all I appecatie your insights. Your insights come from transfers of 100,000 pounds where im coming from is 1000 u.s. dollar transfers and small investment.
Now you ask how my mum lost 30 percent of her pension... well it happened to a whole lot of working class people in 2008. She was retired living on the equity of her pension . In a period of a month her pension drop in value by over 27 percent , which was common even with a conservtive portfolio. Her house payments , electric, car payment didn't change so she had to take more from her principal. She didn't have the luxury to try to ride it out as a younger person could. She also had a decent investment in general motors common stock which her broker told her " what could be any safer" . General motors restructure its debt by canceling the common stock and paying out 30 cents on the dollar. Oh by the way in 2009 the CEO got a 12 million dollar bonus last year the CEO got 29.8 million dollar bonus. My mom played the vet bill for her dying dog with my help.

Now I have a question for you why oh why do you question all of my post about money. I'm no expert understand I'm just passing on stuff that has affect me and someone else might be able to use.

By the way that was rhetorical !

I'm not being disrespectful but you made the statement about your mum's pension losing 30% and I asked what kind of pension are we talking about and who was to blame.
I thought you referred to the USA Social Security Pension, similar to the UK OAP plan, and couldn't understand how that lost 30% of value and asked for clarification.
BTW the title of this thread is Cryptocurrencies. Very much a conversation about money...what else!

I'm sorry about the dog.
 
I've read all the posts in this thread, and have a couple things to suggest for consideration for those venturing into blockchain currencies (CryptoCurrencies). They are the rage all over the world, and at the moment if you can time things correctly, make real profits through their inherent volatility and demand. The primary reason for their growth is demand, and the implied limits of supply is due to the complexity of creating the blockchain and other reasons.

There are some things to think about, and some of these have already been discussed:

1. Will extreme volatility cause you to buy high and sell low - need to be careful on timing the transaction?
2. Will new blockchains reduce demand for the blockchain you are holding?
3. Will the new blockchain you've bought into, ever or never grow in demand?
4. Will there come a time when too many blockchains have diluted the available demand?
5. Will countries start banning the use of blockchains for purchase of items, or conversion to cash - as noted with China's recent move?
6. Will government agencies start carefully tracing all identities of those who've converted cash into blockchains or vice-versa?
7. Will government agencies figure out a way to decrypt, block, or otherwise invalidate blockchain transactions?

The seventh item is one that recently captured my attention. Specifically, I've been following with much interest the new development of Quantum Computers. Without going into an involved conversation about quantum mechanics, and the elaborate complexities of how these systems operate, it goes without saying that these computers are beyond anything we've ever seen. They work on very specialized problems that regular computers cannot touch - like hacking secure hash algorithms (SHA) as one example. With a 256 bit SHA, the most advanced non-quantum super-computer in the world, would take a long time, maybe hundreds of years to solve. A quantum computer may be able to crack this in less than a day - maybe hours. There have been rumors that the NSA already have installed quantum computers (like D-Wave or IBM Q), and are working on this currently. Thanks to their creators, there are a lot of safeguards in blockchains. However, what if these government agencies can crack the code in all these safeguards in a reasonable amount of time? Then what happens if central banks of these government agencies find these currencies detrimental to their control? There are many other reasons why cracking these codes is something to consider for the future of something like bitcoin, ethereum or LiteCoin.

It was with great interest that I found a recent article that Russian scientists were working on a way to secure blockchains from the quantum computer "threat".

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/...cured-blockchain-technology-tested-in-moscow/

I'm generally not a conspiracy theorist, but the above article tells me that it's "game-on" in the world of blockchains and cryptocurrencies. My opinion is that it's only a matter of time until the so-called "deep state" government agencies can quickly identify someone making transactions with bitcoin or other cryptocurrency. The reason for the extreme growth (i.e. demand) is varied, but the primary reason overall is to hide transactions from governments. I've read stories about mega-wealthy Chinese business people, converting millions or billions of Yuan into BTC, skipping the country, and popping up as millionaires in other parts of the world. Apparently the Chinese government doesn't like this idea. Then there are all the really bad sorts of people on the dark web, transacting lots of crazy and very illegal things for bitcoin. These are just examples of why governments are highly motivated to control blockchains, and quantum computers may provide them a way to do just that.
 
Speculating in currencies, any of them, is a fool's game. Keep in mind that reward and risk are inseparable.
 
Life is a fools game in general Waarmie.
Doesn't mean we can't have a bit of fun.
It it doesn't hurt to keep up to date with what is going on with technology.


Chiron, totes agree.
Everything at risk of the next wave of technology & whilst technology constantly changes. the basics in life don't.
Quantum computing will change the ball game again.
& whatever comes after that will change it again, that is how life works. But for the here & now it is fun to dabble and it has been a great way to learn.
 
Hi rember swing in a film the hero saying, If you don't speculate you won't accumulate,
 
I know nothing of bit coins but holders be advised Mr Pudgy is stealing them According to Fireye a cyber security company the North Koreans are stealing them, it appears they are desperate for cash, and will steal anything
 
I know nothing of bit coins but holders be advised Mr Pudgy is stealing them According to Fireye a cyber security company the North Koreans are stealing them, it appears they are desperate for cash, and will steal anything

Yeah no surprise here, NK hackers are probably going after regular bank accounts/credit cards too.
 
Don't worry everybody...President Trump already tweeted that previous Presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama couldn't solve the problem of North Korea but ...he will!
 

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