BPJS registration for Widowed WNA Kitap holders .

[Nicho]

Been through the hoops again , registered for the BPJS yesterday as Perserta Mandiri ( Independant Participant -Member) on the Whatsapp-Pandawa link , all went well until I got a reply to come to the office for further validation of residency . Went up to the Banyuwangi office this morning with my full 6 inch thick file and handed over copies of Passport , Kitap Seumur Hidup , KTP and KK Mandiri , Sponsors KTP , KK and the original Surat Alhi Penjamin from the sponsor change when my wife/previous sponsor died . All my deceased wife's documents , KTP ,KK , Buku Nikah , Akta Kematian . Sat for 1 hour waiting only to be told I wasn't entitled to membership as I no longer had an Immediate family member as my wife had died and In Laws do not qualify as immediate family ! Yet there able to step up as sponsor /penjamin for your visa when your spouse/sponsor dies . The only way I could have joined is if we had a child , I would then have to go through the hassle of cancelling my KK Mandiri and apply to be added to there KK as a dependant . I was also told that Kitap holders who no longer had Immediate family members due to there spouse/sponsors death would have there BPJS membership cancelled . This includes Retirement Kitap holders . They also say that it is mandatory for all Kitap holders to be registered in the BPJS system under indonesian law . yet there refusing membership and cancelling long term members because of the death of spouse /sponsors !! Did the same idiot who implemented the automatic Self Sponsorship rule for Kitap holders when ther spouse/sponsor dies but forgot to inform any offices or officers resulting in Kitap holders being told it was a system error because the 2 systems don't communicate with each other also implement this rule . None of the government departments system seem to be linked for easy access , verification of laws/ rules/ visa holders details etc . It's every man for himself , my rules , your rules , our rules ! And where the ones who cop the flack when there 's a F--k up . 6 months for a sponsor change , 3 mistakes with new Ktp and KK . now this shit .

 

[Bad_azz]

Been through the hoops again , registered for the BPJS yesterday as Perserta Mandiri ( Independant Participant -Member) on the Whatsapp-Pandawa link , all went well until I got a reply to come to the office for further validation of residency . Went up to the Banyuwangi office this morning with my full 6 inch thick file and handed over copies of Passport , Kitap Seumur Hidup , KTP and KK Mandiri , Sponsors KTP , KK and the original Surat Alhi Penjamin from the sponsor change when my wife/previous sponsor died . All my deceased wife's documents , KTP ,KK , Buku Nikah , Akta Kematian . Sat for 1 hour waiting only to be told I wasn't entitled to membership as I no longer had an Immediate family member as my wife had died and In Laws do not qualify as immediate family ! Yet there able to step up as sponsor /penjamin for your visa when your spouse/sponsor dies . The only way I could have joined is if we had a child , I would then have to go through the hassle of cancelling my KK Mandiri and apply to be added to there KK as a dependant . I was also told that Kitap holders who no longer had Immediate family members due to there spouse/sponsors death would have there BPJS membership cancelled . This includes Retirement Kitap holders . They also say that it is mandatory for all Kitap holders to be registered in the BPJS system under indonesian law . yet there refusing membership and cancelling long term members because of the death of spouse /sponsors !! Did the same idiot who implemented the automatic Self Sponsorship rule for Kitap holders when ther spouse/sponsor dies but forgot to inform any offices or officers resulting in Kitap holders being told it was a system error because the 2 systems don't communicate with each other also implement this rule . None of the government departments system seem to be linked for easy access , verification of laws/ rules/ visa holders details etc . It's every man for himself , my rules , your rules , our rules ! And where the ones who cop the flack when there 's a F--k up . 6 months for a sponsor change , 3 mistakes with new Ktp and KK . now this shit .

Aww Nicho, you really have been through all the hoops and then some. Sending hugs.
I recently had a message from BPJS asking if I was still on an eligible visa.
I pointed out I had been WNI for past 6 years. They responded with: Ah ok, sorry to bother you I will check into it.
I tried to pay my monthly fee this past week and it said I was already paid up and yet hubby's fee was doubled.
I just figured they have amalgamated us to the same number but I don't feel easy about it, as they never informed me that would happen. The 'joys' of bureaucracy.

 

[Hawk256]

The only way I know of for a married, non working person to get BPJS is to be added through their spouse. If you try to sign up any other way it will be rejected. Seems like that is spilling over into your situation.

 

[Nicho]

The only way I know of for a married, non working person to get BPJS is to be added through their spouse. If you try to sign up any other way it will be rejected. Seems like that is spilling over into your situation.

New rules/laws recently introduced , the system now does not recognize a widowed wna Kitap seumur hidup holder , it won't accept an application unless you have an immediate Indonesian family link , a spouse which unfortunately I no longer have , when it sees no family link it then assumes you are a foreign worker and wants Man Power documents . Heading back to the office with a letter drafted by a friend who works for a Notary detailing my predicament also detailing my residency status , marital status , work status , sponsor change , Ktp and KK mandiri changes etc etc and quoting the official rules /laws of the BPJS and Presidential regulations which both state I am entitled to be registered and it is mandatory for all expats both kitas and kitap holders to be by Indonesian Law if we've been here longer than 6 months . Fingers crossed ! Seems immigration is not the only Government department where they update rules/laws , don't advise any one or update there computer systems . Immigration run 2 systems that don't communicate or share data , The E-Visa system we're stuck with and there internal SIMKIM system .

 

[Nicho]

Aww Nicho, you really have been through all the hoops and then some. Sending hugs.
I recently had a message from BPJS asking if I was still on an eligible visa.
I pointed out I had been WNI for past 6 years. They responded with: Ah ok, sorry to bother you I will check into it.
I tried to pay my monthly fee this past week and it said I was already paid up and yet hubby's fee was doubled.
I just figured they have amalgamated us to the same number but I don't feel easy about it, as they never informed me that would happen. The 'joys' of bureaucracy.

I'm sure they make it hard just to test our resolve . If they contact you asking that they might be starting the review process I mentioned in my original post . Been a long haul with all the Legal changes after the wife's death , sponsor change problems , Ktp and KK changes/incorrect data entered , all because of officers not knowing current rules/laws and over riding the system causing lock outs . Seems the same with the BPJS office , young girl about 18 trying to process an application she has probably never seen before and using old rules to solve the problem . Rejecting my application ! Thought I'd jumped though all the hoops and could finally relax Ha Ha , not a chance . Australian aged pension to sort out early next year , could be a trip back to OZ and possibly a 2 year stay if they hit me with the 2 year portability rule for epats that have been out of the country for a long period and live in a country with no social security agreement with Australia . Thanks for the support , comments etc , means a lot when your doing this alone . Cheers .

 

[snpark]

How much are you paying for your BJPS

 

[harryopal1]

I'm sure they make it hard just to test our resolve . If they contact you asking that they might be starting the review process I mentioned in my original post . Been a long haul with all the Legal changes after the wife's death , sponsor change problems , Ktp and KK changes/incorrect data entered , all because of officers not knowing current rules/laws and over riding the system causing lock outs . Seems the same with the BPJS office , young girl about 18 trying to process an application she has probably never seen before and using old rules to solve the problem . Rejecting my application ! Thought I'd jumped though all the hoops and could finally relax Ha Ha , not a chance . Australian aged pension to sort out early next year , could be a trip back to OZ and possibly a 2 year stay if they hit me with the 2 year portability rule for epats that have been out of the country for a long period and live in a country with no social security agreement with Australia . Thanks for the support , comments etc , means a lot when your doing this alone . Cheers .

According to Services Australia if you return to Australia genuinely intending to resume living here.
You can apply for the Age Pension immediately, provided you meet the normal eligibility requirements.

1. If your pension is granted and you leave Australia again within two years of resuming Australian residence, your pension generally cannot be paid while you are overseas.
2. Once you have resumed Australian residence for two years, normal overseas portability rules apply.

Another factor is how long you lived in Australia if you are not Australian born. Generally you have to have lived in Australia for 10 years and with 5 years continuous residence. If you feel a need to call Centrelink for clarification regarding any issues you can expect something like at least 30 minutes before you get an answer. I would suggest you sign up for Zadarma if you want to make calls. You start with an initial credit of say $10 which is not time dependent so you do not need to top up until you have dropped below $5. Your calls to Australia from Indonesia are then rated at the Australian rate so it does not cost you an arm and a leg for the long waits for Centrelink to answer.

If you get the Aus aged pension you also get Medicare which is an important fall back for returning to Australia in the event of a serious medical concern. While there are no doubt excellent services can be found here it is a bit miss or hit. Bear in mind that it is common for would be doctors or nurses in Indonesia who fail exams to simply pay money to be qualified.

As former Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Fraser said, "Life is not meant to be easy". The quote came from George Bernard Shaw's play Back to Methuselah (1921) "Life is not meant to be easy, my child; but take courage: it can be delightful."

Good luck and keep us posted as I am sure others will also be interested in how it all works out.

 

[Balifrog]

I believe I am legally entitled to Register for the BPJS regardless of my marital status and if I do or do not have an Immediate Indonesian family link due to my wife's death

A bit arrogant, no ?

As immigrant you are "entitled" to nothing, except what the host country decides to grant you.

Typical example us the visa or permit to stay which they can cancel at will, without even needing to give you a reason.

And all countries are same. See USA....

 

[marcus]

...quoting the official rules /laws of the BPJS and Presidential regulations which both state I am entitled to be registered and it is mandatory for all expats both kitas and kitap holders to be by Indonesian Law ...After extensive searches I believe I am legally entitled to ...

I know a little about the specific Law & Regulation and I think you are mistaken (as I already told you before) .

But as you are so convinced that you are eligible to be registered at BPJS , could you show us the parts of the Law & Regulation that state that ?

 

[snpark]

You have to pay for it anyway right?