BPJS registration for Widowed WNA Kitap holders .

[Nicho]

Been through the hoops again , registered for the BPJS yesterday as Perserta Mandiri ( Independant Participant -Member) on the Whatsapp-Pandawa link , all went well until I got a reply to come to the office for further validation of residency . Went up to the Banyuwangi office this morning with my full 6 inch thick file and handed over copies of Passport , Kitap Seumur Hidup , KTP and KK Mandiri , Sponsors KTP , KK and the original Surat Alhi Penjamin from the sponsor change when my wife/previous sponsor died . All my deceased wife's documents , KTP ,KK , Buku Nikah , Akta Kematian . Sat for 1 hour waiting only to be told I wasn't entitled to membership as I no longer had an Immediate family member as my wife had died and In Laws do not qualify as immediate family ! Yet there able to step up as sponsor /penjamin for your visa when your spouse/sponsor dies . The only way I could have joined is if we had a child , I would then have to go through the hassle of cancelling my KK Mandiri and apply to be added to there KK as a dependant . I was also told that Kitap holders who no longer had Immediate family members due to there spouse/sponsors death would have there BPJS membership cancelled . This includes Retirement Kitap holders . They also say that it is mandatory for all Kitap holders to be registered in the BPJS system under indonesian law . yet there refusing membership and cancelling long term members because of the death of spouse /sponsors !! Did the same idiot who implemented the automatic Self Sponsorship rule for Kitap holders when ther spouse/sponsor dies but forgot to inform any offices or officers resulting in Kitap holders being told it was a system error because the 2 systems don't communicate with each other also implement this rule . None of the government departments system seem to be linked for easy access , verification of laws/ rules/ visa holders details etc . It's every man for himself , my rules , your rules , our rules ! And where the ones who cop the flack when there 's a F--k up . 6 months for a sponsor change , 3 mistakes with new Ktp and KK . now this shit .

 

[Bad_azz]

Been through the hoops again , registered for the BPJS yesterday as Perserta Mandiri ( Independant Participant -Member) on the Whatsapp-Pandawa link , all went well until I got a reply to come to the office for further validation of residency . Went up to the Banyuwangi office this morning with my full 6 inch thick file and handed over copies of Passport , Kitap Seumur Hidup , KTP and KK Mandiri , Sponsors KTP , KK and the original Surat Alhi Penjamin from the sponsor change when my wife/previous sponsor died . All my deceased wife's documents , KTP ,KK , Buku Nikah , Akta Kematian . Sat for 1 hour waiting only to be told I wasn't entitled to membership as I no longer had an Immediate family member as my wife had died and In Laws do not qualify as immediate family ! Yet there able to step up as sponsor /penjamin for your visa when your spouse/sponsor dies . The only way I could have joined is if we had a child , I would then have to go through the hassle of cancelling my KK Mandiri and apply to be added to there KK as a dependant . I was also told that Kitap holders who no longer had Immediate family members due to there spouse/sponsors death would have there BPJS membership cancelled . This includes Retirement Kitap holders . They also say that it is mandatory for all Kitap holders to be registered in the BPJS system under indonesian law . yet there refusing membership and cancelling long term members because of the death of spouse /sponsors !! Did the same idiot who implemented the automatic Self Sponsorship rule for Kitap holders when ther spouse/sponsor dies but forgot to inform any offices or officers resulting in Kitap holders being told it was a system error because the 2 systems don't communicate with each other also implement this rule . None of the government departments system seem to be linked for easy access , verification of laws/ rules/ visa holders details etc . It's every man for himself , my rules , your rules , our rules ! And where the ones who cop the flack when there 's a F--k up . 6 months for a sponsor change , 3 mistakes with new Ktp and KK . now this shit .

Aww Nicho, you really have been through all the hoops and then some. Sending hugs.
I recently had a message from BPJS asking if I was still on an eligible visa.
I pointed out I had been WNI for past 6 years. They responded with: Ah ok, sorry to bother you I will check into it.
I tried to pay my monthly fee this past week and it said I was already paid up and yet hubby's fee was doubled.
I just figured they have amalgamated us to the same number but I don't feel easy about it, as they never informed me that would happen. The 'joys' of bureaucracy.

 

[Hawk256]

The only way I know of for a married, non working person to get BPJS is to be added through their spouse. If you try to sign up any other way it will be rejected. Seems like that is spilling over into your situation.

 

[Nicho]

The only way I know of for a married, non working person to get BPJS is to be added through their spouse. If you try to sign up any other way it will be rejected. Seems like that is spilling over into your situation.

New rules/laws recently introduced , the system now does not recognize a widowed wna Kitap seumur hidup holder , it won't accept an application unless you have an immediate Indonesian family link , a spouse which unfortunately I no longer have , when it sees no family link it then assumes you are a foreign worker and wants Man Power documents . Heading back to the office with a letter drafted by a friend who works for a Notary detailing my predicament also detailing my residency status , marital status , work status , sponsor change , Ktp and KK mandiri changes etc etc and quoting the official rules /laws of the BPJS and Presidential regulations which both state I am entitled to be registered and it is mandatory for all expats both kitas and kitap holders to be by Indonesian Law if we've been here longer than 6 months . Fingers crossed ! Seems immigration is not the only Government department where they update rules/laws , don't advise any one or update there computer systems . Immigration run 2 systems that don't communicate or share data , The E-Visa system we're stuck with and there internal SIMKIM system .

 

[Nicho]

Aww Nicho, you really have been through all the hoops and then some. Sending hugs.
I recently had a message from BPJS asking if I was still on an eligible visa.
I pointed out I had been WNI for past 6 years. They responded with: Ah ok, sorry to bother you I will check into it.
I tried to pay my monthly fee this past week and it said I was already paid up and yet hubby's fee was doubled.
I just figured they have amalgamated us to the same number but I don't feel easy about it, as they never informed me that would happen. The 'joys' of bureaucracy.

I'm sure they make it hard just to test our resolve . If they contact you asking that they might be starting the review process I mentioned in my original post . Been a long haul with all the Legal changes after the wife's death , sponsor change problems , Ktp and KK changes/incorrect data entered , all because of officers not knowing current rules/laws and over riding the system causing lock outs . Seems the same with the BPJS office , young girl about 18 trying to process an application she has probably never seen before and using old rules to solve the problem . Rejecting my application ! Thought I'd jumped though all the hoops and could finally relax Ha Ha , not a chance . Australian aged pension to sort out early next year , could be a trip back to OZ and possibly a 2 year stay if they hit me with the 2 year portability rule for epats that have been out of the country for a long period and live in a country with no social security agreement with Australia . Thanks for the support , comments etc , means a lot when your doing this alone . Cheers .