Alcohol (from beverages) Is Toxic

[harryopal1]

That is a terrible way to judge People! just listen to your words? Is a person still USEFUL at an old age? What if their not Useful, as you say? Should we just discard them like an Old pair of Shoes? What would you have done with your Mother, if she was not Useful? Thrown her out with the Trash? Or in the Ocean?

This seems to be complete misreading of what Marcus is saying. He is making the point that at 105 his mother was not a zombie. Balifrog said: Living like a zombie at 90 is not worth it

 

[pantaiema]

That just about says it for everything you buy Now! Chickens, Beef, Pork, Duck, are full of antibiotics! Fish are full of Mercury! Vegetables full of Salmonella, E-Coli, And Listeria, all processed foods have a million additives, and preservatives! Bottled Water is full of Bacteria, Hamburger is full of Pink Slime! Salmon full of Carbon Monoxide to make it Red Color,! Pedophiles are after my Children, Rapist after the Young Girls, Religious Fanatics are trying to shove Religion down my Throat!
Israeli's are killing all the Palestinians!
And Now You tell me that Legal Alcohol, and Tobacco, will Kill me!
And Sex will give Me STD's or even AIDS!
What is Left?

Well, you forgot plastic burning near your accommodation, plastic burning in tofu factories !!!

 

[pantaiema]

To me, this just states the obvious. Almost everyone knows that naturally, drinking spring water is healthier than consuming alcohol. However, for many people, drinking alcohol is a form of enjoyment. It is widely associated with socialising, relaxation, and cultural events and to some extents socials status.

Alcohol consumption has been a part of human culture since ancient times, including among the Vikings and Romans. Have you or others ever eaten cake, chocolate, meat, steak, hamburgers, crisps or other foods that contain sugar, honey, salt, meats, or Asian food containing msg? If it’s so clearly healthier to avoid these stuffs, additives, why do people still choose to eat them?

In Japan and many Western nations, alcohol consumption is a common cultural practice, yet these countries often have higher life expectancies than places where alcohol is heavily restricted or completely banned, such as Afghanistan, Somalia, or Indonesia. For example, in Japan, drinking sake is deeply embedded in the culture, much like wine, beer, whisky in Western societies, Vodka in Eastern Europe. Despite this, people in these countries tend to live longer. While advanced healthcare systems certainly play a significant role, they are not the sole reason for this difference.

And let’s not forget, numerous studies have shown that drinking red wine in moderation can actually have health benefits. Also, do not forget Jesus and his disciples did drink alcohol, specifically wine

 

[harryopal1]

To me, this just states the obvious. Almost everyone knows that naturally, drinking spring water is healthier than consuming alcohol. However, for many people, drinking alcohol is a form of enjoyment. It is widely associated with socialising, relaxation, and cultural events and to some extents socials status.

Alcohol consumption has been a part of human culture since ancient times, including among the Vikings and Romans. Have you or others ever eaten cake, chocolate, meat, steak, hamburgers, crisps or other foods that contain sugar, honey, salt, meats, or Asian food containing msg? If it’s so clearly healthier to avoid these stuffs, additives, why do people still choose to eat them?

In Japan and many Western nations, alcohol consumption is a common cultural practice, yet these countries often have higher life expectancies than places where alcohol is heavily restricted or completely banned, such as Afghanistan, Somalia, or Indonesia. For example, in Japan, drinking sake is deeply embedded in the culture, much like wine, beer, whisky in Western societies, Vodka in Eastern Europe. Despite this, people in these countries tend to live longer. While advanced healthcare systems certainly play a significant role, they are not the sole reason for this difference.

And let’s not forget, numerous studies have shown that drinking red wine in moderation can actually have health benefits. Also, do not forget Jesus and his disciples did drink alcohol, specifically wine

This is just muddying the waters. Taking countries, Aghanistan, Somalia or Indonesia, where life expectancy is lower is not a valid comparison to then suggest that as alcohol is banned in these countries this indicates that the dangers of heavy drinking is not relevant.

Single country morbidity studies show that heavy drinking and smoking are both likely to decrease your longevity.

Japan is referred to above as a country with a cultural pattern of heavy drinking but greater overall longevity as if this proves the case that heavy drinking is okay. This is nonsense.

Studies in Japan consistently show a link between alcohol consumption and increased mortality risk, particularly for heavy drinkers. While moderate alcohol consumption may be associated with certain health benefits, heavy drinking is linked to a higher risk of various diseases and overall mortality.

Key Findings from Studies in Japan:
Increased Mortality Risk:

• Several studies, like the Japan Collaborative Cohort Study, have demonstrated a J-shaped relationship between alcohol consumption and mortality, meaning moderate drinking might be associated with lower mortality risk, while heavy drinking increases it, even after cessation.
  Impact on Specific Diseases:
  Heavy alcohol consumption is associated with increased risk of various cancers, including esophageal, liver, and renal cancers, as well as cerebrovascular disease.
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  But then to each his own. I am sure Pantaiema's post gives comfort for those who want to go on smoking and heavily imbibing. But the facts are facts. Most people will have shorter lives by ignoring these studies.
  
  
  
  

 

[Shadrach]

This happened on a flight from Toronto, where they only had 200 meals for 400 Pssengers!

However, a clever flight attendant had an idea! About 30 minutes into the flight, she nervously announced:

"Ladies and gentlemen, I don't know how it happened, but we have 400 passengers on board and only 200 dinners! Anyone who is kind enough to give up food for someone else will have free and unlimited alcohol during the entire flight!"

Her next announcement was made 6 hours later: "Ladies and gentlemen, if anyone wants to change their mind, we still have 200 lunches!"

Moral of the story: drinkers have very big and kind hearts!
My sentiments exactly!

 

[marcus]

... And let’s not forget, numerous studies have shown that drinking red wine in moderation can actually have health benefits ...

Those are old studies . Scientific studies may be biased or wrong .

It is true that red wine also contains healthy substances , but the alcohol is probably the main factor to consider .

This thread title is based on the World Health Organization statement , which probably analized all studies to conclude that any quantity of alcoholic beverage is bad to our health .

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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Most_Published_Research_Findings_Are_False#:~:text=Ioannidis's theoretical model fails to,, not greater than 50%.

... Biostatisticians Jager and Leek ... did an investigation .. which calculated that the false positive rate in biomedical studies was estimated to be around 14% ... (poster's Note : I guess that is assuming no bias).

 

[harryopal1]

For many years the tobacco industry paid for independent research into the effects of smoking. This enabled them to not release the reports which were unfavourable and continue on insisting there was no evidence that smoking was harmful even as they produced tobacco with addictive properties.

Olders smokers may remember the "Marlboro Man" with a great advertising campaign to promote Marlboro cigarettes. Many of the actors made good money from their assigments but many also paid a high price.

• Eric Lawson: Lawson, who appeared in Marlboro print ads from 1978 to 1981, died in 2014 at the age of 72 due to respiratory failure caused by COPD. He had been a smoker since the age of 14 and later became involved in anti-smoking efforts.
  
  
• Wayne McLaren: McLaren, another Marlboro Man, died of lung cancer in 1992.
  
  
• David McLean: McLean, who appeared in both print and television ads, also died of lung cancer in 1995.
  
  
• Darrell Winfield: Winfield was a real-life rancher who became the Marlboro Man, representing a more authentic cowboy image than previous actors. He continued ranching even after becoming the Marlboro Man and used his earnings to establish a ranch with his family.
  
  
• Jerome Edward Jackson (Tobin Jackson): Jackson, who also appeared in Marlboro ads, died of lung cancer in 2008.

 

[pantaiema]

This is just muddying the waters. Taking countries, Aghanistan, Somalia or Indonesia, where life expectancy is lower is not a valid comparison to then suggest that as alcohol is banned in these countries this indicates that the dangers of heavy drinking is not relevant.

Single country morbidity studies show that heavy drinking and smoking are both likely to decrease your longevity.

Japan is referred to above as a country with a cultural pattern of heavy drinking but greater overall longevity as if this proves the case that heavy drinking is okay. This is nonsense.

Studies in Japan consistently show a link between alcohol consumption and increased mortality risk, particularly for heavy drinkers. While moderate alcohol consumption may be associated with certain health benefits, heavy drinking is linked to a higher risk of various diseases and overall mortality.

Key Findings from Studies in Japan:
Increased Mortality Risk:

• Several studies, like the Japan Collaborative Cohort Study, have demonstrated a J-shaped relationship between alcohol consumption and mortality, meaning moderate drinking might be associated with lower mortality risk, while heavy drinking increases it, even after cessation.
  Impact on Specific Diseases:
  Heavy alcohol consumption is associated with increased risk of various cancers, including esophageal, liver, and renal cancers, as well as cerebrovascular disease.
  ======
  
  But then to each his own. I am sure Pantaiema's post gives comfort for those who want to go on smoking and heavily imbibing. But the facts are facts. Most people will have shorter lives by ignoring these studies.
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I never say heavy, excessive drinking is ok !!!. According to the NHS, heavy drinking means regularly going over 14 units of alcohol per week, or consuming more than 8 units for men or 6 units for women in a single session, which is considered binge drinking. Example of alcohol unit Small glass of wine (125ml, ABV 12%). 1.5 units. Bottle of lager beer/cider (330ml, ABV 5%). 1.7 units, etc

Other countries have similar guidelines, like the NIAAA in the U.S. The NIAAA defines heavy drinking as consuming four or more drinks on any day for women, or five or more drinks on any day for men, and eight or more drinks per week for women or 15 or more drinks per week for men.

The Basics: Defining How Much Alcohol is Too Much | National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA)

Show your patients a standard drink chart when asking about their alcohol consumption to encourage more accurate estimates. Drinks often contain more alcohol than people think, and patients often underestimate their consumption. Advise some patients not to drink at all, including those who are...

www.niaaa.nih.gov

No single country officially endorses excessive drinking that can lead to alcoholism. When people become alcoholic and can not control their habits, they are likely to become homeless which in turn become the burden to the government, society. But vast majority of people drink in moderation and could still control their habits.

In developed nations, policies around alcohol are also guided by the advice of an army of top scientists, from scientific research conducted by teams of experts not from NONSENSE opinions.

Cultural drinking, like enjoying sake in Japan during celebrations or social gatherings, is not the same as excessive drinking or becoming an alcoholic.

And let not forget the pope, arch bishop of canterbury, the cardinals Jesus and his disciples did drink alcohol. For religious person this is at least a short of endorsement that drinking alcohol is not a sin. Guilty pleasure might be

 

[marcus]

... According to the NHS, heavy drinking means ...

From https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/drink-less/ (NHS UK)
Title : Drink less alcohol
[Stopping or drinking less alcohol can make a big difference to your health ...]

Other countries have similar guidelines, like the NIAAA in the U.S. The NIAAA defines heavy drinking as ...

The Basics: Defining How Much Alcohol is Too Much | National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA)

Show your patients a standard drink chart when asking about their alcohol consumption to encourage more accurate estimates. Drinks often contain more alcohol than people think, and patients often underestimate their consumption. Advise some patients not to drink at all, including those who are...

www.niaaa.nih.gov

From your own reference above (NIAAA US) :
[... Past research overestimated benefits of moderate drinking, while current research points to added risks, such as for breast cancer, even with low levels of drinking ...]

 

[Shadrach]

Gosh Golly Gee! After all this information about Drinking, and Smoking, I feel Soooo Quilty! But, As any good Christian Person Knows, If I Pray my Ass off, and ask God to forgive my Sins, In Jesus's name of course, Put some Money in The Collection Plate, Then All is Forgiven, and I can feel good about Myself, and go back and Do It All Over Again, Like, Cheat my Neighbors, Chase Their Wives, Smoke Dope, Tobacco, Drink Booze, until I feel Sooo Quilty Again, and Have to repeat this Never ending Process, because I was Born a Sinner!

 

[pantaiema]

Those are old studies . Scientific studies may be biased or wrong .

It is true that red wine also contains healthy substances , but the alcohol is probably the main factor to consider .

This thread title is based on the World Health Organization statement , which probably analized all studies to conclude that any quantity of alcoholic beverage is bad to our health .

--------------------------------------------

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Most_Published_Research_Findings_Are_False#:~:text=Ioannidis's theoretical model fails to,, not greater than 50%.

... Biostatisticians Jager and Leek ... did an investigation .. which calculated that the false positive rate in biomedical studies was estimated to be around 14% ... (poster's Note : I guess that is assuming no bias).

I just copy and paste what I said before, just in case you missed it:

"To me, this just states the obvious. Almost everyone knows that naturally, drinking spring water is healthier than consuming alcohol. However, for many people, drinking alcohol is a form of enjoyment. It is widely associated with socialising, relaxation, and cultural events and to some extents socials status."

"Have you or others ever eaten cake, chocolate, meat, steak, hamburgers, crisps or other foods that contain sugar, honey, salt, meats, or Asian food containing msg? If it’s so clearly healthier to avoid these stuffs, additives, why do people still choose to eat them?"
Don't you eat any of these food, don't you have guilty pleaseure, comfort food/drink Marcus ? You have not answered this question ??

If there’s a healthier way to live, why not choose it? People living like Tarzan or in traditional jungle tribes don’t have to worry about getting intoxicated with alcohol, city air pollution, nature provides everything they need, without additives. So why don’t more people choose that kind of lifestyle? Sure, some tribes do drink alcohol too, but access is way more limited.

Food critics, sensory analysts, and I believe many others who knows about steak will understand the difference in taste between enjoying a ribeye or sirloin steak with fine red wine (or beer) versus having it served with bottled water.

The idea of making choices based on pain (not drinking alcohol, not getting Sweet treats Chocolate, ice cream, cakes, and cookies, steaks, hamburgers, crips, etc). vs pleasure has been around forever. It’s a key part of hedonism, utilitarian philosophy, with thinkers like Epicurus and later Jeremy Bentham, and John Stuart Mill being some of the most well known names behind it.

Outright banning alcohol, can lead to unintended consequences. A notable historical example is in the US between 1920 and 1933, when the production, sale, and transportation of alcohol were prohibited. This period saw a surge in organised crime, with notorious gangsters like Al Capone gaining power by running extensive bootlegging operations.

 

[Vulgarian]

Jager and Leek

Welsh cocktail, is it?

 

[pantaiema]

Jager and Leek

Welsh cocktail, is it?

Leek, Potato, bacon Soup which is Welsh (British) consumed with Jägermeister which is German liqueur how does it taste ? Welsh meets German. Have not tried it yet. Someone might want to try and inform the forum?? I am pretty sure the British or German government will not put people in prison for eating Leek, Potato, bacon Soup served with Jägermeister.

 

[Shadrach]

Leek, Potato, bacon Soup which is Welsh (British) consumed with Jägermeister which is German liqueur how does it taste ? Welsh meets German. Have not tried it yet. Someone might want to try and inform the forum?? I am pretty sure the British or German government will not put people in prison for eating Leek, Potato, bacon Soup served with Jägermeister.

The Potato, leek, bacon soup is Yummy! I make it myself many times! I've tried Jäegermeister once, and it tastes like Cough Medicine! It's got like Fifty different Herbs, Roots,Etc, in It! I Guess if you're freezing on a Snowing mountain Slope, you might as well drink it then, before you freeze to Death!

 

[pantaiema]

See this Toddler reaction trying durian for the first time

There are also ice creams flavoured with durian in many ice cream counters in Indonesia. Why do children, adults enjoy durian, ice cream when, clearly, avoiding them might be better overall? Not only because they are not good for your health but they’re also not good for your pocket. In many developed countries, durian is considered an exotic fruit, making it relatively expensive. Regarding your health, durian is very sweet, fatty which isn’t ideal for your blood sugar, cholesterol levels and your teeth. So why do people still buy and eat it?

It’s similar to wine or other alcoholic beverages, people still drink them, because people have sense, tongue. Many people can appreciate the distinct experience of pairing sirloin or ribeye steak with red wine, or lobster with white wine.

Ultimately, it comes down to balancing pain and pleasure, a concept at the heart of hedonism and utilitarian philosophy. This idea has shaped human decision-making for centuries, from Epicurus and later Jeremy Bentham followed by John Stuart Mill. Also like everything in life there is still a limit to define.

 

[Balifrog]

See this Toddler reaction trying durian for the first time

There are also ice creams flavoured with durian in many ice cream counters in Indonesia. Why do children, adults enjoy durian, ice cream when, clearly, avoiding them might be better overall? Not only because they are not good for your health but they’re also not good for your pocket. In many developed countries, durian is considered an exotic fruit, making it relatively expensive. Regarding your health, durian is very sweet, fatty which isn’t ideal for your blood sugar, cholesterol levels and your teeth. So why do people still buy and eat it?

It’s similar to wine or other alcoholic beverages, people still drink them, because people have sense, tongue. Many people can appreciate the distinct experience of pairing sirloin or ribeye steak with red wine, or lobster with white wine.

Ultimately, it comes down to balancing pain and pleasure, a concept at the heart of hedonism and utilitarian philosophy. This idea has shaped human decision-making for centuries, from Epicurus and later Jeremy Bentham followed by John Stuart Mill. Also like everything in life there is still a limit to define.

No way this sh*t durian even enters my house.

 

[jstar]

OMG, do we have a Neil Dow on this forum now?

 

[Hawk256]

No way this sh*t durian even enters my house.

There is video somewhere of a cat smelling it and then trying to cover it up. 100% my opinion.

 

[harryopal1]

Feel sorry for those of you who do not appreciate durian. Fifty six years ago since first tasting durian in Malaysia and loved it from the start. Travelling quite a bit in the following years and often stopped off in Singapore just to get durian. Many hotels banned it because of the very distinctive aroma. I can recall smuggling the King of fruits into my hotel room. I normally avoid ice cream but can be tempted by the durian ice cream.

The Malaysians approach selecting the right durian is almost religious in its fervour. They will pick one up, weigh it, it smell it and maybe spend half an hour choosing just a couple of this amazing fruit. I don't see this happening in Indonesia. I have seen wild growing durian trees in the jungles of Sarawak maybe thirty to forty feet tall. If one fell on your head you would then have a legitimate reason to hate durian. But as for the durian haters on this forum... you just haven't seen the light.

 

[jstar]

I don't see this happening in Indonesia

You should visit Medan…