7 Worship Houses in Tanjung Balai Burned due to Misunderstanding

[fastpitch17]

I guess they could, but it would be pointless if they're not going to prosecute him. I fear that no local gov't has the cojones to go after the guy, even if they can somehow prove that he spread the message.

That just goes to show who is really in charge and it's not god.

 

[Nimbus]

That just goes to show who is really in charge and it's not god.

Decentralization and weak rule of law have brought the worst excess of democracy to Indonesia: tyranny of the majority.

 

[kimdub]

I guess they could, but it would be pointless if they're not going to prosecute him. I fear that no local gov't has the cojones to go after the guy, even if they can somehow prove that he spread the message.

Not an attack on you at all, but really a very sad comment when you think about it. Decentralization could only work if there were strong and honest local governments and too many examples show this is all too rare.

 

[Nimbus]

Not an attack on you at all, but really a very sad comment when you think about it. Decentralization could only work if there were strong and honest local governments and too many examples show this is all too rare.

I have been very open for years about my disdain for decentralization. It's Habibie's worst legacy.

 

[fastpitch17]

An actual word of reason from a DPR member. Unfortunantly is is probably falling on deaf ears.
http://en.tempo.co/read/news/2016/0...ked-to-Remain-Neutral-over-Tanjung-Balai-Riot

"In 1953, President Soekarno said that Indonesia should never differentiate between members of ethnic majority and minority groups, Eva said. “It must be upheld, from Singkil to Tolikara, from Bogor to Bali.”

 

[ChrisTex]

There are comments on the Jakarta Post article which make a good read. Most people say turn the volume down at night and all will be ok. However their version of Fedbrown is blaming it on the Chinese who moved there and if you don't like it, you shouldn't be there.

 

[colroe]

It is a symptom of the lack of common sense in most Indonesian people. As a general rule, most Indonesians do not care, or maybe not think, about their neighbours or the community. Traffic:- just push into the intersection, don't give way and then make sure all the traffic comes to a standstill. Shopping:- push in front, or throw your purchase on the counter in front of the person in the queue. Rubbish:- burn your rubbish including noxious plastic in front of your house, mainly in the evening and morning because the air is cooler at that time. Weddings/Parties:- block the street for 24 hours. Noise:- toot the car horn at your gate late at night until the family and neighbours are roused and the pembantu opens the gate. Parking:- park your car so that it effectively blocks one lane, while you partake of some bakso. Mosque noise:- any hour of the day or night, endless prayers and calls to prayer, never mind that the neighbours have young children or older folk wanting to sleep. I could go on but you get my drift!!!!

 

[fastpitch17]

There are comments on the Jakarta Post article which make a good read. Most people say turn the volume down at night and all will be ok. However their version of Fedbrown is blaming it on the Chinese who moved there and if you don't like it, you shouldn't be there.

I seen that. The Governor of N. Sumatra basically blamed the Chinese for moving there even though they were probably there before the Mosque. He also advised the Chinese to get out and get involved with the non Chinese and stop keeping to themselves. Then they wonder why they have problems and are called intolerant.

 

[waarmstrong]

It is a symptom of the lack of common sense in most Indonesian people. As a general rule, most Indonesians do not care, or maybe not think, about their neighbours or the community. Traffic:- just push into the intersection, don't give way and then make sure all the traffic comes to a standstill. Shopping:- push in front, or throw your purchase on the counter in front of the person in the queue. Rubbish:- burn your rubbish including noxious plastic in front of your house, mainly in the evening and morning because the air is cooler at that time. Weddings/Parties:- block the street for 24 hours. Noise:- toot the car horn at your gate late at night until the family and neighbours are roused and the pembantu opens the gate. Parking:- park your car so that it effectively blocks one lane, while you partake of some bakso. Mosque noise:- any hour of the day or night, endless prayers and calls to prayer, never mind that the neighbours have young children or older folk wanting to sleep. I could go on but you get my drift!!!!

The behavior you described certainly is prevalent enough to constitute a pattern among the impatient and self-centered, but they are not limited to Indonesians; selfishness is cross-cultural. So is bigotry.

 

[Jamu]

There are comments on the Jakarta Post article which make a good read. Most people say turn the volume down at night and all will be ok.

This is what happens in the U.A.E., where in cities like Abu Dhabi there seems to be a higher density of mosques than in Jakarta. And all is ok...

 

[Anglian]

This is what happens in the U.A.E., where in cities like Abu Dhabi there seems to be a higher density of mosques than in Jakarta. And all is ok...

I've been to several Arab countries and don't recall loud mosques, in fact I don't really recall hearing them as they aren't really above the general noise, the only one I recollect because it was so unique was at the Hilton hotel in Khartoum, I heard some praying from my hotel room I looked out, and this solitary chap was calling to prayer without a microphone, it was rather nice and not irritating as here

 

[scouser59]

I've been to several Arab countries and don't recall loud mosques, in fact I don't really recall hearing them as they aren't really above the general noise, the only one I recollect because it was so unique was at the Hilton hotel in Khartoum, I heard some praying from my hotel room I looked out, and this solitary chap was calling to prayer without a microphone, it was rather nice and not irritating as here

your absolutely right anglian , I had the same experience in the various arab countries I lived in over 10 years , normally never disturbed sleep, except the Sheraton in sanaa which was surrounded by about 20 mosques with broken speakers ,and the din started around 5.45 so i had to be up anyway.
Ironically I had the same discussion with my wife about the hilton khartoum around the same time you posted , boring place sudan !

 

[Anglian]

Yep, the chap who drove me around would remove his distributor cap so nobody would steal his car, the the religious police sent any women home for wearing jeans as this was haram due to the fact they are considered men's wear, nothing to buy, the people I worked with wished the British would come back and sort the place out

 

[scouser59]

Yep, the chap who drove me around would remove his distributor cap so nobody would steal his car, the the religious police sent any women home for wearing jeans as this was haram due to the fact they are considered men's wear, nothing to buy, the people I worked with wished the British would come back and sort the place out

Too true , my local colleague said, ya colonization is not good , But when the brits were here , I opened the tap and I had water , I posted a letter and it arrived ,when I turned the light on there was electricity, now I cant guarantee any of these things , that statement was 10 years ago but I cant imagine things have changed much.

 

[HappyMan]

A Jakarta man was arrested for attempting to incite further violence. He posted this message to facebook, "Violence in Tanjung Balai, Medan on July 30, 2016, six temples were burned down, my Muslim brothers and sisters join the ranks… We’ll repeat the ’98 tragedy, Allahu Akbar". http://jakarta.coconuts.co/2016/08/...-further-violence-after-attacks-tanjung-balai

 

[Pak Asam Manis]

Too true , my local colleague said, ya colonization is not good , But when the brits were here , I opened the tap and I had water , I posted a letter and it arrived ,when I turned the light on there was electricity, now I cant guarantee any of these things , that statement was 10 years ago but I cant imagine things have changed much.

That's probably just what the ancestors of those who forged the British Empire used to say about the Romans ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ

 

[Nimbus]

A Jakarta man was arrested for attempting to incite further violence. He posted this message to facebook, "Violence in Tanjung Balai, Medan on July 30, 2016, six temples were burned down, my Muslim brothers and sisters join the ranks… We’ll repeat the ’98 tragedy, Allahu Akbar". http://jakarta.coconuts.co/2016/08/...-further-violence-after-attacks-tanjung-balai

So this asshole tried to start it in Jakarta. I've seen similar calls before on FB, and I'm glad they nab him. It's kinda sad that they sorta ignore Tanjung Balai, but they move fast when Jakarta is concerned.

Perhaps technology is a factor. It's easy to prove on FB that you made a statement, it's very hard on Whatsapp to find the origin of copied and pasted texts.

 

[kimdub]

A Jakarta man was arrested for attempting to incite further violence. He posted this message to facebook, "Violence in Tanjung Balai, Medan on July 30, 2016, six temples were burned down, my Muslim brothers and sisters join the ranks… We’ll repeat the ’98 tragedy, Allahu Akbar". http://jakarta.coconuts.co/2016/08/...-further-violence-after-attacks-tanjung-balai

Probably a good way to define the difference between free speech and hate speech. I hope the media will follow this case so we can learn the outcome.

 

[nosox]

I imagine this will be ignored too

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/...ker-volumes-following-tanjung-balai-riot.html

 

[Dan]

I imagine this will be ignored too

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/...ker-volumes-following-tanjung-balai-riot.html

Considering it's just a request, not any kind of enforcement, I doubt it. Trying to enforce it at the present time will only stir up more violence.

What's necessary is a persuasive Islamic argument against it, and one definitely exists. It has to be reframed away from being an attack on Islam and instead it must be turned on its head. Distorted recitations must be seen as unIslamic.