Mobil Rakyat...new cars

[serious_fun]

I'm happy with my Veloz CVT (2023 model). Still going strong with low mileage, regular maintenance, looks perfect (thanks to a few repairs since purchase which was 100% covered by my comprehensive insuransi.)

 

[jstar]

Esp. in city traffic a hybrid or full electric car benefits from the constant braking and accelerating; the batteries are being recharged while driving so less energy is wasted.

That is called regenerative braking, a process where an electric vehicle's motor acts as a generator during deceleration, converting the wheels' kinetic energy (normally lost as heat) into electricity to recharge the battery. So lift up your foot from the accelerator and the batteries get extra juice. Obviously the brakes are used less intense/often so an added advantage is they will wear less.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

I wonder if all the new electric cars, which are much more heavy than normal cars, are causing Jakarta's roads to deteriorate quicker?

 

[Hawk256]

I wonder if all the new electric cars, which are much more heavy than normal cars, are causing Jakarta's roads to deteriorate quicker?

They are much heavier and not likely to change until some major battery changes. The roads and tires are two of the things that EV's are going to wear out quicker but no one really want's to talk about the negatives. EV's are supposed to be all flowers and sunshine. I own both so I feel that it's fair for me to criticize either and/or both.

 

[jstar]

That extra weight is a bit of a non-argument often used by BEV haters. Just like the “they will catch fire” remark.

If you look at a BYD M6, it’s approximately 200 kg heavier than an Innova. And you could argue that if you drive with 4-6 people in a car, you’d do more damage to the road surface. Obviously the largest destructors are the trucks, luckily there are more small pickup models used here but their disadvantage is they have Euro 2 engines. Which are conceptually 30 years old and spread fumes like crazy.

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Obviously electric vehicle don‘t wear out faster. They don’t have a combustion engine and no transmission. Which is where the real maintenance is. And the batteries last much longer than many thought in the past.

 

[Hawk256]

And the batteries last much longer than many thought in the past.

The jury is still out that. Don't expect to be able to resell a used EV in Indonesia either. They are practically worth nothing on the used market. At least a ICE car still has good resell value here. I will be using the buy back program on my Vinfast V3 in a couple of months so I guess I will find out if they will hold up their end of the contract.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

My Kijang Innova is almost 10 years old and still worth almost what I paid for it (maybe lost 10-20%).
I'd like to get a BYD M6 at some point but the current car can probably continue without any problems for 5 or 10 years, by which time hopefully the EV battery issues and second hand values will be resolved. The dream would be a fully electric version of the Kijang Innova in its current dimensions.

 

[jstar]

Don't expect to be able to resell a used EV in Indonesia either. They are practically worth nothing on the used market.

As so often, it depends on the brand and esp. the size of the car. As in the west, smaller cars keep their value much better. They are more popular second hand.

A BYD Atto 3 for instance, loses 13% of its value after two years. That is extremely good compared to a Seal of 2024 that loses up to 30%.

They give 8 years warranty and 10 years on the battery btw. Then a lot depends on how long you plan to keep it.

 

[Hawk256]

As so often, it depends on the brand and esp. the size of the car. As in the west, smaller cars keep their value much better. They are more popular second hand.

A BYD Atto 3 for instance, loses 13% of its value after two years. That is extremely good compared to a Seal of 2024 that loses up to 30%.

They give 8 years warranty and 10 years on the battery btw. Then a lot depends on how long you plan to keep it.

I don't believe those resell number numbers for Indonesia. I have never heard of friend or assosciate successfully selling an EV at any price and I know quite a few that want to sell. Not a single one.

They can give as long a warranty as they want, doesn't mean it will last that long. Like the late great Chris Farley said "I can take a shit in a box and mark it guaranteed but all you will have is a guaranteed piece of shit.

Maybe a Tesla battery will last a little while or the quality others but I don't think you will get the same life out the cheapest Chinese battery they can make for a certian application.

 

[jstar]

I don't believe those resell number numbers for Indonesia. I have never heard of friend or assosciate successfully selling an EV at any price and I know quite a few that want to sell. Not a single one.

I will refrain from jokes on having not so many friends. But it’s kind of hilarious how often the way you project your views on Indonesian society.

https://www.olx.co.id/mobil-bekas_c198/q-BYD-atto-3

And so we can go on and on.

 

[jstar]

Something which surprised me a bit at the IIMS was -next to the amazing amount of food stalls- the return of ……Subaru!

You probably remember that the importer / distributor didn‘t pay import taxes and that many Subarus were impounded at the port of Tanjung Priok and some other locations in the country. More than a year later there were public auctions to sell these cars. Then the brand disappeared.

Now they’re back. Well, back is kind of relative since I understood there‘s only one dealer, it is located at Alam Sutera. So if you have plans to visit IKEA you could combine it, otherwise it’s a bit of a detour for maintenance etc.

Anyway, the models they sell in Indonesia are the Forester, XV, BRZ and the all new WRX (Wagon). The latter costs approx. 1 billion rupiah.

Subaru Indonesia has extended their range with the Crosstrek and the Outback.

The Forester is renewed. It serves slightly different segments—the Forester operates as a SUV crossover (higher) while the Outback is a larger, wagon-based crossover.

The Crosstrek is a compact crossover which should be competing with cars like the Mazda CX-30 and Honda HR-V.

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I don’t think they sell the XV anymore. That model was rather popular before the trouble started.

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[Hawk256]

I will refrain from jokes on having not so many friends. But it’s kind of hilarious how often the way you project your views on Indonesian society.


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And so we can go on and on.

These are for sale. I know of plenty for sale. Show me completed sales. I have one that I can't sell and the only way it will sell is when it qualities for dealer buy back in 2 months as long as they follow the contract.

 

[jstar]

Obviously the Subaru is an AWD. The only exception is the Uncharted, a BEV that will appear this year. The Uncharted is actually Subaru's version of the Toyota C-HR+.

There will also be a Solterra, which is Subaru’s version of the Toyota BZ4X.

 

[jstar]

One of the most brute hot hatches this moment is the Yaris GR.

I’m not sure how many of those 125 allocated to the Indonesian market were sold right away after the introduction.

But it can even more absurd; there’s a Toyota GR Yaris Sébastien Ogier 9x World Champion Edition. Only 200 units will be produced; 100 for Japan and 100 for Europe. I bet some of the Japanese RHD versions will appear in Jakarta.

 

[Balifrog]

A different approach on the EV subject. Different from the usual green washing blablabla. We're speaking purely money here !

https://jakartaglobe.id/business/scrapping-ev-incentives-may-be-premature-analysts-warn

This article reminds me the Norway approach to convince people to switch to NEV. Incentives, lower taxes, advantages in traffic, etc...
On the other hand make it expensive to buy an ICE vehicle, and put plenty circulation restrictions on them.
Funny thing is all the incentives are paid by money coming from their O & G production..

 

[jstar]

Of course it’s all about money. Why do you think Toyota has a huge anti BEV lobby in the US? And Norway is exporting its oil and gas while 95% of their new car sales are full electric. Smart move. And gasoline is subsidized also. Not only in Indonesia where it is directly at the gas station, but also in western countries, even when those vehicles are taxed more. Think company cars etc.

 

[jstar]

In Mall Of Indonesia…

 

[jstar]

If you’re in the market for a Hyundai Santa Fe, you need to realize there will be a new model rather soon.

This car has a rather controversial or polarizing design. It‘s a bit you love or you hate it. Especially the back of the current generation stirred up quite a bit of comments when it was introduced. Hyundai apparently does care about the criticism, because the upcoming facelift for the model doesn't seem subtle.

Esp. on the back the layout will be completely different. The rear lights, which are currently placed very low in the car, apparently disappear, replacing them with much higher vertical units on the corners. As a result, the Santa Fe will look a lot more conventional and a bit more like the Palisade.

The current model:

 

[jstar]

A new logo for BMW.

No more chrome lines separating the white, blue and black.

In my working days for multinationals I was also involved in rolling out new company logo’s etc. Amazingly impactful and expensive. All the buildings, forms, documents, packaging, marketing materials, … And that worldwide, not to forget the cost of a consultancy firm who had to come up with the new design in the first place.

 

[jstar]

Talking about new cars; also the very popular Mazda CX-5 is being introduced as a completely new model.

It will be very difficult to spot, but there are many changes.

Look at the light units. And the …. okay I give up.