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    Indonesia set to introduce strict new law banning sex outside of marriage

    From the perspective of an American (i.e. me), it's between the spouses or the consenting adults having sex. If someone is injured by an adulterous relationship, it isn't the society that is injured but the individual spouse/family/children. Therefore, it's a matter for civil law where damages...
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    Indonesia set to introduce strict new law banning sex outside of marriage

    And so we've come full circle. My point of view is that religion isn't the only institution, and it isn't the only institution that unduly influences the state. Europeans and their colonies established secular societies in reaction to centuries of misrule from a collusion of church and state...
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    Indonesia set to introduce strict new law banning sex outside of marriage

    Back to the topic at hand, to get this back in line with the thread we're dealing with(and because the mods will move that needle regardless of what we say or think in this thread), we're probably in agreement that secularism is the best way to handle the institution of religion in a modern...
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    Indonesia set to introduce strict new law banning sex outside of marriage

    A simple Google search would have yielded this information. Please don't bother with "but they don't! it isn't on the books!" when they really, really do regardless of whatever their opaque police state claims they don't. It's pretty amusing to me that you'll carry water for an authoritarian...
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    Indonesia set to introduce strict new law banning sex outside of marriage

    Baby, they harvest peoples' organs and drop you with a single bullet. What are you going on about? Is it because it's "da Islams" that you're riled up and unable to see that authoritarian brutality is authoritarian brutality regardless of whether or not it is informed by religious fanaticism.
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    Indonesia set to introduce strict new law banning sex outside of marriage

    Secularism is neutral. Its application, seen by you as a universal good, is only as good as the nation-state's/regime's intentions. It happens to be an effective way to govern a modern society when used to protect religious minorities. China is among the world's most secular nations. It...
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    Well ruffle my hair and call me Elvis! Hemp education?

    There's not really any solid evidence for ganja being haram like there is for alcohol. I would wager most jurists would consider it makruh, disliked. Maybe you can do it, but it isn't recommended. That's also the reason why it is grown in Aceh, and why the seeds are sometimes used in traditional...
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    Indonesia set to introduce strict new law banning sex outside of marriage

    If you're interested in this subject, PM me or we can open a thread in the cage. While I do find this particular issue fascinating, the mods will view it as a deviation from the thread's original topic and insist we keep it on course. And they'd be right. I mentioned it only as a useful example...
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    Well ruffle my hair and call me Elvis! Hemp education?

    Indonesia is already in a crisis situation with its marriage of ahem state and tobacco farm. Smoking marijuana seems like a lateral move at worst.
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    Indonesia set to introduce strict new law banning sex outside of marriage

    I mean, imposition of opinions/beliefs on others is how all societies arrive at their norms and political aims whether or not they're informed by religion. It's personally my belief that a man cannot become a woman and vice versa. I arrived at this conclusion because our sexes are concrete and...
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    Indonesia set to introduce strict new law banning sex outside of marriage

    The Indonesian state has difficulty resisting implementation of the shari'a because its national ideology is influenced by the shari'a. It is not a coincidence that a nation with a majority Muslim population has for the first precept of its allegedly multiconfessional state ideology an...
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    Indonesia set to introduce strict new law banning sex outside of marriage

    Using religion to inform a legal framework is ruinous as it is all too rigid. There is no room for improvement or progress as society is perceived to have reached a pinnacle at another point in history. In the case of the Taliban's rule of Afghanistan, they well and truly believe that human...
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    Indonesia set to introduce strict new law banning sex outside of marriage

    Totally fair. My beef with that other article is that it's an exercise in white knighting. Indonesia isn't seen as a place where millions of people live, its value is tied to whether or not the Guardian's readership can enjoy a vacation there. I'm sure there will be more to come on a broader...
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    Indonesia set to introduce strict new law banning sex outside of marriage

    To qualify as being racist, I'd have to denigrate my co-ethnics. I mentioned white people twice in that comment. The first time in reference to the opinions of white people, which is normally couched in the clumsy term "Western". The second time in reference to the perceived priorities of...
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    Indonesia set to introduce strict new law banning sex outside of marriage

    The Guardian's article is demonstrative of my critique of white reactions to the law. What is important to the readership of the Guardian, apparently, is that Australian tourists may or may not be inconvenienced/shook down. What is also important is to ensure that a protected class in their...
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