Here but not here

[Drbones666]

I don't know if anyone remembers the brouhaha about Chiropractic at the beginning of this year but all foreign chiropractors suddenly found themselves being raided by the police because of the actions of an illegal employee of one Chinese Malaysian company. I was about to open my own little clinic but that has been squashed. I am now residing in the Philippines where I will be until I know for certain if I can come back and open my own Clinic. In the meantime I will read what is here and keep abreast of what is happening back in Indonesia.

 

[El_Goretto]

Hi DrBones and welcome to the forum!

This is such a shame that you got affected so much by this drama.

As a professional, are you able to shed light on why that patient died at the hand of that chiropractor? Is that really possible?

 

[Drbones666]

There is a push in Indonesia to force out all foreign doctors of all kinds, medical and otherwise. You will note the only chiropractors that remain are local, no foreigners. The chiropractor in question was here working illegally and hired by a company owned by Matt Kahn of Malaysia who I know very well. his company was not properly registered either. He was an easy target. First thing to notice is that this girl died six months before the big media splash. The investigation was headed up by a police chief who is well known for not letting facts get in the way of an investigation or a conviction. The hospital with the autopsy of the six months buried corpse is known for being extremely slipshod. The injuries reported we're more similar to that which you would find in a major auto accident or being thrown down a rocky cliff rather than someone who had had their neck forcefully rotated which if this person was actually a chiropractor would have never done.* When she left on that day she felt fine I would add. Who knows what happened after she left that office?* I should point out my above comment as to the police chief and the hospital come from my Indonesian wife whose father is an ex-police chief. She knows the players in this game well. The Indonesian Medical Association is currently trying to push out foreign medical doctors also but the president of Indonesia is pushing back on that. All in all this is not the time for me to try and open a chiropractic clinic so I will practice here until some sort of legislation is passed and at that time I will make my decision as what to permanently do.

 

[Scooterindo]

When my wife was pregnant we went to see a doctor called Darius Turk for the latest 4D ultrasound - I was surprised to see he was an expat. He explained that he had relinquished his own nationality (think he was a kiwi) in order to be able to practice here.

 

[fastpitch17]

I thought that no non Indonesian citizen doctor is allowed to practice here.

 

[Drbones666]

I'm working on getting citizenship but some years to go.

 

[fastpitch17]

I'm working on getting citizenship but some years to go.

Yes it will be since you are not in Indonesia.

 

[jstar]

I thought that no non Indonesian citizen doctor is allowed to practice here.

No, but there are some special exceptions for WNI who did their medical studies abroad. A kind of professional re-entry program. Which is good (and also necessary). They have similar stipulations for lawyers btw. In many countries that is completely impossible.

 

[El_Goretto]

Damn, that's a crazy story.

I was always under the impression that medical practice was one of those professions expats were not allowed to do here.

 

[Puspawarna]

No, but there are some special exceptions for WNI who did their medical studies abroad. A kind of professional re-entry program. Which is good (and also necessary). They have similar stipulations for lawyers btw. In many countries that is completely impossible.

Wait, are you saying that even Indonesians are sometimes prevented from practicing in Indonesia if they got their medical degree from another country?

 

[jstar]

Yep. But that's rather common; until very recently a Dutch doctor who had studied in Belgium, could not practice in his/her home country. A European nurse can not work in the USA, sometimes not even in other EU countries. A certified pharmacist is not recognized in other countries. Certification and diplomas are often not standardized. And if required they need comparisons of the curriculum.

Between countries they want it reciprocal so that means negotiations and comparisons by specialized committees...

 

[Puspawarna]

I'm no expert, but I'm 99% sure that American doctors can practice medicine in the US regardless of where they attended med school, as long as they pass the medical boards. (Nurses, I am not so sure.)

 

[godmachine12]

Wait, are you saying that even Indonesians are sometimes prevented from practicing in Indonesia if they got their medical degree from another country?

Quality of education, standards, licensing, etc. varies wildly around the world. Most countries have their own certification programmes for this reason. I'm not familiar with the process in Indonesia so maybe someone can elaborate a bit?

 

[fastpitch17]

Foreign educated doctors probably can't pass the Indonesian Medical Boards because the examiners can't understand the technical, scientific based answers they give.

 

[waarmstrong]

Foreign educated doctors probably can't pass the Indonesian Medical Boards because the examiners can't understand the technical, scientific based answers they give.

Or maybe because foreign MDs cannot pass the Masuk Angin section.

 

[Scooterindo]

Or maybe because foreign MDs cannot pass the Masuk Angin section.

That's correct they are also unaware of advanced medical information such as turn off AC and don't drink anything containing ice.

 

[jstar]

I'm no expert, but I'm 99% sure that American doctors can practice medicine in the US regardless of where they attended med school, as long as they pass the medical boards. (Nurses, I am not so sure.)

No really Puspa. They need to follow a recognized training program in a hospital. And that's about three years. That's not all; for a state license you need to jump through some other hoops.

 

[fastpitch17]

Us Doctors. PreMed school, Med School, 3 years Internship, 2 years residency. Alas, I can go practice medicine on my own.