Vaccine effectiveness and Herd Immunity

[Balifrog]

I refuse to use seatbelts or birth control since neither is 100% effective.

Silly compairison. Both have been proved since decades....

 

[Missnaughty]

This is forum is called ExpatIndo, not VirusExperts. So it is weird of you to come here and ask for credentials. If you really need to see credentials to satisfy your questions, I suggest you Google a relevant forum and ask there?



It has been explained to you several times how it can be shown that vaccination reduces death and severe illness. Here is one, earlier in the thread: https://expatindo.org/community/threads/vaccine-effectiveness-and-herd-immunity.6234/#post-79158

That you are unable or refuse to grasp the explanation is your problem. I don't think you are actually this ignorant, so I'm thinking you're trolling.

Seriously?? What’s wrong with you all? I asked a genuine question about how many of you are really in the field.. and all got insulted. It’s nice to know if there are some that indeed working in the field. Lab and research.

Btw, those explanation does not satisfy me. I know how to browse the interenet too..
Do you know why it doesnt satisfy me? Because their explanation never staright forward and there are other opinions agaisnt it that also make sense.

 

[Missnaughty]

I refuse to use seatbelts or birth control since neither is 100% effective.

Do you get a side effect by using seat belt such as heart inflamation, blood clot or death? No. So wear them.. it cost you nothing. It may or may not prevent death.. but you have nothing to lose.

Same goes with birth control.

 

[dafluff]

Do you get a side effect by using seat belt such as heart inflamation, blood clot or death? No. So wear them.. it cost you nothing. It may or may not prevent death.. but you have nothing to lose.

Same goes with birth control.

Your ignorance continues to be astounding. Birth control has side effects which include blood clots, hypertension, and death. It is very rare, and outweigh the benefits, so medical professionals have deemed it safe to use. Same with the Covid vaccine.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/290196

 

[Missnaughty]

Your ignorance continues to be astounding. Birth control has side effects which include blood clots, hypertension, and death. It is very rare, and outweigh the benefits, so medical professionals have deemed it safe to use. Same with the Covid vaccine.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/290196

Funny how my doctor said the new pills have no side effect. But anyway.. I am glad that birth control IS NOT MANDATED as it doesnt give 100% guarantee and have dangerous side effect. People can use condoms

 

[Balifrog]

Funny how my doctor said the new pills have no side effect. But anyway.. I am glad that birth control IS NOT MANDATED as it doesnt give 100% guarantee and have dangerous side effect. People can use condoms

Shock and horror....

 

[Will_M]

Ah yes ... the 100% effective condom ...

 

[dafluff]

Funny how my doctor said the new pills have no side effect.

You should ask for his credentials.

 

[Nimbus]

Ah yes ... the 100% effective condom ...

I’m convinced that if they make the rubber 2mm thick then it will be 100% effective.

 

[Missnaughty]

Yeah.. hope y'all get the point. Don't mandate something that is not 100% AND have dangerous side effect. At least condoms don't get you a blood clot.

Ups... actually condoms can give even more scary dangerous side effect.. the possibility of sending a child support for the rest of your life for that 1 nite in the cloud. So much for 1% risk.

 

[Vulgarian]

I'm telling you, man - Big Seatbelt has their tentacles everywhere.

Incidentally, I heard on the Joe Rogan podcast that tentacles are more effective than seatbelts, but cephalopod voices are being silenced. Think about it. Who's trying to stop you from wrapping yourself in squid? Flarking Big Seatbelt, man.

 

[centurion]

Celibacy is 100% effective.

 

[Balifrog]

Take all this drama with a bit of humor.....

Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) Tweeted: Brilliant https://t.co/wk2kLhj9xe

 

[Hawk256]

Rather lengthy but covers some points that I haven't heard addressed by other articles.

This is not a pandemic of the unvaccinated

To admit that COVID-19 is mutating to evade our vaccines would be politically incorrect, but this appears to be what is happening, writes Dr. Bradley Bundrant.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Balifrog]

And it are those kind of "experts" that we should trust ?

24 Nov :

Covid: Europe region faces 700,000 more deaths by March - WHO

The World Health Organization says the regional death toll could exceed 2.2 million by 1 March.

www.bbc.com

Covid: Europe region faces 700,000 more deaths by March - WHO​

3 December :

Covid: Don't panic about Omicron variant, WHO says

The World Health Organization urges people to be cautious and prepare for the Omicron variant.

www.bbc.com

Covid: Don't panic about Omicron variant, WHO says​

Their imcompetence and lies are the things we should worry about

 

[centurion]

So the news should be: Europe region faces 700.000 more deaths by March, don't panic.

 

[R Cameron]

Their imcompetence and lies are the things we should worry about

What, specifically, do you object to in those two articles?

 

[Balifrog]

What, specifically, do you object to in those two articles?

Their complete contradiction.

The one announcing 700,000 more deaths before March next year being complete BS, not scientifically supported, but based only on some hypothetical mathematical, statistical extrapolation.

The one on "no panic" coming right after all countries have gone back in panic mode (which is obviously the "default" mode nowadays for most governments).

EDIT : Concerning the 700k possible deaths in Europe, remember the mad story in 2020 predicting 500k deaths in the U.K. ?
Absolute nonsense based on "out of the sky" data.

 

[Balifrog]

If those stories are true, and not some "journalistic creation" I shake my head in disbelieve at those people's approach to their own family simply because some are non vaxed....
The world has really fallen very low or gone mad.
Then again, it's pure media stuff, probably (hopefully) a few extreme cases specially chosen because of it.
But still, adding to the confusion !

‘I dread Christmas. My husband won’t get jabbed’: The families split over Covid vaccines as they plan holiday gatherings

We talk to three people faced with moral crisis over reconciling family festivities with the risks posed by coronavirus

www.theguardian.com

 

[Nimbus]

If those stories are true, and not some "journalistic creation" I shake my head in disbelieve at those people's approach to their own family simply because some are non vaxed....
The world has really fallen very low or gone mad.
Then again, it's pure media stuff, probably (hopefully) a few extreme cases specially chosen because of it.
But still, adding to the confusion !

‘I dread Christmas. My husband won’t get jabbed’: The families split over Covid vaccines as they plan holiday gatherings

We talk to three people faced with moral crisis over reconciling family festivities with the risks posed by coronavirus

www.theguardian.com

There’s a lot of problems in the world, but if you expect people to not be concerned and take dramatic measures over a disease that has taken more than 5 million lives, then you’re part of the problem.

Families have been broken over less, like cheating, debt, political differences, etc. Deciding to not visit over a deadly disease is a lot more reasonable in comparison.