Vapes are now haram

[Helpful Herbert]

https://en.tempo.co/read/2123280/mui-issues-fatwa-declaring-vapes-haram

I believe cigarettes were once haram also in the distant past until they decided they enjoyed them too much, so reversed it.

I guess vapes won't be getting their halal certificates!

 

[Hawk256]

As far as I know cigarettes have always been haram in Islam itself but not sure the MUI ever declared it. Like many things in Islam, there may be multiple opinions across the board. Not sure that the MUI decision really means a lot to most Muslims.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

How can cigarettes be haram in Indonesia if two thirds of adult males smoke? Are you saying haram\halal rules are meaningless?

 

[Hawk256]

How can cigarettes be haram in Indonesia if two thirds of adult males smoke? Are you saying haram\halal rules are meaningless?

Just to be clear I am saying that just like any religion there are different levels of dedication by the members. Add into that different opinions of different bodies that may or may not agree with the local bodies and you have different people doing different things and thinking they are right. No different that Catholic and Protestants both being Christians and following different rules. Add in all the other subsets of Christians and you end with things that don't appear to be the same religion all claiming to be the only one that is right.

 

[snpark]

Being a poof is haram now watch trans7 lol everyone mincing around on those shows. All straight? Lol
And so many hijabis in bars actually drinking openly not even wine in a teapot but knocking back cocktails and making an arse of themselves later.

And plenty of muslims eat pork. Jungle tuna

Sex before marriage. Etc etc. Luckily all my gfs are already married lol

 

[harryopal1]

To be haram or not to be haram? The question hardly matters when you look at the huge amounts of money taken by industry and, according to AI,

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• • PT HM Sampoerna Tbk (majority-owned by Philip Morris International): Long ranking as one of the largest and most profitable tobacco operations in the country. [1]
  • PT Djarum (owned by the Hartono brothers, Budi and Michael Hartono): Consistently ranked as the richest family in Indonesia, deriving a massive portion of their multi-billion-dollar empire and investments from the Djarum cigarette business.
  • PT Gudang Garam Tbk (founded by the Wonowidjojo family): Another colossal player pulling in billions of dollars in annual revenue. [1]
  I daresay they have enough lobbying power to ensure that the issue of haram is not pushed by government.

 

[Hawk256]

To be haram or not to be haram? The question hardly matters when you look at the huge amounts of money taken by industry and, according to AI,

• 
  
• 
  
• • PT HM Sampoerna Tbk (majority-owned by Philip Morris International): Long ranking as one of the largest and most profitable tobacco operations in the country. [1]
  • PT Djarum (owned by the Hartono brothers, Budi and Michael Hartono): Consistently ranked as the richest family in Indonesia, deriving a massive portion of their multi-billion-dollar empire and investments from the Djarum cigarette business.
  • PT Gudang Garam Tbk (founded by the Wonowidjojo family): Another colossal player pulling in billions of dollars in annual revenue. [1]
  I daresay they have enough lobbying power to ensure that the issue of haram is not pushed by government.

That's one of the reasons that local decisions may not be taken as seriously. Either way just like any religion there are some that claim to be adherents but don't really follow the rules. And then some may hide it better than others.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

Since Islam seems to be pick and mix, why bother annoying the entire community to interrupt the sleep of elderly people and babies at 4am with 115db foghorns. Why not just say 'get up if you want to and put an alarm clock on if you feel strongly about it'. The practice of using mosque loudspeakers is definitely not halal, because it purposely and knowingly damages the health of vulnerable people, so I hope those speakers do not get a halal certificate.
No other religion has such a plethora of rules which cause such harm. Surely it must be time to reconsider the way it is designed.

 

[harryopal1]

Since Islam seems to be pick and mix, why bother annoying the entire community to interrupt the sleep of elderly people and babies at 4am with 115db foghorns. Why not just say 'get up if you want to and put an alarm clock on if you feel strongly about it'. The practice of using mosque loudspeakers is definitely not halal, because it purposely and knowingly damages the health of vulnerable people, so I hope those speakers do not get a halal certificate.
No other religion has such a plethora of rules which cause such harm. Surely it must be time to reconsider the way it is designed.

Were you to utter these sentiments in some places you might find yourself charged with blasphemy.