Stay Permit Expiry date

[ChrisOnBali]

Hi all, a friend asked me and I don't know the answer, she has an extension to a VOA that says 'STAY PERMIT EXPIRY 08/05/2026'.

The question is, does that mean leave by the end of the 8th of May (which I guess is the case), or by the end of 7th May (which I guess could be argued too) ?

There's nothing else on the permit to say what exactly the date means, if the expiry happens the moment it becomes the 8th, or at the end of that day.

Safer to leave on the 7th but it seems the flights on the 8th are generally cheaper, so it makes more of a difference than just losing a day here.

[Edit] She did the extension the hardcore non-agent way so can't ask them, and can't find anything online one way or the other. I guess I could ask the one I used to use but it's been a while, so I hoped somebody here had come across the question before.

 

[Balifrog]

 

[gemima]

Hi all, a friend asked me and I don't know the answer, she has an extension to a VOA that says 'STAY PERMIT EXPIRY 08/05/2026'.

The question is, does that mean leave by the end of the 8th of May (which I guess is the case), or by the end of 7th May (which I guess could be argued too) ?

There's nothing else on the permit to say what exactly the date means, if the expiry happens the moment it becomes the 8th, or at the end of that day.

Safer to leave on the 7th but it seems the flights on the 8th are generally cheaper, so it makes more of a difference than just losing a day here.

[Edit] She did the extension the hardcore non-agent way so can't ask them, and can't find anything online one way or the other. I guess I could ask the one I used to use but it's been a while, so I hoped somebody here had come across the question before.

She can leave on the 8th. The permits start the day you arrive in and finish on the date they expire (in this case the 8th). You guys are overthinking this.
Even if she overstays 1 day she just needs to pay 1 juta at the airport and they don't make a huge drama out of it.

 

[jstar]

Obviously Gemima is right. Having said that, leaving from Denpasar or Jakarta would not be any problem, but in ‘the provinces’ the local interpretation could be different.

 

[snpark]

I guess the clue is in the wording. Expiry. Leave on or before 8th May
Before they didn't bother putting a date but too many people can't count to 10 3 times or think it starts the day after
The day you enter, even 23.59 as per the egate or your passport, included, so that is day 1, the first day, the next day is 2, etc up to 30, then leave on that day or before.
For extension can be done on the 15th day i.e 14 days after you landed, do it online, instant takes 30 seconds, pay, then you have 48 hours to go to the Immig THEY tell you and do photo, fingerprint, sign and an interview if you look suspect, they will ask you to reconfirm where you stay and what you doing, then by the time you back down in the lobby they already emailed you a PDF of your new extended visa, it very nicely tells you top right when it expires so that is the LATEST day you have to leave or its 1jt a day fine.

To extend you have to show a ticket, as before if you don't have a real one yet just book with Lionair to SG for 3 weeks ahead, paying by ATM, it sends you the ref PRN etc or take a screen shot, you send this as PDF when you do the extension, they accept it, anyway why would you pay for a ticket if you don't have extension confirmed yet so they don't usually ask much on that

Good luck, well anyway you got the extension so yes latest on 8th you have to have passed through immigration as thats where it shows you left, example flight at 5a.m if you go through Immi at 23.59 you have "left"

 

[jstar]

I remember many years ago a forum member got into trouble since the Immigration officer did not buy that ‘go through passport control and thus leave before midnight’ trick.

 

[snpark]

I remember many years ago a forum member got into trouble since the Immigration officer did not buy that ‘go through passport control and thus leave before midnight’ trick.

How. I mean according to the system you have departed legally. Transit lounge etc is exempt. So let's say he went through immigration at 10. Then he flight delayed and they didn't board until 01.00. How do they know he is still "in the country"

Is he liable for overstay and fine. Does an agent come to the gate and collect 1jt.

No. Sorry. That just sounds like a member making a faux pas. He probably got his flight date and time wrong with those funny late night flights and people fly a day late or early.

Years ago you'd see people hanging round the bag belts at 11 killing time to get the extra day and enter after midnight lol.

But yeh that story doesn't make any sense obviously. Feasibly totally impractical. I can't see departure immigration keeping an eye on every flight to make sure they left the same day.

Anyway it wasn't you so it matters not.

 

[centurion]

How. I mean according to the system you have departed legally. Transit lounge etc is exempt. So let's say he went through immigration at 10. Then he flight delayed and they didn't board until 01.00. How do they know he is still "in the country"

Is he liable for overstay and fine. Does an agent come to the gate and collect 1jt.

No. Sorry. That just sounds like a member making a faux pas. He probably got his flight date and time wrong with those funny late night flights and people fly a day late or early.

Years ago you'd see people hanging round the bag belts at 11 killing time to get the extra day and enter after midnight lol.

But yeh that story doesn't make any sense obviously. Feasibly totally impractical. I can't see departure immigration keeping an eye on every flight to make sure they left the same day.

Anyway it wasn't you so it matters not.

If passed the immigration counter, already out of the country.

 

[snpark]

Flight is 00.25am on 24 March. Still so many people on 24 March rolling up to check in early at 9pm lol. Our flight is midnight didn't we do well to be on time

 

[ChrisOnBali]

She can leave on the 8th. The permits start the day you arrive in and finish on the date they expire (in this case the 8th). You guys are overthinking this.
Even if she overstays 1 day she just needs to pay 1 juta at the airport and they don't make a huge drama out of it.

Thanks for clarifying.

Not sure how it's overthinking; 1 juta is 1 juta, a few days food for a backpacker, and would probably blow out of the water the idea of taking the flight on the cheaper day.

Presumably it'd also mean an uncomfortable delay at the airport even if it's routine, and nobody wants to get a black mark on somebody's immigration system however minor, so ideally to be avoided.

 

[ChrisOnBali]

I guess the clue is in the wording. Expiry. Leave on or before 8th May

The clue isn't exactly in the wording though, expiry and a date - it isn't clear if the expiry happens when that date happens, i.e. at 00:01 on the 8th, or at the end of that day - and of course it's English on an Indonesian form so you can't necessarily trust it to mean what it might mean on an English form.

Thanks for confirming though.

Back when I was doing the South East Asia lonely planet circuit I got caught by the 'But I arrived less than 30 x 24 hours ago' thing - the day count starts at 1 day, not zero !

 

[ChrisOnBali]

If passed the immigration counter, already out of the country.

Yep, understood, once you're airside you're no longer in the (or, any) country, she needs to have checked in and got past immigration by the time the extension expires, but could theoretically remain airside awaiting the flight even after it expires.

I used to work doing software for British Airways in an office at T4 right next to some maintenance sheds which backed onto the main runway area, the smoking area for the mechanics was on the other side of the sheds and was technically airside so we'd joke that we had to leave the country just to go for a cigarette.