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From https://www.project-syndicate.org/o...y-daron-acemoglu-and-michael-j-sandel-2026-03
Title : Reclaiming Democracy From the Market , Mar 6, 2026
Michael J. Sandel (Professor of Government at Harvard University) interviewed by Daron Acemoglu (Professor of Economics at MIT)

Poster's Note : The following is only a part of the interview .

Meritocracy promised a fairer society, but instead it has deepened the divide between winners and losers and eroded the dignity of work. As AI reorders economies and concentrates power in fewer and fewer hands, the question is no longer whether democracy needs saving, but whether we can save it in time.

With widening inequality fueling populist anger, and AI threatening to displace human labor, .. how democracy can be revitalized before the damage becomes irreversible...

DA: .. your 2020 book The Tyranny of Merit, in which you argue that American society has organized itself around a meritocratic ideal, placing enormous emphasis on people .. rising to the top through talent, even though we know we don’t live in a fully meritocratic society.

MS: .. we usually think of merit as a good thing.. Compared to hereditary privilege, cronyism, and corruption, merit is certainly an improvement..

But over the past 5 decades, the divide between winners and losers has deepened, poisoning our politics and pulling us apart. This is due partly to widening income and wealth inequalities, and partly to the attitudes toward success that have accompanied them .. if chances are equal, the winners deserve their winnings. But .. we all know that chances are not truly equal. We don’t live in a perfect meritocracy .. Meritocracy has a dark side. Even a fully realized meritocracy would corrode the common good. It would lead the successful to take too much credit for their success, forgetting their good fortune and their indebtedness to those who made their achievements possible..

.. At a time when enormous rewards and prestige go to those who manage money rather than those who produce tangible goods, many working people feel that their contributions are undervalued (a casino mogul earns 5,000 times more than a nurse or a schoolteacher).

That hierarchy of honor undermines the dignity of work. Work is not only a way of making a living; it is also a way of contributing to the common good and earning social recognition and esteem for doing so...

.. If we believe in the dignity of work, can we justify taxing labor income at higher rates than capital gains and dividends? ..

.. The role of finance in capitalism, correct me if I’m wrong, is to allocate capital to socially useful and productive activities, like investments in factories, hospitals, schools, roads, and airports. But much of today’s financial activity consists of speculative bets on the future value of existing assets, some of which were created for that exact purpose.

.. (the) chair of the United Kingdom’s Financial Services Authority after the 2008 crash, once estimated that 85% of bank credit in advanced economies like the US and Britain is used to finance speculative rather than productive activities.

That suggests there’s a lot of room to tax and discourage non-productive and wasteful financial activities while protecting those who contribute to the real economy..

DA: It’s a difficult subject because things aren’t completely open and shut..

MS: Before we leave the question of productive versus unproductive finance, consider the recent explosion of prediction markets. We can now bet on whether, two days from now, the temperature in Boston will exceed 0° Celsius. Or consider the proliferation of sports betting. Is that productive?

DA: Obviously, inequality is both an economic problem and a philosophical one..

MS: There are three kinds of inequality. The first is economic inequality..
The second kind of inequality concerns political participation, as big money can crowd out citizens’ voices. With the campaign-finance system we have in the US, that is almost guaranteed to remain a persistent problem.
And the third kind of inequality is inequality of recognition and esteem...

Democracy does not require perfect equality, but it does require that people from different social backgrounds and classes encounter one another in their everyday lives. This is how we learn to negotiate and live with our differences, and how we come to care for the common good.

.. most Americans feel that their voice doesn’t matter, that politicians don’t listen to them or care what they think ..

.. I’m truly free only if I have a meaningful say in shaping the forces that govern our collective life .. A purely market-driven, consumerist conception of freedom lacks that.

..The concentration of power in the economy, especially in the tech industry, .. These firms wield immense political power, and they are shaping the direction of technology itself, with far-reaching implications for how we communicate, receive information, and engage with one another.

DA: Another aspect of disempowerment is the sense that technology is entirely out of our control and moving in a direction that will reshape our lives, eliminating work or changing its meaning ...
 
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...the question is no longer whether democracy needs saving, but whether we can save it in time

Who determined that it's even WORTH saving in it's current 'form'? Surely 'democracy' is just theatre at the national level, and even local bodies are easily corrupted.
 
The arguments against democracy are a bit like the arguments against the United Nations. The UN does not have a serious interventionist approach to national injustices and it not likely to save the world. That said it is still better to have a UN where countries can meet, debate and potentially resolve many issues which otherwise would not be addressed. Democracy is a flawed system but offers civil freedoms and possibilties for progress which are often inhibited by dictatorships or authoritarian states. China has made staggering progress but personally I would not care to live in that kind of Orwellian country with its monitoring and social credits system.
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Who determined that it's even WORTH saving in it's current 'form'? Surely 'democracy' is just theatre at the national level, and even local bodies are easily corrupted.
It's worked before and ideally it will get back on track before too long and too late. It's much preferable to the alternatives. That's for the US. It may actually currently work as advertised in other places.
 
Who determined that it's even WORTH saving in it's current 'form'? Surely 'democracy' is just theatre at the national level, and even local bodies are easily corrupted.
What was that quote about democracy ? - something along the lines that it's the very worst political system, except for all the others.

I can't think of a superior alternative, and don't think anyone else has come up with one either; but how on earth it can be made to be genuinely fair and truly representative without power-hungry megalomaniacs subverting it for their own purposes is proving to be rather tricky.

Parts of the world that don't even pretend to be trying to reach that goal will probably be the death of us anyway, even if we achieve it.

Perhaps we need Michael Rennie and his big silver sidekick to come and enforce it upon us.

The old Simpsons gag about "I, for one welcome our new robotic overlords" is sounding like a more attractive prospect year on year; an essentially benign, nurturing occupation by representatives of some all-powerful galactic council would be pretty welcome at this point !
 
That suggests there’s a lot of room to tax and discourage non-productive and wasteful
financial activities while protecting those who contribute to the real economy..

It's always stuck me that one of the biggest problems we have at least in terms of commerce is the way that businesses insert themselves between people that have things/talents and people that want them, and get very rich by just being an intermediary, far more so than the people that actually have what other people want.

Booking.com, Amazon and the like are prime examples, but it's in every walk of life.

This means that there's far more incentive for people to look for ways to insert themselves between customer and supplier, and far less incentive to develop talents and ideas that actually benefit other people. Why spend all that time learning a craft or experimenting to invent something if you can just leech of the people that do, and then scale it up and make a shitload of money without really adding anything to the 'innovative wealth' of society.

In the 'old days' if I needed my horse's shoe replaced I'd go to the local blacksmith, or to the one I prefer if there are more than one; I'd pay for the service, no intermediary required. I get a fair price for the material, time and skill of the blacksmith, he gets the full rate I paid, all good.

The internet gives us the ability to communicate such that we could have at least some equivalent of this direct commerce, without intermediaries.

But of course, 'business people' realised they could get their oar in and extract a cut for adding very little value, and us fools let them do it by using their services; and so we have Amazon, Booking.com and the like, and a society where the greatest rewards are to be had by finding an angle, exploit a loophole or come up with a way to sneak yourself into something that you're really not needed in, but can in some way make yourself appear indispensable; rather than a society that encourages innovation and creativity, and rewards it.

Caveat: I don't view finding loopholes/sneaky angles as creativity or innovation, I mean coming up with things that are genuinely useful or beautiful, things that people actually want rather than just services they are forced to use to get what they want, things that benefit society rather than just benefiting the person that comes up with the cunning wheeze to make themselves rich on the backs of other people's innovation/talent.

I can't help feeling that society would be much improved if the people who did the creating/inventing/producing were more rewarded for their efforts and the people that want to freeload on their skills/talents were cut out as much as possible, since they don't really add anything that can't be achieved by communications technology and shipping companies, which do need to be paid for, but not so much so that they take more value than the easily replaceable, non-innovative service they provide.

How that can be made to come about, no idea of course, just blabbering on about a pet peeve really.
 
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The convenience of being able to go on line, find an item, order it and have it delivered rather than travelling around to different venues is a major factor in the success of businesses such as Amazon. But their greed has no bounds and the trap of offering"free delivery" led many people into accepting this offer only to find that they have paid to become Amazon members with an automatically debited annual fee. Many companies now offer "free trial" which is an appalling trick that at the end of the trial period automatically rolls over into ongoing withdrawals for membership. Supposedly you can cancel but often the websites are designed to make this extremely difficult. I no longer use Amazon and do not sign up for 'free trials."

A few years ago Tokopedia was a great source for easy shopping with quick and low cost delivery but it has gone to the dogs. I recently ordered a blue tooth headset. The supplier packed it quickly and it arrived in Bali, where I live, a few days later. Three weeks later I am still awaiting delivery. Tokopedia later posted a note saying, "Thank you for your patience but due to Ramadan delivery is delayed." A pity they were not up front with this as you looked to place an order. If you now look at reviews Tokopedia has terrible ratings.

If I am looking to make an accommodation booking I prefer to try and find a point of direct contact rather than using an internet intermediary. Some of these organizations hold on to your payment for up to a year before passing it on to the accommodation provider.
 
I did have, but removed, a paragraph about how I used to buy stuff online in the 1990s, the 'CIX' message board had a 'vendor' area where people could post messages saying things like "PQMF ACME XYZ123 dongle', the acronym being for 'Please Quote Me For'.

Sellers sent quotes by private message, you'd accept one or none in reply, sort out shipping and bingo, other than the small fee for being a CIXen in general, no intermediaries other than the vendor themselves of course, but CIX didn't take a cut and the prices were very competitive.

It was a pretty small community so high-trust, which is an issue that'd have to be looked at with scaling it up but that's a decent model to start with, no reason why folk in the ACME factory couldn't be in the loop and provide direct without a vendor involved.

Yeah, Tokopedia and Shopee... they can be really bloody annoying ! - I'm ashamed to say I use, or at least have used them a fair bit, initially on living here I'd do the rounds of shops so as to keep the money in the local economy but eventually after much frustration I erred more on the online side, so something of a hypocrite here ! :)

The final straw was touring Renon just trying to find some teak oil, must have visited half a dozen places over a long hot afternoon but no luck, not a drop; but of course 2 minutes on Shopee and there you go. I'm not suggesting we shouldn't have online purchases, it is super-convenient and in theory a very efficient low-overhead route from producer to customer, but ideally not via some massive company that gets a monopoly (or shares one with a handful of others) and takes out way more than they put in.

Having said that, now I've been here a few years I know where I can find things I want, particularly with tools and stuff like teak oil and screws and nuts and bolts and other specialised little bit of metal etc, so that habit has been gradually reversing.

If I am looking to make an accommodation booking
Yes indeed, I know a few people who run small hotels/manage villas and the way that booking.com, tripadvisor etc got their hooks into that whole market what, 20 yearsish ago is a huge annoyance. All the prospective customers go to these sites so my friends are forced to use them, abide by their rules, conform to their often unreasonable strictures, pay their sometimes eye-watering fees and as you say, hold on to those fees for as long as they fancy etc etc.

If I want to consider a place from afar, a hotel or restaurant, say; I want to see their web site, not their entry on a leech site, but it's increasingly hard to find, many places don't bother having their own site or just use a FaceBook account (which I refuse to use) or rely on their tripadvisor entry (same).

Maybe a part of the solution might lie in a tax system that penalised businesses that deal in products/services that they don't themselves originate; probably way too simplistic and no doubt would adversely affect a whole load of genuinely well-meaning enterprises; but there has to be a legislative at-least-part solution surely.
 
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A few years ago Tokopedia was a great source for easy shopping with quick and low cost delivery but it has gone to the dogs. I recently ordered a blue tooth headset. The supplier packed it quickly and it arrived in Bali, where I live, a few days later. Three weeks later I am still awaiting delivery. Tokopedia later posted a note saying, "Thank you for your patience but due to Ramadan delivery is delayed." A pity they were not up front with this as you looked to place an order. If you now look at reviews Tokopedia has terrible ratings.
Three weeks is much too long to wait for your order to arrive, very frustrating. But to be fair, this is not Tokopedia's fault. 3 weeks is not a regular 'holiday late delivery'. At this stage your order is probably lost in Limbo and the courier is to blame for that. On the other hand, Tokopedia should have a better agreement with 3rd party couriers to offer a better service to customers and a quick money back guarantee in cases like yours.
Personally I prefer Shopee because of their policy on easy returning stuff that doesn't meet expectations. Even after opening and trying the product, you can just send it back for free. Do note that the seller will then be paying for 2 way shipping, be kind.
If I am looking to make an accommodation booking I prefer to try and find a point of direct contact rather than using an internet intermediary. Some of these organizations hold on to your payment for up to a year before passing it on to the accommodation provider.
Usually I book hotels using Agoda app, it's just so easy to compare hotels and their prices. I wish hotels could come together and make a user friendly app which gives them their fair share of the transaction.
 
Yep, Shopee are good with returns, having bought a few expensive items through them in the last year or two I'm blessed with platinum-demigod-VIP-superbeing status or whatever they call it. The barest mention of wanting a return and the money is refunded to my account instantly and return approved before the vendor gets to agree or not.

Handy when, as is often the case, you order something and what arrives is dramatically different; same sort of item, but definitely not what's in the photo; being able to reject it and re-order from elsewhere right away knowing that you won't end up with 2 of them is good.

Similarly when an item is 'delivered' but the proof-of photo is of the package with a brick wall in the background (we don't have a brick wall) and the lat/long co-ordinates encoded into the image are somewhere several kilometers away !
 
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Many sellers on Shopee enforce a No Unboxing Video? No Refund! policy. Which really sucks esp. if you’re by yourself and it‘s complicated to unpack.

In a country as the Philippines the Department of Trade and Industry has stated that this violates a consumer act and that it is not legal. Over here? Pfff.

With these sites like Shopee you need to be aware there are many promotional days. Often the pay day (salary, so the 25th) of each month and harbolnas on 12 December. Then there are arbitrary ‘national shopping days’ which are mostly on identical date/month as 3rd of March, 4th of April, 5th of May….. you get the drift; 3-3 4-4 5-5 etc.
 

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