Indonesia set to introduce strict new law banning sex outside of marriage

[Balifrog]

If this trajectory continues, it may only be a matter of time before it reaches its ultimate outcome

That's why, as an expat, wherever you are, you always need to be ready to pack and leave on short notice.
Unlikely sharia arrives in Bali but if it did it would mean a religious war between Hindous (who are as fanatic as the other side) and for a foreigner the result would be same....
Hop in the plane !

 

[Pak Tani]

Well, if you live in Indonesia’s Aceh province, the consequences can be far harsher, such as stoning to death. Throughout this forum, substantial evidence has been presented and multiple links shared showing that some individuals, politicians, and political parties in Indonesia support expanding Shariah law nationwide. If this trajectory continues, it may only be a matter of time before it reaches its ultimate outcome.

So they are stoning people to death now in Aceh? Could you please enlighten us about the laws governing this practice and the cases where it has occurred?

 

[pantaiema]

So they are stoning people to death now in Aceh? Could you please enlighten us about the laws governing this practice and the cases where it has occurred?

I said that it can be, not that it will be.
Stoning to death is the most severe form of punishment for 'zina', but there are varying levels of penalties. Under Shariah law, lesser punishments for 'zina' has been carried out in Aceh.; for example, public lashes/caning in front of crowds of spectators.

 

[Pak Tani]

I said that it can be, not that it will be.
Stoning to death is the most severe form of punishment for 'zina', but there are varying levels of penalties. Under Shariah law, lesser punishments for 'zina' has been carried out in Aceh.; for example, public lashes/caning in front of crowds of spectators.

If you say people can be stoned to death for zina in Aceh, you imply there are laws in place that regulate this punishment. Please enlighten us about these laws.

 

[pantaiema]

If you say people can be stoned to death for zina in Aceh, you imply there are laws in place that regulate this punishment. Please enlighten us about these laws.

Shariah Law is applied in Aceh. Stoning to death (e.g Rajm, Rajam in Indonesian) is part of Shariah law a punishment for 'zina' (adultery), still not obvious?

 

[Pak Tani]

Shariah Law is applied in Aceh. Stoning to death (e.g Rajm, Rajam in Indonesian) is part of Shariah law a punishment for 'zina' (adultery), still not obvious?

The presence of banks dealing with interest is just one of the many examples that Aceh only partially applies shari'ah law. So no, it is not obvious.
What are the laws in Aceh that regulate the punishment of stoning someone to death for zina?

 

[pantaiema]

The presence of banks dealing with interest is just one of the many examples that Aceh only partially applies shari'ah law. So no, it is not obvious.
What are the laws in Aceh that regulate the punishment of stoning someone to death for zina?

It is called Shariah Law. ...

 

[Pak Tani]

It is called Shariah Law. ...

As mentioned earlier, Aceh has implemented some Shari'ah laws and other laws it has not implemented. So my question still stands.

 

[harryopal1]

As mentioned earlier, Aceh has implemented some Shari'ah laws and other laws it has not implemented. So my question still stands.

Perhaps you could run a test case by going to Aceh, committing adultery and when they order 10 lashes of the cane in public you can demand of the court, "What about stoning to death"?

 

[Pak Tani]

Perhaps you could run a test case by going to Aceh, committing adultery and when they order 10 lashes of the cane in public you can demand of the court, "What about stoning to death"?

I looked it up for you since this convo is going nowhere. There is no stoning to death in Aceh for commiting adultery. The governor of Aceh was against it and besides that it would violate the Indonesian Constitution and international human rights treaties.

 

[Balifrog]

Stoning was done in Saudi in the 80's (I spend some time there on a project).
But they became modern, no more all the neighbours throwing stones, they just dumped a truckload of gravel on her with a dumptruck.
Ya can't stop progress....
Not sure what about nowadays.
Concerning Aceh, I doubt they apply it fully here...but I am not going to argue 10 posts on it.....

 

[Helpful Herbert]

.. it would violate the Indonesian Constitution and international human rights treaties.

Pretty sure that shariah law violates both, and also the pancasila

 

[Balifrog]

Pretty sure that shariah law violates both, and also the pancasila

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[Hawk256]

I said that it can be, not that it will be.
Stoning to death is the most severe form of punishment for 'zina', but there are varying levels of penalties. Under Shariah law, lesser punishments for 'zina' has been carried out in Aceh.; for example, public lashes/caning in front of crowds of spectators.

I'm not going to get into another one with you but even if they fully followed old school Shariah law there would need to be 2 male or 4 female witnesses that saw the act in progress. If you didn't have that, you didn't have a case and you could be punished for making accusations that you can't prove. Even in the old days, stoning were not that common for zina. It sound very dramatic but it just didn't happen that often,

 

[Bob]

Well, if you live in Indonesia’s Aceh province, the consequences can be far harsher, such as stoning to death. Throughout this forum, substantial evidence has been presented and multiple links shared showing that some individuals, politicians, and political parties in Indonesia support expanding Shariah law nationwide. If this trajectory continues, it may only be a matter of time before it reaches its ultimate outcome.

What have they stoned anyone for?
Thanks for the usual alarmist propaganda.

 

[Bob]

This is the core issue with this new law. In the past, these individuals could not be detained because they were neither engaged in prostitution nor violating public decency laws.

Under the new law, even if enforcement is inconsistent or selectively applied; legal spouses, adult family member who oppose such relationships, along with religious extremists acting in cooperation with them, can report consenting adults to law enforcement. Moreover, in families where relationships are already strained or disputes over wealth exist, this can be exploited by family members' as grounds for blackmail or extortion. An individual involved in prostitution or gold digging aided by family members (may involve collaboration with law enforcers) may attempt to set up honey trap for blackmail and financial extortion.

This sets a troubling precedent, allowing adults (e.g legal spouses, parents or children) to interfere in the private lives of other adults. It also raises a fundamental question: what is the purpose of having an age of consent if adults can still be criminalised for their private behaviour where consenting adult are involved and no victims ? In most liberal democratic and human rights based frameworks; banning consensual sexual relations between unmarried adults is widely considered a fundamental breach of civil liberty.

I believe he said they’d been detained as in already in the recent past under existing laws and not at all tied to the new law which will have minimal effect.

 

[Bob]

It is called Shariah Law. ...

That’s like an American answering ‘what is this law against speeding that you’re on about’ with ‘uh, it’s a state law’ It means your bluff has been called.

 

[serious_fun]

Getting stoned is already illegal, yes? Seems like double jeopardy.

 

[centurion]

Stoning is legal in Afganistan, Brunei, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen.

All these countries have one common denominator.

 

[Hawk256]

Stoning is legal in Afganistan, Brunei, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen.

All these countries have one common denominator.

And practically none of them actually use it as punishment.
Here is the current status of stoning laws and practice in each country:

• Afghanistan: Stoning has been reinstated as a form of punishment by the Taliban since their return to power in August 2021. In 2024, the Taliban leader publicly affirmed that stoning for adultery would be resumed, and there have been reports of both official and extrajudicial stonings occurring.
• Brunei: A Sharia Penal Code that includes mandatory death by stoning for offenses like adultery and consensual same-sex relations was implemented in 2019. However, the Sultan has declared a de facto moratorium on all death penalties, and no executions have been carried out since 1957.
• Iran: Stoning remains in the penal code as a possible punishment for adultery. While a judicial moratorium was announced in 2002, instances of stonings have been documented since then, and the punishment can still be imposed at a judge's discretion.
• Mauritania: Stoning is a legal punishment for certain offenses, including consensual homosexual activity for men and adultery for married individuals. However, the country has observed a de facto moratorium on the death penalty since 1987, and no stonings have been officially carried out in decades.
• Nigeria: Stoning is a potential punishment in the twelve northern states that adopted Sharia penal codes. While several people have been sentenced to death by stoning, none of these sentences have been carried out, as they are typically overturned on appeal. Extrajudicial stonings by mobs have been reported.
• Pakistan: Stoning for adultery or rape was introduced into law in 1979, but no official state-sanctioned stoning executions have ever been carried out. However, extrajudicial or tribal court-ordered stonings have occurred in remote, tribal areas.
• Qatar: Stoning is a legal form of punishment in Qatar's penal code, but it is widely believed that no stonings have actually taken place.
• Saudi Arabia: Adultery is punishable by stoning under Sharia law, which is the basis of the legal system. There are no confirmed accounts of stonings in the past decade, but courts have issued such sentences, which are sometimes commuted.
• Somalia: Stoning occurs more regularly in Somalia, primarily in areas controlled by Islamist militant groups such as Al-Shabaab. These are often extrajudicial executions, not necessarily part of a unified state legal system.
• Sudan: Stoning is an obligatory sentence for certain crimes, such as adultery, under the 1991 Criminal Act. Sentences have been handed down in recent years, but have generally been overturned on appeal due to a lack of fair trial standards or a de facto moratorium that existed for a period.
• Yemen: Stoning is the prescribed legal punishment for adultery and homosexuality (for married men) under the 1994 penal code. No known stonings have taken place within the formal legal system, but it remains a legitimate form of punishment in law.