Woman can not adopt abandoned child because she is not of majority religion.

[Fred]

Can we conclude that Islam indeed violates UN declaration of human rights in term of freedom of association and freedom of religion? If you can't quit a religion, where's the freedom?

Does it matter to you, and does it matter to the vast majority?
A very few people want to change a country or religion, but most of them are nothing to do with it anyway, many just being big mouths with enough hot air to strip paint off a car, but absolutely no brain to work out how daft their argument is, that effectively being to deny the rights of the majority of Muslims because the bigot's tiny mind is too pea sized to realise they're being a clueless daft pillock.

 

[Dan]

I have children, all of whom are baptized Christians, and istri ku is (nominally) Muslim. Are you saying that someone or some agency would interfere with my family's choice(s) because of the mixed-religion household?

First, there's no agency in Indonesia that would interfere with your family on those grounds. You have to be of the same religion officially to GET married, but I don't think it's true that you have to be to STAY married. I imagine it would be considered grounds for divorce if say, your wife suddenly became a pious Muslimah. Sounds like you're OK there.

What I am speaking of is how the shari'a is applied to mixed marriages in Islam. If you are a Christian, and you have married a Muslim woman, this is not permitted in Islam. A Muslim man may choose a Christian or Jewish wife, but a Muslim woman must marry a Muslim man. The assumption in Islamic law is that the children will take the religion of the father (patriarchy), and in your case it appears to have been that way.

The only way I could ever maybe even slightly consider this to be a problem for you in Indonesia is if you live in a particularly conservative portion of the country and some bitter relative stirred up local sentiment against you. That wouldn't be any government organ, just a mob.

Even at home in Aceh this would be so much of a distant long shot that I would consider it nearly impossible. So again, no worries.

 

[DzulnSiti]

I have children, all of whom are baptized Christians, and istri ku is (nominally) Muslim. Are you saying that someone or some agency would interfere with my family's choice(s) because of the mixed-religion household?

I hope you do not take hard what I am going to say. I just state the fact in the muslim law. In islam view, any muslim who married non muslim have done sin. The child is pure and the the sin is fall only to the parent. The outcome of a child is he/she can not have receive heritance from the muslim parent(if brought in Makamah Syariah). If the child is a girl and come to age and if she still a muslim and going to married a muslim then the father have no right to "give a away", must use wali hakim. If the father insist to give a away then the married not lawfull, the parent have made the daughter done the same sin as they were and the circle continue. Faith is important in marriage, people can swindle a person or persons but noy Mighty God who see all and know all. What go around will come around.

 

[William King]

I worked with a student last year who was quite disturbed and being radicalised at a local bimbel that openly discriminated against 'chinese looking' students.

Obviously there is a whole host of factors that goes into a profile like that, but part of this young man's issue was his father and mother had different religions and he was struggling to come to terms with that. He had turned to his mother's religion, and was rejecting his father and angry. (both parents were Indonesian, btw)

Now, obviously, not all children in mixed religion marriages are like this, but this young man was susceptible to the radicalisation, since it feed into his anger and turned it into hate.





*ETA - we did not succeed with this child, he grew more angry and more hateful, and we lost him. One of those times when one needs to admit that we cannot save the world, only try and hope.

 

[serious_fun]

thanks for all the replies.

 

[Asun]

Does it matter to you, and does it matter to the vast majority?
A very few people want to change a country or religion, but most of them are nothing to do with it anyway, many just being big mouths with enough hot air to strip paint off a car, but absolutely no brain to work out how daft their argument is, that effectively being to deny the rights of the majority of Muslims because the bigot's tiny mind is too pea sized to realise they're being a clueless daft pillock.

The majority by and large can protect their own point of view or way of life. It is the minority that needs protection. That's the essence of rule of law and democracy.

 

[Fred]

I worked with a student last year who was quite disturbed and being radicalised at a local bimbel that openly discriminated against 'chinese looking' students.

There are places like this, deliberately using 'education' to target kids for radicalisation.
It's a nasty hobby that is very much aimed at destabilising Indonesia.