Suicides

The methods some people choose to end it puzzle me. Jump in front of a train.... ouch. Self immolation.... oww the pain. I read of an account of someone accidentally drowning, being resuscitated and saying that after taking in the first total lungful of water it was quite peaceful. But it's that holding on to your breath struggle that worries me. And as for jumping off a very tall building and.... halfway down.... I've changed my mind.
 
Yes, I remember seeing some of the above, that a base income of say $70,000 U.S.for a family of 4, after this there are big diminishing returns and one person pointed out how making a large purchase will tend to boost a person's happiness for about 9 months and a shorter amount of time for smaller purchases. I guess this can keep people purchasing.

I remember watching a program reviewing some aspects of the country that rated #1 for happiness that year. They compared some aspects to the States culture. They also interviewed a Harvard psychologist who said the States had a different ethos where it was more about being #1 and that translated into who has the most.

However, people with money struggle with some of the same issues as everyone else.
 
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I won’t go into too much detail, but when I was three I fell down a well, l basically drown, my mother pulled me out and being a Nurse brought me round, then I got pneumonia and nearly died again, at 11 I was down the river swimming or learning to swim with my school mates, they swam across the river and I followed, they told me not to swim back as they weren’t impressed with my efforts and walk over the bridge,the bridge was a long walk, but no, I tried to swim, didn’t make it, the next thing I remember is on the river bank and coughing and choking, and one of my mates bringing me round, anyway the odd thing is that the actual drowning doesn’t hurt, I noticed that the sky appears incredibly blue and gradually goes dark, I wouldn’t recommend it if anyone is thinking about it
 
Felicity said:
I would say money can buy happiness. Positive psychology has some researches about it. Money is a tool, in this material world combines with a material tool, why can't it be synergistic? Maybe there's something not right in how people use it.
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I can see you have a real interest in Psychology.
 
Anglian said:
I won’t go into too much detail, but when I was three I fell down a well, l basically drown, my mother pulled me out and being a Nurse brought me round, then I got pneumonia and nearly died again, at 11 I was down the river swimming or learning to swim with my school mates, they swam across the river and I followed, they told me not to swim back as they weren’t impressed with my efforts and walk over the bridge,the bridge was a long walk, but no, I tried to swim, didn’t make it, the next thing I remember is on the river bank and coughing and choking, and one of my mates bringing me round, anyway the odd thing is that the actual drowning doesn’t hurt, I noticed that the sky appears incredibly blue and gradually goes dark, I wouldn’t recommend it if anyone is thinking about it
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Anglian, it sounds like you have been giving others, and yourself, grief from the get go.:smile:
 
Daniel50 said:
I can see you have a real interest in Psychology.
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Don't we all? Actually I'm on a mission to spread 'psychologism' :spy:

R Cameron said:
Studies show that money does buy happiness, but only up to about 75,000usd per year, above that there is really no difference: http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2019628,00.html
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Yes that is consistent with some researches I have read. One of them was conducted in New Zealand, and the conclusion is that people in the upper quartile (NZ$ 125,000) tend to feel plateu.(www.psychology.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/Sibley4.pdf)

So then why do people with higher income (I assume those subjects OP mentioned had high income than average) tend to feel less happy? Another study from Alan B.Krueger (economist) and Daniel Kahneman (the psychologist) mentioned it has correlation with how people spend more time in particularly enjoyable activities. (https://www.princeton.edu/news/2006/06/29/link-between-income-and-happiness-mainly-illusion)

Maybe those people were so busy, or even worse, burnt out with their jobs, or something else that they didn't really enjoy doing it and couldn't have a break. I feel that sometimes. It's like even you do your hobby, what you enjoy doing it, what you passionate about, but it does have a climax and needs to slow down a little bit to find the enjoyment again. Some people might trapped in the circumstance and keep doing it until the level of stress tolerance reached and become unbearable.

I hope everyone is at their optimum well-being at the moment.:grouphug:
 
I have to agree Daniel, I had never really thought about my drowning episodes and I think about the first time I’ve ever really mentioned it, but what is really odd, failing down the well was at Newcastle during the war while visiting my grandparents, while the family was there, some German gentlemen dropped a bomb on our house in Norwich, so saved again to annoy people
 
During the "troubles" in Northern Island I believe the suicide rates were lower than most of the UK. The excitement of bombs going off, assassinations and shootings provided an excitement at living near the edge. Boredom it seems sets the tone for suicide.
 
My mate in the UK topped himself because his girlfriend left him for someone else. It was shocking at the time as we were in our late teens. I often think about him and wonder what might have happened if only he had used the support mechanism of us, his mates. It was such a waste, any one else perhaps would have blubbed for a while maybe gone out got drunk, maybe had a fling with someone new to "recover" or at least mask the pain. I will never judge a suicide as I have come to the conclusion some people are mentally stronger than others to deal with certain things in life.
 
harryopal said:
During the "troubles" in Northern Island I believe the suicide rates were lower than most of the UK. The excitement of bombs going off, assassinations and shootings provided an excitement at living near the edge. Boredom it seems sets the tone for suicide.
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Lack of external excitement.... Boredom..... Leads to killing themselves.

I'm not sure how to respond to this. *pensive*
 
Intrinsic in the nature of boredom iis a senses of purposelessness. It seems we all strive to find meaning in life. The "troubles" provided purpose and meaning. In the absence of answers to the fundamental riddle of "what is life for?" comes despair.
 
Maybe I should move to Damascus. Might beat being bored to death.
I wonder why there are not more suicides in Jakarta "rush hour" traffic; thank God for YouTube, perhaps?
 
harryopal said:
Intrinsic in the nature of boredom iis a senses of purposelessness. It seems we all strive to find meaning in life. The "troubles" provided purpose and meaning. In the absence of answers to the fundamental riddle of "what is life for?" comes despair.
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Those are some interesting thoughts on boredom. Some people definitely seem to experience boredom more then others.
 
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We’ve mentioned wealth and poverty, family problems, but the one that gets me is the soldiers who are failing to get treatment for PTSD, every week we read a soldier has committed suicide, I know my uncle contemplated it after WW 2, even at 80 years old he had reocurring nightmares, he always dreamt he had to blow up a bridge while German tanks were advancing, he had to wait till the tanks were on the bridge and blow it,but British artillery opened up and the tanks retreated, but the horror to him of killing so many men haunted him, he did get treatment but his was 80 then, I don’t know how many soldiers committed suicide after the last war, but the horrors of war are the same in any war
 
waarmstrong said:
Maybe I should move to Damascus. Might beat being bored to death.
I wonder why there are not more suicides in Jakarta "rush hour" traffic; thank God for YouTube, perhaps?
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You will hardly get killed by a car travelling at 0.2kmh
 
Anglian said:
We’ve mentioned wealth and poverty, family problems, but the one that gets me is the soldiers who are failing to get treatment for PTSD, every week we read a soldier has committed suicide, I know my uncle contemplated it after WW 2, even at 80 years old he had reocurring nightmares, he always dreamt he had to blow up a bridge while German tanks were advancing, he had to wait till the tanks were on the bridge and blow it,but British artillery opened up and the tanks retreated, but the horror to him of killing so many men haunted him, he did get treatment but his was 80 then, I don’t know how many soldiers committed suicide after the last war, but the horrors of war are the same in any war
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Yes, war can really screw some people up, that is for sure. War, some police, ambulance, some kids in very abusive families etc etc etc can experience ongoing effects of their experiences, that is for sure. And with that some also struggle with depression and/or substance use. Some struggle because of grief/loss, accidents, homicides/suicides. Some struggle with depression without external things that effect us. There depression can be quite severe and can start at an early age.
 
I thought there's such a thing like Crisis Hotline for suicidal attempt, or something similar, especially in wealthy country? I wonder if it helps.
I tried to 'reach out' once when I was in Australia, but it gave me chat box. I didn't try the phone line thought. Which usually people in 'crisis' state hesitant to make a phone call. But won't expect to chat with a robot either. If I were somebody else, I might end up killing myself.
 
I guess the next step is that the automated "crisis" line responds with:

Please listen to our privacy policy before continuing. (7 minutes.)

If you are planning to kill yourself by hanging press 1

If you are using poison press 2

If you are jumping from a bridge press 3

If you are jumping from a tall building press 4

If you are shooting yourself press 5 for information about gun licences.

If you simply want to abuse an advice consultant please hang up.
 
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