I finally got KITAP - yaayy

[waarmstrong]

KTP OA is for all foreigners on any kind of KITAP.
Yes there is a fine when you are late applying but in general you can go request your KTP OA without getting sanctioned. Often they have a backlog, short of cards etc so they don't really bother you. Personally I don't see why we all need that card. It's free and the only advantages is when you would like to get a driver's license or a loan. For the rest your eKITAP will be sufficient.
In case you get asked for your KTP, you still can say you weren't aware of it. When you ask imigrasi, most of them don't even know about the fact if it is required or not. It's not an imigrasi document so. I don't have one and if I need to pay a fine of 2 jt, I am fine with it.

Yes, small things like a driver's license, coupled with a manageable fine. Why bother?

 

[Saudade]

Applied for my VITAS 8 weeks ago took 4 weeks to get my KITAS. I'm 3 weeks into my KITAP and will go next week for fingerprints and photos. Should have my KITAP the following week. Total time from VITAS application to KITAS application to KITAP approval 10 weeks.

And how much did you pay please, of the total of cost of the KITAP?

 

[Saudade]

We spent the standard on my Kitap. About 5.6jt including 2 year MERP. I'd have a heart attack if I had spent 30jt.

I saw Atlantis mention 10jt for his Kitap before, but perhaps that's a "lifetime" Kitap?

I am more interested about how much people pay for the KITAP. I think 24.400.000 rp save is a huge quantity of money!
Of course everybody has rights to choose how they want to do it, on their own or trough a agent, as long they get the KITAP but in my case, I am more interested about what is the range of cost, so I could choose from that how I want to do it. Although I am the type of person who likes to do these things on my own. What Jaime pay is very reasonable.

 

[colroe]

I am more interested about how much people pay for the KITAP. I think 24.400.000 rp save is a huge quantity of money!
Of course everybody has rights to choose how they want to do it, on their own or trough a agent, as long they get the KITAP but in my case, I am more interested about what is the range of cost, so I could choose from that how I want to do it. Although I am the type of person who likes to do these things on my own. What Jaime pay is very reasonable.

If you do it yourself, it is around 5.6 juta. That is what I paid last April. No stress, just a few trips back and forth to Immigration, but really pleased not to have been ripped off by an agent!!! More Bintang for me (if I can find a shop to purchase it from!!!)

 

[jstar]

Well, it all depends. There are many examples of very stressful processes. And if you include the KTP and KK, even more. Generally speaking; the bigger the city (and thus the lower class of Immigration Office, like a 1), the smoother it goes.

 

[villaparadise]

And how much did you pay please, of the total of cost of the KITAP?

Cost is 5.505.000 as follows: E-KITAP 3.700.000, MREP 1.750.000, Technology Fee 55,000

 

[Saudade]

Cost is 5.505.000 as follows: E-KITAP 3.700.000, MREP 1.750.000, Technology Fee 55,000

Terimakasi

 

[DzulnSiti]

Congrats, and don't forget to get your KTP OA!

Do let us know if you able to get KTP OA easily. Thanks.

 

[villaparadise]

Do let us know if you able to get KTP OA easily. Thanks.

Just got my KTP and KK yesterday took 10 business days.

 

[bojog]

I got a KITAS last September and my wife and I came to Australia, now have a 3 month old baby. I have reported to Capil in Denpasar after getting the KITAs last year. I was just wondering what happens if we just came back to Bali for a short holiday? Is there any requirement to sort out KK and other stuff or just later if I get the KITAP? Apparently after being married 2 years, I am eligible for a KITAP but must do at least 1 year on a KITAS first rather than doing 2 years. We have applied for her permanent residency here in Oz but I would still like to get the full KITAP so we can still have extended breaks in Indonesia to visit her family and our friends. It is so much easier than having to extend a tourist visa after 30 days or arranging other visa for longer stays or every time we want to visit.

 

[harryopal1]

Bojog, I trust you are familiar with the permanent residence requirements in Australia for your wife who, I assume, is Indonesian. I have been down that path and obtained permanent residence for my Indonesian wife so if you have any questions I may be able to help.

 

[bojog]

Yeah man, familiar with most of the requirements including new sponsorship stuff. I have to chase up an SKCK from Indo cos I lived there for many years.

 

[bojog]

BTW, as you may have read, I have gone down the path of getting my KITAS last year also from Jimbaran office as I was staying in that area. Is your wife a Bali KTP holder or from another province? You will only be able to process the KITAS in Bali if she has a Bali KTP or a KIPEM. They will only accept the BAli KIPEM for you sponsor for the first year of KITAS. For the second extension of KITAS (or KITAP if you have been married two years), you will only be able to process it in Bali if you wife already has a KTP. To have a Bali KTP, she will have to have Bali property in her name as the local Kelurahan will not sign documents for her to have a Bali KTP unless she has a house in her name in Bali.
I know others will say the the new KTP is now national but Bali is still different. To get the letter of approval from the local Kelurahan, she will have to release her KTP from her originating city in which she will need the local village authorities (RW RT) to sign documents that she will be moving to Bali (pindah domisili)
I applied online for KITAS and uploaded all documents that way but still had to actually travel to the head office in Jakarta (as that is the where my wife is from) to pay the fee for the visa telex. Then withing 60 days I had to fly back to Oz to process the KITAS at the consulate. Only then was I able to go back to Bali and complete the KItas application in Jimbaran Immigration office as my wife had a KIPEM. Because she had a KIPEM and not Bali KTP, thats why I had to Jakarta to actually make the payment for the telex letter and provide all the documents such as Marriage certificate, KK, KTP etc..

 

[jstar]

I know others will say the the new KTP is now national but Bali is still different. To get the letter of approval from the local Kelurahan, she will have to release her KTP from her originating city in which she will need the local village authorities (RW RT) to sign documents that she will be moving to Bali (pindah domisili)

Are you talking about the e-KTP? I don't really understand what the remainder of the paragraph has to do with that, but it is a requirement for all people in Indonesia, even KITAP holders. (Children etc. are an exception obviously.) Of course you need to report to your local RT/RW/Lurah if you move. And the KTP has to be changed. Even if you stay in the same Kecataman/Kelurahan/etc..

 

[bojog]

@jstar:

Which paragraph are you referring to? The thread is relating to obtaining a KITAP so my last paragraph has everything to do with it....
Regarding eKTP, if the Indonesian is applying or eKTP they still need a residential address on it right? If processing eKTP stating a Bali address, that residence has to be in the persons name therefore they have to have a house in their name. The local banjar/Kecamatan/Kelurahan will not issue the required documents of residency to process an eKTP with a Bali residence otherwise. Then to process a KITA/P in Bali, the foreigners sponsor requires a KTP indicating a Bali residency. So although the new KTP is national and not supposed to be province based, Bali still has it's own conditions regarding administrative procedures. Sponsors without a "Bali KTP" cannot process their partners KITAS/P in Bali but must do it in the immigration office of their domicile (domisli) of their KTP.

No one changes their KTP if moving to a different Kecamatan unless it is permanent or long term. The locals get by with a KIPEM for that area that they are moving into until they sort themselves out.
i.e Javanese staying in Bali for work will apply for a KIPEM initially.

 

[klaatu]

I just recently completed my second kitas in Bali,with my wifes KIPEM.They will not process KITAP unless wife has Bali KTP,but kitas is ok..also no E_KITAS from Denpasar imigrasi,waiting for the enail to print out KITAS..They said wait a week for email,if nothing sent come back,aarrgh...My first kitas was at ngurah rai but since moved to denpasar south had to go through another ling process changing imigrasi office!

 

[jstar]

@jstar:

Which paragraph are you referring to? The thread is relating to obtaining a KITAP so my last paragraph has everything to do with it....
Regarding eKTP, if the Indonesian is applying or eKTP they still need a residential address on it right? If processing eKTP stating a Bali address, that residence has to be in the persons name therefore they have to have a house in their name. The local banjar/Kecamatan/Kelurahan will not issue the required documents of residency to process an eKTP with a Bali residence otherwise. Then to process a KITA/P in Bali, the foreigners sponsor requires a KTP indicating a Bali residency. So although the new KTP is national and not supposed to be province based, Bali still has it's own conditions regarding administrative procedures. Sponsors without a "Bali KTP" cannot process their partners KITAS/P in Bali but must do it in the immigration office of their domicile (domisli) of their KTP.

No one changes their KTP if moving to a different Kecamatan unless it is permanent or long term. The locals get by with a KIPEM for that area that they are moving into until they sort themselves out.
i.e Javanese staying in Bali for work will apply for a KIPEM initially.

What you state here is not completely correct.

First of all, the whole KIPEM/KIPS was set up for seasonal workers, so they have a temporary ID. Normally the temporary is a one year period. I think the Balinese provincial regulation was created some 15 years ago.

Secondly, it is only in Badung Regency where they no longer issue KTP's to people, stating they have to own the property. So in the rest of Bali it would not apply? Ahum.

The eKTP is very important in this case. It is stated in a UU (which in hierarchy is higher than any provincial regulation!) and a PerPres, that in case of relocating, you need to report this move and the KTP needs to be adjusted. Even for less than one year that is possible, but that is debatable since the UU just mentions its feasibility for shorter than one year.

And about whether or not you get a 2nd KITAS and KITAP on a KIPEM/KIPS? It is (as so often) a money and interpretation game. (The Balinese Immigration even blames Jakarta!) I know people who, after 'talking' with a higher level person in Immigration, suddenly did get the opportunity to obtain a KITAP.

Pada dasarnya KTP-el merupakan identitas nasional yang berlaku di seluruh wilayah Indonesia. Apabila Anda berpindah domisili, Anda membutuhkan Surat Keterangan Pindah Datang untuk mengurus KTP-el baru dengan alamat domisili Anda yang sekarang.

UU 23/ 2006, pasal 15:
(1) Penduduk Warga Negara Indonesia yang pindah dalam wilayah Negara Kesatuan Republik Indonesia wajib melapor kepada Instansi Pelaksana di daerah asal untuk mendapatkan Surat Keterangan Pindah.(2) Pindah sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (1) adalah berdomisilinya Penduduk di alamat yang baru untuk waktu lebih dari 1 (satu) tahun atau berdasarkan kebutuhan yang bersangkutan untuk waktu yang kurang dari 1 (satu) tahun.(3) Berdasarkan Surat Keterangan Pindah sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (1) Penduduk yang bersangkutan wajib melapor kepada Instansi Pelaksana di daerah tujuan untuk penerbitan Surat Keterangan Pindah Datang.(4) Surat Keterangan Pindah Datang sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (3) digunakan sebagai dasar perubahan atau penerbitan KK dan KTP bagi Penduduk yang bersangkutan.

Perpres No. 25/ 2008 pasal 29:
(1) Penduduk Warga Negara Indonesia sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 28, melaporkan kedatangannya kepada kepala desa/lurah di tempat tujuan dengan menunjukkan Surat Keterangan Pindah.(2) Pendaftaran penduduk Warga Negara Indonesia di Desa/Kelurahan sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (1) dilakukan dengan tata cara:a. Penduduk mengisi dan menandatangani Formulir Permohonan Pindah Datang;b. Petugas registrasi mencatat dalam Buku Harian Peristiwa Kependudukan dan Peristiwa Penting;c. Petugas registrasi melakukan verifikasi dan validasi data penduduk; dand. Kepala desa/lurah menandatangani dan meneruskan Formulir Permohonan Pindah Datang sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (2) huruf a kepada camat.(3) Pendaftaran penduduk di Kecamatan sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (2) huruf d dilakukan dengan tata cara:a. Petugas melakukan verifikasi dan validasi data penduduk; danb. Camat menandatangani Formulir Permohonan Pindah Datang dan menyampaikan kepada Kepala Instansi Pelaksana sebagai dasar penerbitan Surat Keterangan Pindah Datang.(4) Kepala Instansi Pelaksana menerbitkan dan menandatangani Surat Keterangan Pindah Datang.(5) Surat Keterangan Pindah Datang sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (4), digunakan sebagai dasar:a. proses penerbitan KK dan KTP dengan alamat baru; danb. perekaman ke dalam database kependudukan.

 

[bojog]

What you state here is not completely correct.

First of all, the whole KIPEM/KIPS was set up for seasonal workers, so they have a temporary ID. Normally the temporary is a one year period. I think the Balinese provincial regulation was created some 15 years ago.

Secondly, it is only in Badung Regency where they no longer issue KTP's to people, stating they have to own the property. So in the rest of Bali it would not apply? Ahum.

The eKTP is very important in this case. It is stated in a UU (which in hierarchy is higher than any provincial regulation!) and a PerPres, that in case of relocating, you need to report this move and the KTP needs to be adjusted. Even for less than one year that is possible, but that is debatable since the UU just mentions its feasibility for shorter than one year.

And about whether or not you get a 2nd KITAS and KITAP on a KIPEM/KIPS? It is (as so often) a money and interpretation game. (The Balinese Immigration even blames Jakarta!) I know people who, after 'talking' with a higher level person in Immigration, suddenly did get the opportunity to obtain a KITAP.




UU 23/ 2006, pasal 15:
(1) Penduduk Warga Negara Indonesia yang pindah dalam wilayah Negara Kesatuan Republik Indonesia wajib melapor kepada Instansi Pelaksana di daerah asal untuk mendapatkan Surat Keterangan Pindah.(2) Pindah sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (1) adalah berdomisilinya Penduduk di alamat yang baru untuk waktu lebih dari 1 (satu) tahun atau berdasarkan kebutuhan yang bersangkutan untuk waktu yang kurang dari 1 (satu) tahun.(3) Berdasarkan Surat Keterangan Pindah sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (1) Penduduk yang bersangkutan wajib melapor kepada Instansi Pelaksana di daerah tujuan untuk penerbitan Surat Keterangan Pindah Datang.(4) Surat Keterangan Pindah Datang sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (3) digunakan sebagai dasar perubahan atau penerbitan KK dan KTP bagi Penduduk yang bersangkutan.

Perpres No. 25/ 2008 pasal 29:
(1) Penduduk Warga Negara Indonesia sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 28, melaporkan kedatangannya kepada kepala desa/lurah di tempat tujuan dengan menunjukkan Surat Keterangan Pindah.(2) Pendaftaran penduduk Warga Negara Indonesia di Desa/Kelurahan sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (1) dilakukan dengan tata cara:a. Penduduk mengisi dan menandatangani Formulir Permohonan Pindah Datang;b. Petugas registrasi mencatat dalam Buku Harian Peristiwa Kependudukan dan Peristiwa Penting;c. Petugas registrasi melakukan verifikasi dan validasi data penduduk; dand. Kepala desa/lurah menandatangani dan meneruskan Formulir Permohonan Pindah Datang sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (2) huruf a kepada camat.(3) Pendaftaran penduduk di Kecamatan sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (2) huruf d dilakukan dengan tata cara:a. Petugas melakukan verifikasi dan validasi data penduduk; danb. Camat menandatangani Formulir Permohonan Pindah Datang dan menyampaikan kepada Kepala Instansi Pelaksana sebagai dasar penerbitan Surat Keterangan Pindah Datang.(4) Kepala Instansi Pelaksana menerbitkan dan menandatangani Surat Keterangan Pindah Datang.(5) Surat Keterangan Pindah Datang sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (4), digunakan sebagai dasar:a. proses penerbitan KK dan KTP dengan alamat baru; danb. perekaman ke dalam database kependudukan.

I've kinda said what you have regarding the KIPEM being temporary until they sort them selves out ie decide if they will stay pas the year limit for KIPEM then require a KTP for Bali. But I have known people from other provinces to stay on in Bali for years without a Bali KTP, they just keep paying the local banjar to renew their KIPEMS.
Regarding extending the KITAS/p on a KIPEM, I'm just going on what the officials at Jimbaran advised when I obtained my KITAS and regarding the money and interpretation, well that of course is another story as the rules are getting stricter. It's the same people that work at the KITAS counter (about 3 or 4) and they all say the same thing so I doubt there's going to much around that except for paying through the roof for an agent to sort it out.
Regarding the KTP conditions only relating to Badung Regency, that's news to me. Could you provide some literature that supports that statement? I would be very interested to know.

 

[bojog]

There are obviously UU in place regarding all sorts of matters pertaining to visa's permits etc but the bottom line is if you put up a challenge to the authorities, you won't come out a winner. They will just make the process drag on and on then they will look for ways to catch you out some how. Things can be challenged but with alot of headaches and probably financial woes.

 

[jstar]

What is interesting, is that the whole KIPEM concept is outdated. And even illegal if they make the people pay 'flexible' amounts which is currently the case on Bali. And they have security guards etc. raiding apartment blocks in the middle of the night and force people to 'buy' a KIPEM on the spot. Without any receipt.

But it's a nice milk cow, and they are still convinced that way they can keep the Javanese 'invasion' under control.

In Surabaya the KIPEM has been a huge topic of discussion. Especially for students from other parts of the country. Then they realized that with an e-KTP the KIPEM is in fact obsolete: https://news.detik.com/jawatimur/3286685/pemkot-surabaya-hapus-kipem-bagi-warga-pendatang