How to obtain Indonesian Citizenship

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Indonesians like ceremonies, so I think oath-taking ceremony at pengadilan is still required before you get your naturalization papers.
I already have the SK - its done online.
Unless there is a further part to the process that ahu never mentioned.
The oath is sworn in a handwritten letter, signed & stamped, probably because it has more legal standing than a vocalised oath.
 

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Is there one? News to me :D
How are you going to respond to being referred to as a bule or orang asing now? Will there be an instant explanation of your status to all offenders? I ask because I could really see myself getting into philosophical discussions (arguments) with all takers, were I in your shoes.
It's not just the instant assumption that different looking people are foreigners that would be up for discussion, either. That whole "this is just how we do things in Indonesia (or a given kampung), so you should comply without complaint or analysis" argument that I have not had footing to respond to would also be fun to poke at.
 

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How are you going to respond to being referred to as a bule or orang asing now? Will there be an instant explanation of your status to all offenders? I ask because I could really see myself getting into philosophical discussions (arguments) with all takers, were I in your shoes.
It's not just the instant assumption that different looking people are foreigners that would be up for discussion, either. That whole "this is just how we do things in Indonesia (or a given kampung), so you should comply without complaint or analysis" argument that I have not had footing to respond to would also be fun to poke at.
I just can't be arsed getting into battles over things said about me, be it face to face , behind my back or online.
So I just let it all wash over me, there are battles worthy of a fight, I don't class this as one :D
But should anyone attempt to treat me any different re entrance fees or such or even work wise, then I will get into things with them.
 

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I just can't be arsed getting into battles over things said about me, be it face to face , behind my back or online.
So I just let it all wash over me, there are battles worthy of a fight, I don't class this as one :D
But should anyone attempt to treat me any different re entrance fees or such or even work wise, then I will get into things with them.
Totally not worth it, but I would just find it hard to resist. Sometimes it is just hard to weigh pragmatism against the chance to be condescending towards certain parochial worldviews.

Have you been to many of the tourist attractions on Java? Oddly, now might be a good time to put that discounted rate to use. There are loads of nice outdoor places to visit between here and Yogyakarta. Was just thinking about Ratu Boko yesterday. That place somehow makes me feel like I'm back in the Mendips. Just so damned beautiful and peaceful and old.
 

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Totally not worth it, but I would just find it hard to resist. Sometimes it is just hard to weigh pragmatism against the chance to be condescending towards certain parochial worldviews.

Have you been to many of the tourist attractions on Java? Oddly, now might be a good time to put that discounted rate to use. There are loads of nice outdoor places to visit between here and Yogyakarta. Was just thinking about Ratu Boko yesterday. That place somehow makes me feel like I'm back in the Mendips. Just so damned beautiful and peaceful and old.
I haven't - I am not much of a tourist at all.
 

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Embassy done this morning.
I got a letter to say my passport had been cancelled at the embassy & they cut the corners off it.

We called in at KanIm on the way home to inform them & came away with a file of forms to fill in.

I have to make a letter - I have a sample but won't post it here as it is complete with all the private details of a previous applicant (eye rolls at the complete lack of data protection in this country!)

They say they want the original SKIM - however ahu wanted that & they do not return any original documents sent there either so I don't have it - I did scan it so I can send them a scan of the original , hopefully that will be sufficient.
They want a photocopy of the passport
The ahu SK
Surat nikah
Photocopy of husband's KTP & original
kitap copy.
They gave us 3 formulir all the same #27 to complete.

Monday will see us dropping these in at KanIm & then heading to the Catatan Sipil to sort out my new KTP and other stuff- I will be taking all our documents there as I will likely end up needing something. I will probably end up with a new KK
Then we have to sort out the local govt stuff for voting etc- I assume I can't do any of that until I have my new KTP .


The take away advice from all of this for any of you: when you get any original documents scan them into Jpeg and pdf files & keep backup copies on a flash drive/cloud somewhere safe.
All documents dropped off at KanIm , I was given a slip (Pencabutan dokim menjadi wni) & must return in a week to collect whatever it is I am to collect :D

The plus side is they are reusing paper for these slips, the downside is that the slip I have contains the full private (?) details of someone from Japan :D
 

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Your first stop is not at Imigrasi but at the Kanwil (divisi pelayanan hukum dan HAM, this is a different divisi dan the keimigrasian one) which is the representant of the Ministry of Justice and Human rights at provincial level. In fact, Kantor Imigrasi has little to do with it, save for an important document which is the SKIM. All citizenship matters are the privilege of the Direktorat Administrasi Hukum Umum which is a branch of the Ministry of Justice, and they will be the one handling the whole procedure.

I will try to give you a quick overview of the procedure below. however, double check it because there is quite some times I didn't take a look for an update on the procedure or regulation.

Your first step is a letter (obviously in Bahasa Indonesia) stating you want to gain Indonesian citizenship (Permohonan pendaftaran kewarganegaraan melalui pernyataan) and including:
Your name,
Place and date of birth,
Present citizenship,
Name of your Indonesian spouse,
Place and date of birth of your Indonesian spouse,

You will have to join legalized photocopies of your birth certificate, KTP OA, passport and KITAP, legalized photocopies of the birth certificate and KTP of your indonesian spouse, legalized photocopies of your akta perkawinan or buku nikah (whichever is relevant).

You will have to prove that you have either a job or an income (pension is OK, revenue from term deposit in bank are OK...etc).

You will have to apply for a SKIM to the Kantor Imigrasi. It is the document which states you have resided in Indonesia for at least 5 uninterrupted years or 10 years with breaks in your residency permit. Imigrasi has been known to sometimes be a pain in the neck to issue this document. They may ask a photocopy of your past KITASes and ITASes, photocopies of your visa when you last enter in Indonesia...etc. Don't worry, they will find the document you haven't kept and will ask for it. For all friends I know who went through the procedure, I can't remember any for which it has been simple and straightforward to get the SKIM. Expect some delay here but if it's too long, contact the Kanwil to complain. Anyway, think about it: Imigrasi officers know it's the last time they may have a grip on you.

Your next step will be a visit to your POLDA office to get a SKCK (a certificate saying that you have been a good boy for the time you have been here). This is a bit like a lottery. I have friends who got their SKCK without hassles and others who had to fight hard not to get extorted. Here again keep in mind that cops know why you want the SKCK and why it is important for you.

You can do all the above concurrently, not necessarily one after the other.

When all documents will be complete you will go through at least one interview with a bunch of officials from various agencies. They are usually cool if they detect you are genuinely caring about the country. I know around 10 people who went through or are going through the whole procedure in the past 5 or 6 years. Out of them only 1 reported that during the interview the officials were "difficult". However,, considering the personality of said applicant, I can't blame the officials. I won't say more. The other applicants I know reported that it was formal but convivial with even moments of laughters.

During the whole process you may be visited by officials (Intelkam for example) who may interview family, neighbors, pak RT...etc to find out what breed of applicant you are.

During the formal interview, you will very probably be asked to sing the national anthem, asked formal questions about your reasons, checked if you know a bit of Indonesian history and heroes, questioned on the Pancasila and the UUD and very probably asked your opinion about religion (all friends I have been guiding through the procedure or that I have been in contact with, got questions about religion). This is pretty ceremonial and if you are an atheist or an agnostic, if you don't believe that Pancasila is the most wonderful philosophy, it is the time to lie about it). Obviously a fair command of bahasa Indonesia is preferable but I know some people who had only a basic command of Bahasa Indonesia and still went through.

At the end of the procedure and just before being granted Indonesian citizzenship, you will have to submit a document from your embassy stating that you will relinquish your citizenship upon becoming Indonesian.

Sorry, if the above is not clear. Had a long day and little time for the forum. However feel free to ask questions. I will keep an eye on the thread.
Reading through this making me laugh ...that is so true...when my late husband had KITAS, entered immigrasi Manado, he was still got trouble but I was always in front line....fight hahahaha
 

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Reading through this making me laugh ...that is so true...when my late husband had KITAS, entered immigrasi Manado, he was still got trouble but I was always in front line....fight hahahaha
I was correct then... :D When I received your PM I assumed you were from torang pe daerah, considering your handle poco-poco.
Imigrasi Manado has changed in good. Nothing like two decades ago when they were pretty tricky, with most of the bosses being outsiders. Now it's mostly handled by orang Manado so it is smooth and friendly.
 

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Catatan Sipil was a disaster today.
We went with the usual complement of original documents & copies.
they handed us a 4 double-sided page form & insist we go back to jakarta to get the minister of law to complete parts of it.
We tried to explain that we have the decree- SK & showed it to her, but she was having none of it.
I will scan & upload to here if I can do pdf uploads to the forum. But 1st I am just having a rest as I am beyond pissed off.
 

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Ok, Here is my stale mate detail- the pain in the arse woman at Capil INSISTS we give her details of the swearing in ceremony, date , the number I was allocated & the name of the guy who hosted it etc.
As there was no swearing in ceremony how the hell I can get it into her thick skull that it was all done online with written documents I don't know.
I am going to go over her head & try & get a chat with the Bupati when I can be bothered.
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I was correct then... :D When I received your PM I assumed you were from torang pe daerah, considering your handle poco-poco.
Imigrasi Manado has changed in good. Nothing like two decades ago when they were pretty tricky, with most of the bosses being outsiders. Now it's mostly handled by orang Manado so it is smooth and friendly.
So could I go back as an Indonesian citizen?
And How?
 

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I was correct then... :D When I received your PM I assumed you were from torang pe daerah, considering your handle poco-poco.
Imigrasi Manado has changed in good. Nothing like two decades ago when they were pretty tricky, with most of the bosses being outsiders. Now it's mostly handled by orang Manado so it is smooth and friendly.
I was really impressed with Balinese immigration, they are International standard : professional, straight forward, reliable, English spoken, aircon room, waiting in the waiting room just like in abroad seating room and they don't even receive cash, you have to go to the bank which is only next door ( no chance for bribes ). Jakarta immigration ( suppose to be a capital city ) nothing like it
 

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Ok, Here is my stale mate detail- the pain in the arse woman at Capil INSISTS we give her details of the swearing in ceremony, date , the number I was allocated & the name of the guy who hosted it etc.
As there was no swearing in ceremony how the hell I can get it into her thick skull that it was all done online with written documents I don't know.
I am going to go over her head & try & get a chat with the Bupati when I can be bothered.
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We now have input from ahu re this
Kalo naturalisasi karna perkawinan (pasal 19) karna penyatuan keluarga ini output nya adalah surat keputusan menteri jadi tidak membutuhkan berita acara sumpah.
Nanti kalo memang gak bisa juga bisa kasih nomor tlp saya pak biar saya jelaskan.
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If naturalization is due to marriage (article 19) because of the unification of this family the output is a ministerial decree so there is no need for an oath ceremony.
Later, if you can't [proceed], you can also give her my phone number, sir, let me explain [to capil]
 

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Ok, Here is my stale mate detail- the pain in the arse woman at Capil INSISTS we give her details of the swearing in ceremony, date , the number I was allocated & the name of the guy who hosted it etc.
As there was no swearing in ceremony how the hell I can get it into her thick skull that it was all done online with written documents I don't know.
I am going to go over her head & try & get a chat with the Bupati when I can be bothered.
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Are you still dealing with CaSip WNA, or do you queue up with the other WNI now? I'm just wondering if you may have accidentally broken my favorite government employee by presenting her with one too many instances of paradox... How many years of conflicting regulation and policy can one employee take before you have to replace their mainframe completely?

I see you already have this sorted, more or less. I'm not betting against you in a "getting shit done" contest.
 

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Are you still dealing with CaSip WNA, or do you queue up with the other WNI now? I'm just wondering if you may have accidentally broken my favorite government employee by presenting her with one too many instances of paradox... How many years of conflicting regulation and policy can one employee take before you have to replace their mainframe completely?

I see you already have this sorted, more or less. I'm not betting against you in a "getting shit done" contest.
They changed the whole place now, there was no queuing for us at all initially, we were sent to a kiosk with someone sat there waiting... who then went to her supervisor & then went to his, this woman in her own office who was ridiculously unhelpful & yes, your betting is well advised. I don't take prisoners when riled .
 

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