Certificate non impediment for marriage

[marcus]

... It just doesn't seem right that the government can force this on people. What if they didn't want to marry? What if they don't follow a religion? Are they not allowed to live here? Seems oppressive to me!

Assuming you refer to Indonesian Government , I didn't feel as I was "forced" or "oppressed". And many Indonesian couples live together without legally marrying (having a "nikah siri" , for example) .

 

[serious_fun]

Can I have a few more wives if my 1st wife is my KITAP sponsor? Perhaps only if I convert to islam...

 

[Shadrach]

Can I have a few more wives if my 1st wife is my KITAP sponsor? Perhaps only if I convert to islam...

Hey big boy, what's your secret? Do you have the Bali Mojo recipe?
Man after reading all these many comments by everyone, it seems like a tall mountain to climb to get married here. So many rules and regulations. Document after document required, approval by everyone and their uncle, you have to have a religion, you can't be gay, the list goes on and on. Is it worth it for just a piece of paper?

 

[Helpful Herbert]

Hey big boy, what's your secret? Do you have the Bali Mojo recipe?
Man after reading all these many comments by everyone, it seems like a tall mountain to climb to get married here. So many rules and regulations. Document after document required, approval by everyone and their uncle, you have to have a religion, you can't be gay, the list goes on and on. Is it worth it for just a piece of paper?

I don't think your marriage is going to be very successful if you're gay

 

[Shadrach]

I don't think your marriage is going to be very successful if you're gay

Well That depends on what you consider is success. Obviously they're not going to procreate, but they can adopt and raise a very happy family.
Being Gay is not my thing either, but I've had many gay friends and it's their business who they want to love, not mine to judge.
It's been this way since time immortal. The Government here, says there is no Homosexuality in Indonesia. So thus no Gay marriages. I'm just a guest in this country, so it's none of my business.
Maybe due to my age, I do have a hard time understanding People wanting to be Transgender, and wanting to surgically, and chemically alter their body from one sex to the other. I can understand being gay, keeping the same sexual parts, and loving someone of the same sex, but actually cutting yourself up and changing your body parts is too much for my brain to comprehend.
Maybe I'm just old fashioned? Any comments?

 

[serious_fun]

Hey big boy, what's your secret?

The secret for multiple wives?

Panadol for the headaches , some good ear buds for music/podcasts , and a man cave for isolation.

 

[godmachine12]

Has anyone got a certificate of no impediment (CNI) from the American embassy? Is there a standard form or do you need to come with an affidavit? If there is a standard from, does anyone know if it's in Indonesian as well or will this also need to be translated? The embassy website isn't clear on this, but I've got an upcoming appointment and would appreciate some clearer information.

Thanks!

 

[jstar]

See here:

Marriage | Travel.State.gov

U.S. citizens planning to marry abroad should review country-specific legal requirements, wait times, and budgets for an international marriage.

travel.state.gov

• An Affidavit of Eligibility to Marry. Some countries need this as proof of legal ability to enter into a marriage contract. The United States cannot attest to your marital status. However, you can write a statement confirming that you can marry and a U.S. consular officer can notarize your signature on the document. This satisfies most countries.

It’s a common problem in many countries, not only US* citizens btw. If the US embassy doesn’t have a form you can use and you don’t get an answer here, I would write this statement in both languages. Take it with you and see what they can do.

*Marriages are the jurisdiction of the individual states, and there is no centralized federal register, they don’t keep track of the marital status. And many US embassies have stopped with notarizing the sworn declaration.

 

[capekbro]

Anyone have any recent experiences in similar situations?
We're looking to do the same and go to HK, or possibly my country's embassy to get married civilly.

I'm raised protestant, while my Indonesian partner is a Buddhist. And it just seemed easier to avoid the red tape in Indonesia.

However we'd still like to report it to Indonesian authorities after the fact as well, even though we're not intending to stay there long term. Just in case you know?

HK seemed quite expensive though like others mentioned if you use an agent. We were quoted 5880 HKD for the agents services, not included the government fees. Using my embassy seemed cheaper (and it's closer for us), however the Indonesian embassy says:

Sebelum menyampaikan permohonan, pemohon wajib sudah melaporkan diri dan tercatat secara online via: Portal Peduli WNI
Kelalaian terhadap kewajiban Lapor Diri Online ini dapat berakibat tertundanya pelayanan yang diminta.

But that portal seems to be for Indonesians that have moved abroad, my partner has not though, so I was concerned whether that'd cause problems when reporting to them. And KBRI has been unresponsive to my questions for clarifying the requirements

And of course, to report to Disdukcapil seems to be more of a hassle these days as they've tightened up the rules for interfaith even when done abroad? If they ask can you change it right there and then, or will it cause a bunch of headaches?

 

[jstar]

However we'd still like to report it to Indonesian authorities after the fact as well, even though we're not intending to stay there long term. Just in case you know?

Well, your Indonesian spouse will have to report the moment (s)he returns to Indonesia. Within 30 days.

And of course, to report to Disdukcapil seems to be more of a hassle these days as they've tightened up the rules for interfaith even when done abroad? If they ask can you change it right there and then, or will it cause a bunch of headaches?

It’s more than a hassle. They -as before- can refuse to register your marriage. And the courts have gotten the ‘hint’ they should not force the Catatan Sipil to register the marriages anymore. Doesn’t mean they won’t but if it happens you’re really screwed. You would have to register your marriage first at the KBRI abroad of course so it seems logical they would warn you then for possible issues. But TII

I and nobody I know have any experience with changing it ’on the spot’. And I think you’re thinking somewhat too lightly about religion in RI. It really is a big deal over here. Obviously Buddhism is one of the ‘easier’ religions to convert to, I wonder what they would ask from you if you declare at KBRI and CatSip that is your religion. (Hint.)

 

[capekbro]

It’s more than a hassle. They -as before- can refuse to register your marriage. And the courts have gotten the ‘hint’ they should not force the Catatan Sipil to register the marriages anymore. Doesn’t mean they won’t but if it happens you’re really screwed. You would have to register your marriage first at the KBRI abroad of course so it seems logical they would warn you then for possible issues. But TII

TII indeed, that's why I am asking as well, because they might say one thing, but in practice who knows what they're actually doing.

I and nobody I know have any experience with changing it ’on the spot’. And I think you’re thinking somewhat too lightly about religion in RI. It really is a big deal over here. Obviously Buddhism is one of the ‘easier’ religions to convert to, I wonder what they would ask from you if you declare at KBRI and CatSip that is your religion. (Hint.)

No sorry, I'm well aware it's very important in RI, even if I came across as taking it lightly. It's highly likely I've confused this with something else, but I saw some people in the past talk about being asked to sign some form of declaration in terms of religion at dukcapil.

Yeah honestly that's where some of my confusion stems from as well, when I'm a non-Indonesian resident WNA, how might they expect me to prove what religion I belong to, beyond what I fill in the form given to KBRI?

My fiancé is willing to convert as well, but becoming a protestant sounds like a longer process. From my POV, I'd expect to attend church for awhile, get baptized and that's it. I'm sure it varies a lot my church here though..

 

[jstar]

Yeah, the Catholics and Protestants can make it rather complicated. All depends on the church and your contacts, some got away easy and others even had to attend classes.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

Once at the CatSip I asked why they had recorded my son's religion as Islam. He then, while sitting at the computer, said what would you like me to change it to, I can just change it in the system.
I told him not to bother (I don't fancy bringing up that subject again with my wife), but perhaps it can just be done there on the spot. Especially for a foreigner, as your religion is self-declared in the first place, when you get your first KITAS.