Electric motor scooters

[harryopal1]

If Indonesia moved to electric motor scooters and did away with petrol motor scooters then the difference in air quality would be huge. However, just watching latest reports on flooding in Jakarta I did a check and it seems electric scooters have less capability handling flooding on the roads and are more inclined to have corrosion problems splashing through water. I wonder how many people in Jakarta have bought electric motor scooters and have been caught out.

 

[jstar]

So you think a combustion engine doesn’t corrode Harry? And it works with water? Spoiler: some water in the cilinders destroy the whole engine.

I will never buy a second hand vehicle -car or motorcycle- in this country btw. There is no interesting depreciation, and you really don’t know its history with flooding, accidents and manipulation of the odometer. They are specialists in sprucing and patching up here.

 

[harryopal1]

So you think a combustion engine doesn’t corrode Harry? And it works with water? Spoiler: some water in the cilinders destroy the whole engine.

I will never buy a second hand vehicle -car or motorcycle- in this country btw. There is no interesting depreciation, and you really don’t know its history with flooding, accidents and manipulation of the odometer. They are specialists in sprucing and patching up here.

I don't disagree just the information I found suggested that electric motor scooters do not handle road flooding as well as petrol scooters and they are more prone to have corrosive problems effecting the system. I posted the above thread to see if we get any response from people having electric scooters and how their experience has been with flooding.

 

[jstar]

The Volta 401 electric scooter of a member of the family in law refused to run after being in the extreme rain and water. They put it inside to dry; after two days it works again.

 

[Hawk256]

The Volta 401 electric scooter of a member of the family in law refused to run after being in the extreme rain and water. They put it inside to dry; after two days it works again.

Putting a malfunctioning electric scooter inside sounds like a terrible idea unless you want to burn the house down.

 

[jstar]

According to our king of FUD.

 

[Hawk256]

According to our king of FUD.

What is a king of FUD? Never heard that one before.

 

[john madden]

What is a king of FUD? Never heard that one before.

Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt I believe.

 

[Hawk256]

Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt I believe.

Or Scottish slang for something else. If an extreme fire hazard is fear, uncertainly and doubt, I guess I'm the man. 30 years as an electrical engineer should buy me an opinion. I would much rather give some negative sounding advice than have someone lose their house or worse from a defective scooter battery. If anyone thinks that is fear mongering, maybe they need ask whey fire departments all over the world are recommending against parking EV's or other type vehicles in an attached garage and to supervise all charging.

 

[nd_eric_77]

I had an electric scooter of the rating that was more of a mo-ped (no plate or registration required). It was mostly fine going through light flooding, but it blew a fuse when I went through deeper water. Corrosion was not much of an issue because most of the parts were hard plastic. Everything was fine.

Uuuuuuuuntil... The battery range depleted to the point that I could no longer get all the way from home to school and vice-versa. I had already replaced the battery pack once, and just could not bring myself to replace it again, so back to the mountain bike.

 

[jstar]

whey fire departments all over the world are recommending against parking EV's or other type vehicles in an attached garage

EVs are NOT more prone to catching fire, they are less likely to do so than gasoline cars. But the fires can be harder to extinguish.

Billions of people are charging their handhelds every day with crappy Chinese chargers from AliExpress, but of course you would point out the one in the newspaper that caught fire. So what’s next, windmills kill all the birds?

 

[Hawk256]

So what’s next, windmills kill all the birds?

I never said that. You are putting words in my mouth. I only said a malfunctioning Chinese scooter battery is a fire hazard and repeated the recommendations of fire departments, HOA and insurance companies around the world on charging EVs and scooters. You don't have to agree but don't blame me for passing on information that makes people safer.

 

[nd_eric_77]

EVs are NOT more prone to catching fire, they are less likely to do so than gasoline cars. But the fires can be harder to extinguish.

Billions of people are charging their handhelds every day with crappy Chinese chargers from AliExpress, but of course you would point out the one in the newspaper that caught fire. So what’s next, windmills kill all the birds?

Electric scooters of the type I had do not even use lithium ion batteries. Mine used old-fashioned lead acid battery packs. I have never heard of those types of batteries catching fire.

 

[jstar]

36 or 48V? These battery packs typically use NMC. LFP is better in a warm climate. And cheaper; many BEV manufacturers are switching.

 

[nd_eric_77]

36 or 48V? These battery packs typically use NMC. LFP is better in a warm climate. And cheaper; many BEV manufacturers are switching.

48 V / 20.2 Ah
When I saw the pack, it specifically said lead acid.

 

[vocalneal]

36 or 48V? These battery packs typically use NMC.

We live on a hill. My wife's scooter is 72v with an 800watt motor. Batteries are lead acid 12v15Ah.

I have gleaned recently that similar scooters in the US use 1500W motors!! My wife is happy after swapping motors. Originally 350W 48V to then 500W 72V same motor; now to 800W motor.
Batteries last about two years.

 

[harryopal1]

We live on a hill. My wife's scooter is 72v with an 800watt motor. Batteries are lead acid 12v15Ah.

I have gleaned recently that similar scooters in the US use 1500W motors!! My wife is happy after swapping motors. Originally 350W 48V to then 500W 72V same motor; now to 800W motor.
Batteries last about two years.

I hope your wife's scooter is not a stand up scooter. These are proving to be inredibly dangerous with fataliies and serious injuries both to users and pedestrians. Prefer to think your wife's scooter is a sepeda motor and I trust she wears a helmet.

 

[vocalneal]

^ I think technically it is an electric bicycle as it came with pedals.
That were removed by her "service guy"

 

[harryopal1]

Was removing the pedals an advantage or disadvantage? What is the name of the model? I would like to find an image of it.