Ahok

[nosox]

While I don't expect much, I wish him luck

https://coconuts.co/jakarta/news/fo...st-1-year-controversial-blasphemy-conviction/

 

[Davita]

While I don't expect much, I wish him luck

https://coconuts.co/jakarta/news/fo...st-1-year-controversial-blasphemy-conviction/

According to JP he isn't filing an appeal...it is a review which, although I'm not a lawyer, I read is different to an appeal....

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2018/02/19/supreme-court-receives-ahoks-case-review-petition.html

What is the difference between Appeal and Review?
• Review is mostly concerned with the correctness of the legal matters of a decision whereas an appeal is mostly concerned with the correctness of the decision itself.
• Review is filed in the same court whereas appeal is filed in a higher court.
• Appeal is a statutory right of the individual whereas review is a discretionary right of the court.
• Procedural irregularity, impropriety, irrationality, and illegality form the basis of a review whereas there can be grounds of dissatisfaction or disappointment for filing an appeal.
• An appeal is a request to change or modify the decision or verdict whereas review is a request to look into the legality of the ruling.

The first hearing in the N. Jakarta court is for Feb 26 with a second a week later. A result will be presented to a Supreme Court Judge.
There maybe something here...I hope so as it's rumored he may run again for some office.

 

[nosox]

I stand corrected

 

[Davita]

I stand corrected

No need nosox...you quoted from a source as I did....it is the source that needs to be correct. I'm not even sure that JP has it right

 

[atlantis]

No need nosox...you quoted from a source as I did....it is the source that needs to be correct. I'm not even sure that JP has it right

I wouldn't say they have it wrong, but I definitely think that Jakarta Post have missed the point (Surpise! Surprise!).

When you appeal a verdict, you take a serious risk, risk than Ahok, rightfully advised, didn't want to take: your sentence may be decreased, remained the same or... be increased.

In the case of a Peninjauan Kembali (judicial review), you have no such risk. At worse your sentence remain the same, at best you get some or all charges dropped and a reduction of your sentence.

Also, if you wish to appeal a decision of court, you have 7 days to do it after receiving the sentence. If Ahok would have do it, not only he would have taken the risk to have his sentence increased but he would have had all the clowns of the FPI creating an uproar till the High Court decision be published.

A PK (judicial review), unlike an appeal, can be done pretty much anytime as long as the sentence is binding, and can be done several time. Ahok lawyers intended to let the dust coming down, and the clowns to be focus on anything else, before moving. This is what they have done.

This being said, I don't think that Ahok expects much about it... iunless of course if it has been dealt since the beginning, like the detention in Mako Brimob.

 

[Davita]

I wouldn't say they have it wrong, but I definitely think that Jakarta Post have missed the point (Surpise! Surprise!).

When you appeal a verdict, you take a serious risk, risk than Ahok, rightfully advised, didn't want to take: your sentence may be decreased, remained the same or... be increased.

In the case of a Peninjauan Kembali (judicial review), you have no such risk. At worse your sentence remain the same, at best you get some or all charges dropped and a reduction of your sentence.

Also, if you wish to appeal a decision of court, you have 7 days to do it after receiving the sentence. If Ahok would have do it, not only he would have taken the risk to have his sentence increased but he would have had all the clowns of the FPI creating an uproar till the High Court decision be published.

A PK (judicial review), unlike an appeal, can be done pretty much anytime as long as the sentence is binding, and can be done several time. Ahok lawyers intended to let the dust coming down, and the clowns to be focus on anything else, before moving. This is what they have done.

This being said, I don't think that Ahok expects much about it... iunless of course if it has been dealt since the beginning, like the detention in Mako Brimob.

That's how I read the difference but I don't understand why you say...'Jakarta Post missed the point.' The JP reported that he had applied for a Judicial Review.
It was Coconuts (post # 1 link) that reported it was an Appeal...thus the point of my post # 2.

 

[atlantis]

.'Jakarta Post missed the point.' The JP reported that he had applied for a Judicial Review..

Journalism is the activity of gathering, assessing, creating, and presenting news and information.

I understand that you are happy with Jakarta Post just telling you what Ahok has done and copy pasting parts of interviews. To me there is something missing in their article, which is the essence of journalism imho. They have just gathered information, as usual. No assessment of this information, as usual.

They have missed the point because they just told you that he has filled a review, without telling you why he has chosen to do so over an appeal, and why it was a smart choice for him to do so. This would have been closer to what journalism is about.

 

[nosox]

The 5 W's seem to be gone from journalism these days

 

[Davita]

I think JP is like any other newspaper..it has headline news on the front page and journalistic editorials etc. in the appropriate inside pages. Excepting specialist news-magazines all the newspapers I've subscribed to are pretty much the same.

I'm not debating which newspaper I'm happy with or not...the reason I posted post # 2 was because, according to my understanding, the Coconut's news about Ahok was wrong.

btw Coconuts also didn't do anything more than present the raw news...just got their facts wrong.

 

[atlantis]

I think JP is like any other newspaper.

I guess we don't read the same newspaper and magazine. No problem. We can agree to disagree.

 

[Davita]

I daily read Jakarta Post, Jakarta Globe, South China Morning Post, Vancouver Sun and occasionally the UK Financial Times as I keep my portfolio in their archive.
The formats are all pretty much the same. Headline news on the front page and editorials and letters to the editor, expansion to the news, sports and entertainment, international and national news, business and money matters all on the inside.

 

[atlantis]

Our discussion is almost hilarious, Davita. I have never considered that The Jakarta Post, South China Morning Post and UK Financial Times may play in the same league.

This is a link to a South China Morning Post article which is indirectly about Ahok and tolerance in Indonesia:
http://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-...ent-ahok-anti-chinese-sentiment-artists-minds

This is journalism, something you would never read in The Jakarta Post. The fact that the "formats are all pretty much the same" is irrelevant to the discussion, Davita. It's about quality of the content. Personally, I don't chose the paper I read for its format.
I'll rest my case.

 

[Balifrog]

Our discussion is almost hilarious, Davita. I have never considered that The Jakarta Post, South China Morning Post and UK Financial Times may play in the same league.

This is a link to a South China Morning Post article which is indirectly about Ahok and tolerance in Indonesia:
http://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-...ent-ahok-anti-chinese-sentiment-artists-minds

This is journalism, something you would never read in The Jakarta Post. The fact that the "formats are all pretty much the same" is irrelevant to the discussion, Davita. It's about quality of the content. Personally, I don't chose the paper I read for its format.
I'll rest my case.

It is always good to read in other countries papers news about the country you live in, specially if you stay in a country with a heavy censorship. Items on Thai politics and Royals will be "diluted and sweetened" at best in Thai papers for example.
It also gives you an idea how other people view your country and your compatriots, example reading about France in a British newspaper... Always interesting.

Of course don't attach to much importance on what FOX News "feeds" their audience.... watching it 2 minutes is the best I succeeded !

For global politics "Spiegel International" on line is pretty good and neutral. One of my favorite magazines.

I read daily (well, "view") SCMP, Jakarta Post, Jakarta Globe, Coconuts Bali, BKK Post, Spiegel on Line.
On the french side : La gazette de Bali (bit basic..), Yahoo France and Challenge (economics)

 

[Davita]

It isn't hilarious...that's how I get my daily news (ex TV) as I try to be worldly relevant.

Your link to a topic in SCMP is irrelevant to the thread as it was a topic.....not front-page headline-news.

The OP linked to Coconuts headline-news and so did I in my post about Jakarta Post...they were both raw-news, not discussions, nor topics for debate, nor requiring journalese...that's different.

The mid-pages of JP includes much journalistic content as far as I'm concerned...I particularly enjoy Julia Suryakusuma's series which, as a compilation from Jakarta Post, penned 'Julia's Jihad'. A book in my library.

 

[Anglian]

I suppose newspapers have to be a bit careful what they print about the authorities here, I recall an article in the Tempo some time back which didn’t show the police in a good light, only for their offices to be fire bombed, don’t think the culprits were ever apprehended dispite a through police investigation

 

[ChrisTex]

I mainly read the Jakarta Post and Jakarta Globe articles on Facebook and then the comments for a mix of face palming and laughter.

 

[kratos]

I'd suggest media and us are not blowing him up due to the sensitivity of the issue. The guy had enough, jail ,affair, and divorce. Doesn't deserve all of these considering what he accomplished in Jakarta...

Least likely he would beback to politics though

 

[atlantis]

that's how I get my daily news

Yes, I've seen that.

 

[DzulnSiti]

I hope Ahok win in this apeal. He should not be in jail except those FPI people. Indonesian already have enough with the likes of DPR now FPI and it cronies.

 

[Davita]

A long Op-Ed of the Ahok review by Journalist Moses Ompusunggu is in Jakarta Post here......http://www.thejakartapost.com/acade...to-know-about-ahoks-case-review-petition.html