Expats and Driving in Indonesia

... Another vote for just taking taxis and other third party vehicles.
Except when I was in a (Jakarta- white- Express? ) taxi that side swiped a scooter rider and broke his leg, the taxi driver insisted I pay. Ha! Obviously he got told where to shove that idea & I went & told the guy with the broken leg & the crowd that was with him to note down all the taxi drivers details and the taxi company as they should have some sort of insurance, (knowing enough of the language helped).
I also told them that the taxi driver wanted me to pay & the crowd agreed that was wrong & not my problem at all.
I did explain that I was just an orang biasa married to a lazy Sundanese man ( :D ) & then one of the crowd (an ojek driver) gave me a ride to my destination free of charge... SO there are always the ones who will try it on & there are always some people who have a huge chunk of good sense.
Its a lottery- stand your ground in a friendly manner & see what transpires.
 
Mind after my mishaps I mentioned in a a previous post, make sure you get a good driver, as the first one I got turned out to be an ex Angkor driver, he would wind the window down and shout abuse at anyone who overtook us, the final straw was as we approached a toll someone overtook and got in front of us, no big deal ready, happens all the time, but the driver just lost it, I had to restrain him as he wanted to get out the car and attack the other driver, that was it we had to let him go, he got a bit abusive to my wife so I had to chuck him out the house, so you have to get a driver you trust and is reliable
 
1. Do you drive in Indonesia? If so what is your vehicle (car, scooter, etc.), and what area(s) of the country have you experienced?
Haven't lived in Indonesia for 10 years. But will probably return. Used to drive Kijangs and ride a motorcycle in Sumatra. Like the wild west of driving.
2. Do you feel comfortable in traffic? Figured out how to adapt...
Yes. Sumatra is rural but have driven in Medan, PekanBaru and Palembang. I find it quite easy but then I probably drive worse than locals do! Currently I am driving in Bangkok. Probably better than Jakarta but...
3. Any trouble from the Polisi? Unfair fines, tickets, etc.
Nope
4. Any accidents? What happened, if you care to share?
None involving other people/cars. Have dropped the bike a couple of times and ridden into a rice padi.
5. How does Indonesian auto insurance work? Will it protect an expat from the liability issues that may be encountered in an accident?
Don't know, company cars. Motorbike? Never needed to use it.
6. For those from right side driving countries, how did you adjust to left side - and especially with the Indonesian traffic factor to contend with?
Wherever you drive and whatever country you drive in you position yourself more or less in the middle of the road/ carriageway, automatically the car will be in the right place. Then you can't go wrong. The only danger could be when pulling out of a junction where there is no traffic and you end up on the wrong side of the road. But following the place yourself in the middle convention you can't go wrong? I have lived an and driven for a living in countries that drive on different sides of the road, didn't bother me. The large amount of vehicle on your left will take some getting used to for the first few minutes but after that should be OK. Just go slow in narrow places for the first little while. Do not ever expect locals to do what you think they are going to do because usually they do the opposite. Go with the flow.
7. Do you choose not to drive? If so, why, and how do you make that work for you?
This is location specific. Had I chosen not to ride/drive I would have been stranded.
 
1. Do you drive in Indonesia? If so what is your vehicle (car, scooter, etc.), and what area(s) of the country have you experienced?
2. Do you feel comfortable in traffic? Figured out how to adapt...
3. Any trouble from the Polisi? Unfair fines, tickets, etc.
4. Any accidents? What happened, if you care to share?
5. How does Indonesian auto insurance work? Will it protect an expat from the liability issues that may be encountered in an accident?
6. For those from right side driving countries, how did you adjust to left side - and especially with the Indonesian traffic factor to contend with?
7. Do you choose not to drive? If so, why, and how do you make that work for you?

1- scooter, Bandung
2- yes & yes- I can do pavements with the best of them now (that would be sidewalk to American speaking friends)
3- Yep & nope- I got diddled for turning right in a no right turn area - I had no idea I wasn't permitted to so I went with the flow of the other dozen or so scooters- of course the Bule was the one the cops wanted- I refused to pay them in their little power-hungry hut, told them I wanted the documents & would pay it officially. Spoke in rapid English & used some wonderful terms that said naughty words with a big smile on my face. I don't think EF teaches "wanker" or "twat" in its standard class.
Previous time I got diddled for having a licence that was 2 years expired - my bad - I would have paid (down the official process) but for some reason they dragged hubby into the twat-box and scared him that they would take the scooter off him (not his scooter,... ) so he paid a stonking 250rb in cash to the asswipe. & then got a bollocking from me for doing so.

4 - yep , no injuries to me . I was sat in a stationary vehicle with the handbrake on and waiting for traffic to filter into a main artery road on a busy wekend (read -not moving for 10 minutes or so) .
An idiot on a motorcross bike shot across the roads from a minimarket parking lot with full revs on his bike- hit the side of the big chunky rental car I was sat in. He lost , the car won.
Last I saw of him was motionless & faceplanted about 30 m up the street with no helmet on. Called embassy who advised me to scoot away, hubby also wanted me to scoot away & the locals who saw what happened advised me to scoot away. So I scooted away.

5- what?
6- as has been said before - stick in the middle and go either left or right if something is coming straight at you- * for scooter users ;)

7 - Cars: I kinda went off driving cars here after the aforementioned incident.
Scooter - I drive as much as possible- love it. Even when its pissing down with rain I love it- hubby less enamoured and constantly chuntering on about how we should have a car.
 
@Chiron:

1. Do you drive in Indonesia? If so what is your vehicle (car, scooter, etc.), and what area(s) of the country have you experienced?
Yes. I like driving. But more and more I avoid it. I just know now it's not worth the trouble. You have no cruising mode here, you need to be focused at ALL times. And that is very tiresome. Parking is hell and often frustrating. A driver (whether it's private or a Uber or so) is so much more convenient...
I have driven everywhere I went, even with light trucks. I have experienced most areas of the country and it's obvious certain areas of Jakarta are the worst. But every place has its bad spots.
If you add the cars in my f-I-l extended stable I can borrow, I have personally driven an Alphard, Camry, Fortuner, Avanza, Innova, Landcruiser, Lamborghini, Porsche Cayman and Macan, Audi Q5, Mercedes E250, Pajero Sport, Ford Ranger and Ecosport, ...... should I continue?
2. Do you feel comfortable in traffic? Figured out how to adapt...
Never. And you shouldn't be. Now Manila is also rather crazy do you should be used to some chaos. Personally I think only India and some South American and African cities are worse than RI..
3. Any trouble from the Polisi? Unfair fines, tickets, etc.
Yes, but mostly on motorbike. (Many traffic traps in JKT and on BALI.) But they are very different in various areas; in Palembang for instance, I got a 'ticket' since I was standing half a meter over the white line in front of a traffic light. And it was not a case of let's screw the bule. That would never ever happen in Jakarta, Surabaya or Bali. There they often leave cars alone.
4. Any accidents? What happened, if you care to share?
Four in total, perhaps details later at some time. (See also next question.)
5. How does Indonesian auto insurance work? Will it protect an expat from the liability issues that may be encountered in an accident?
Yes, the All Risk (Omnium) is available. And insurance is not mandatory so you'll need it. But the 'soft' liability is what you should be concerned about. And those that say they have no issues here because they speak the language, have never driven in Jakarta's chaos with some bodily harm and physical damage as results of an accident.
6. For those from right side driving countries, how did you adjust to left side - and especially with the Indonesian traffic factor to contend with?
Look, if you can start driving in Solo or so, you are lucky. First start with a brother in law or friend or so in a quiet area. Esp. indicators etc. will take some time. Try to get an automatic, it will help a lot. I have learned to drive on the left side of the road with a left steering car (in St. Thomas) and after that drove in the UK. But you don't have that luxury. The problem is that the moment you panic you will revert to the right side. Which, in this country, could be a non issue.
7. Do you choose not to drive? If so, why, and how do you make that work for you?
Using Uber Grab GoCar c.s. and taxis are all cheaper than owning a car. But I have a f-I-l who are car crazy and who employ drivers who have nothing to do till 10 PM. After that I'm on my own. And I do like to steer some of these ridiculous vehicles.
 
I am driving a manual, Toyota Avanza around Bali. Although I bought the car from my wife's daughter it is still in her name as I am just on a Sosbud visa waiting for processing of a Vitas. The car is registered and insured and I always drive with the appropriate paper work in case I should get stopped by police. I have both an Australian licence and international licence and generally now feel quite comfortable and am reasonably assertive to fit into the flow without problems. While the density of traffic is at first a bit alarming I am impressed at the way most people accept the need for others to just insert themselves into the traffic from a side street or from almost anywhere and that this is done without lots of yelling and cursing or fist waving. Mind you the words "Bloody hell" spring forth for my own benefit reasonably often.
I have read about the appalling rate of accidents involving scooters and motor bikes in Indonesia and am a bit amazed about the blase manner of many of the scooter/ motor cyclists who not only use their mobiles while riding but texting as well. Then there are the many who ride without helmets and carry the whole family on a bike. Run into another car with your car at around 20 to 60 ks could be a nasty experience but come off a bike at that speed and the consequences can be tragic. As about forty years have passed since I spent any time riding a motobike I felt a car is a safer and a better option. I have also moved about 200 ks of stuff here and once we get the visa matters settled have to find a suitable house which means running around.
The convenience of going where you want when you want without having to book cars and driver has an appeal.
Depending on how and where we settle I may later on dispose of the car and get a scooter for local travel.
As an Australian I am driving on the side of the road that I am used to. My first driving experience in the US was arriving at JFK airport and hiring a car to drive to Wall Street for an interview. An interesting experience and it required concentration as is does just dealing with the different driving culture in Bali. I have driven in India, Malaysia, Singapore and Kenya. Each place had its own daunting driving cultures, as does Australia, but one manages.
 
Using Uber Grab GoCar c.s. and taxis are all cheaper than owning a car. But I have a f-I-l who are car crazy and who employ drivers who have nothing to do till 10 PM. After that I'm on my own. And I do like to steer some of these ridiculous vehicles.

Precisely why I've never bothered with a car. Just drive the bike and I'm fine. No problems with accidents and what not and the traffic, while annoying, isn't anything unmanageable. You've just got to slow down, flow with other vehicles and you'll eventually get to where it is you're going.
 
.... & expect what in our home country is unexpected like some imbecile who thinks he's in Disneyland to come at you head on whilst overtaking around a blind corner.... that's one of the reasons I ride a bike, more room to move out of the imbecile's way.
 
^ My driving instructor told me always be prepared to meet yourself coming the opposite way. (This works on both levels)
 
@Chiron
1. Do you drive in Indonesia? If so what is your vehicle (car, scooter, etc.), and what area(s) of the country have you experienced?
I've been driving and still drive most type of vehicles for the past 16 years in Indonesia. Motorbikes, cars, light trucks and even trucks (the latter, I admit, despite having the proper local driving license to do so). I even have removed a container truck from our warehouse parkway while the driver was sleeping, to the enjoyment of my staff.

I've been driving in Jakarta, Jogja and Surabaya and a few times between Jakarta and Jogja. I've been driving in Bali, Kalimantan, Maluku Utara and of course my island, Sulawesi. In Sulawesi I was used to drive several times a month on the transsulawesi between Manado and Palu with a few times all the way down Makassar.

2. Do you feel comfortable in traffic? Figured out how to adapt...
I feel comfortable but I have noticed that I've grown more intolerant toward idiots over the years and I don't hesitate to let them know. I am rather explosive and easy to ignite. I have always hoped that with the age I would improve. Unfortunately, I don't. That's a side of me I'd like to handle better but I guess I am tired of seeing people endangering themselves and, more annoyingly, others.

3. Any trouble from the Polisi? Unfair fines, tickets, etc.
I could write a book about it with many tries, especially down the Transsulawesi. However, though I had legal tickets for a few things I deserved like riding without helmet, driving or being a passenger in a car without seat belt and various other things, I paid only twice a bribe. It was years ago, in my first years here in Indonesia. Once Rp 20.000 in Bali for a driving offense I committed and once Rp 25.000 worth of pulsa to a funny cop here in Manado.

I live in a provincial city where foreigners aren't that many. You quickly know many of the cops, and more importantly they all know you very fast. I guess that in the past 16 years they either all become honest or they have understood that there was no money to grab with us. Whenever there is a sweeping I slow down, smile, shout a "Hey komdan!" while waving a hand, got a formal salute in return and go my way without being pulled over most of the time.

4. Any accidents? What happened, if you care to share?
Beside driving I also manage a passenger and merchandise transportation operation. Being the legal owner of about half of our vehicles I've had to negotiate settlement for a few cases, some nastier than others, some involving just material damages, some more sensitive, involving minor injuries and one involving injuries which could have been classified as luka berat (ie. serious body injuries). So far I can't say that my buleness has disadvantaged me or made a victim of me. I wouldn't deny that some may have thought that they had a winning lottery ticket in hand, but they had to come back to reality if it was the case.

When I or any of our driver, have been wrong we have settled it quickly and amicably. When we haven't been wrong we have either received payment for the damage or have given up when the damages were minor and the other party was simply unable to compensate us. A civil suit would be pointless whatever the case is, but if the damage only involves a couple of hundred rupiah and a person obviously can't pay, it would just be ridiculous to kick, scream and roll on the floor for it.

5. How does Indonesian auto insurance work? Will it protect an expat from the liability issues that may be encountered in an accident?
In my experience they work surprisingly well for material damage.
Just be aware that you would not find insurances for some type of vehicles (like scooters and trucks for example) and that many vehicles which are more than 5 years of age are either difficult to insure or can only be done at a ridiculous premium. I've recently made an inquiry for some 2011 Toyota Avanza to my insurance company. When they send me the quotation I thought that the figure they gave me was for the 3 vehicles while it was for only 1. :)

6. For those from right side driving countries, how did you adjust to left side - and especially with the Indonesian traffic factor to contend with?
I come from a right side driving country and have been driving in countries driving left, right, middle or off road. Not much difference imho. Just keep focused at ALL time, steer left and right to avoid others and don't ask yourself "Have I the right away" and other sh1t like that which have little meaning here. Just avoid the damn cars surrounding you. Expect the unexpected.

7. Do you choose not to drive? If so, why, and how do you make that work for you?
All our drivers drive like sh1t save for one. He's the one driving/picking up my kids to/from school. It took me 15 years to dig this jewel.

In the past two years, I've find out that I enjoy that my wife drives me around. She's (slightly) more tolerant with idiots that I am.
 
"All our drivers drive like sh1t save for one. He's the one driving/picking up my kids to/from school. It took me 15 years to dig this jewel."

As you already know , I was in your area recently- & yes a good driver must be priceless there!
We had a wonderful driver until his 12 hours were up & he did a change over with a different guy- the latter was abysmal, & at one point I got out & refused to get back in the car unless he calmed down. I had little choice but to get back in either because we were still 200km from our destination & it was night & in the middle of nowhere :D

(there's talk of us using a helicopter next time)
 
What is it like driving at night in Java? My only experience is Sumatra, the 2nd wild west after Kalimantan.

There "local" roads were subject to "highwaymen" who would fake an accident or a breakdown and flag down passing motorist then extort money at knife-point. So we did not drive at night the 70-odd kms to town. Those who did also ran the risk of running into an unlit logging truck and getting a tree through the windscreen/windshield for their troubles.

I'm thinking about, say, driving to somewhere like Karanghawu. Leaving after work on Friday. Tollways I assume are mostly OK.
 
What is it like driving at night in Java? My only experience is Sumatra, the 2nd wild west after Kalimantan.

There "local" roads were subject to "highwaymen" who would fake an accident or a breakdown and flag down passing motorist then extort money at knife-point. So we did not drive at night the 70-odd kms to town. Those who did also ran the risk of running into an unlit logging truck and getting a tree through the windscreen/windshield for their troubles.

I'm thinking about, say, driving to somewhere like Karanghawu. Leaving after work on Friday. Tollways I assume are mostly OK.

Not quite as bad as that. the biggest menance is the damn bikes, lights optional on the wrong side of the road. And trucks and cars overtaking on blind corners etc. And pot holes and chickens.

you get the idea.

it can be done, but be bloody careful.
 
Pretty much. The roads are probably in worse condition. But not by much. I drove in both countries.
I agree with you if you compare Jakarta or any big cities with Thailand. However, as soon as you go to tmore remote places I feel that the difference is pretty drastic in between both countries. Density of population, conditions of the roads and conditions of the vehicles all create hazards that you don't often find in Thailand, even in the remoteness of the North or Isaan. I've also been driving a fair bit in Thailand but I can't remember having been as cautious as I may be here whenever I am in the bush.
 
I agree with you if you compare Jakarta or any big cities with Thailand. However, as soon as you go to tmore remote places I feel that the difference is pretty drastic in between both countries. Density of population, conditions of the roads and conditions of the vehicles all create hazards that you don't often find in Thailand, even in the remoteness of the North or Isaan. I've also been driving a fair bit in Thailand but I can't remember having been as cautious as I may be here whenever I am in the bush.

That's kind of what I meant, Thai highways outside of Bangkok are still in pretty good condition but outside of main cities Indonesian highways are non-existent or horrendous. Rereading that I was a little too mild in stating that point.
 
The second time, I rear ended a guy rubbernecking an earlier accident on the toll apron. It was a rainy night and he was almost stopped in the fast lane. There was damage, but not so much that my car was disabled. I did not hang around to negotiate; traffic was sparse and it turned out that my Mazda was considerably faster than his Corolla. My insurance paid for my bumper repair.
So you hit the other driver, were at fault, and then just drove off because your car was faster than theirs?
 

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