Keep your head down when it comes to government posts

[Dave70]

Got word from the guy last night that he never received anything in writing or verbally at the airport other than telling him not to leave the gate after they handed him his passport. No escorts, no one watching him. He has a big red Deported stamp but no letter, no information on what the charges were or how long he is banned for. Seems like a very strange situation. I'm not sure I have ever heard of anything like this.

You mean he's still at the airport since last night?

 

[Hawk256]

You mean he's still at the airport since last night?

No he is already home. They handed him his passport, told him which gate to go to and sent him through security by himself. He had coordinated his departure with them. No verbal or written documentation other than the red deported stamp.

 

[Hawk256]

Here is the stamp he received, I assume it is standard.

 

[snpark]

Go home new passport. Try again 6 months unless fingerprints in system

 

[Hawk256]

Go home new passport. Try again 6 months unless fingerprints in system

Fingerprints in the system. He had been here for 30 years.

 

[Dave70]

No he is already home. They handed him his passport, told him which gate to go to and sent him through security by himself. He had coordinated his departure with them. No verbal or written documentation other than the red deported stamp.

Are they going to separate this man from his Indonesian wife? Forced divorce?

 

[Hawk256]

He had his agent check with immigration and found out that he is banned for 5 years for making the negative comment on the food program. The other things may have played a role in the decision but aren't being mentioned. Fair warning if your comments can be traced back to you and someone wants to cause a stink. He was reported by someone online. They told him that he would pay and for once the threats were real.

 

[Hawk256]

Are they going to separate this man from his Indonesian wife? Forced divorce?

He was not married. I suppose they would have no qualms about deporting him even if he was.

 

[Balifrog]

Are they going to separate this man from his Indonesian wife? Forced divorce?

Why ?
They can always meet / start another life in another country...
TBH, being married is not going to make a difference, and he should have know to keep a low profile !

 

[jstar]

Unlike what our two ‘experts’ above claim, being married to a WNI and having a KITAP does give you a better legal standing. Coming here for years on visa runs etc. don’t help.

It also shows you have family ties and established long-term contacts in the country. Immigration does consider these things. Don’t forget a sponsor is also financially responsible (for the deportation).

Obviously visa violations or activities that threaten the public order do make you vulnerable in any case.

 

[Hawk256]

Unlike what our two ‘experts’ above claim, being married to a WNI and having a KITAP does give you a better legal standing. Coming here for years on visa runs etc. don’t help.

It also shows you have family ties and established long-term contacts in the country. Immigration does consider these things. Don’t forget a sponsor is also financially responsible (for the deportation).

Obviously visa violations or activities that threaten the public order do make you vulnerable in any case.

Just for the record, they didn't ask his sponsor for any money but he was involved in the deportation process. Also,it wasn't exactly visa runs for most of the years. He was employed for most of them.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

Criticizing the school food program.

It would be interesting to know exactly what he wrote. There is a lot of criticism of that program all over social media, YouTube and even on this forum. Perhaps he wrote it in a way that was aimed at insulting one person in particular?
Also I don't think the fact that he helped orphans is relevant at all. Some of the worst offenders in history have hidden behind their charity work, for example Jimmy Savile. Giving money to charity doesn't then allow you to break other laws.

 

[snpark]

I help orphans by going to JW Marriott bar every Wednesday and drinking for half price and eating free buffet and chatting to ayam. It's Josef Fuchs Alpenstamtisch weekly event. Apparently it's a fund raiser. Where's my MBE. Or do I need to sing for the sports team finals now. Sorry Beckham. Lol.

Also I pledge one million dollars to the Yayasan for Orphans *

*when they make gay marriage legal in Aceh.

 

[harryopal1]

With the hurly burly of politics it is amazing as to how sensitive some politicians are once they are in power. A rickshaw driver in Somalia has been sentenced to three years in prison for comments she made on social media. Sadia Moalim Ali, a 27-year-old nursing graduate, made critical comments on Facebook and TikTok about the federal government of Somalia, speaking out about the youth unemployment and high fuel prices gripping the country, as well as against alleged corruption, nepotism and forced evictions.

Full story today with this link: https://www.theguardian.com/global-...-sentence-somalia-online-comments-governement

 

[Bob]

It would be interesting to know exactly what he wrote. There is a lot of criticism of that program all over social media, YouTube and even on this forum. Perhaps he wrote it in a way that was aimed at insulting one person in particular?
Also I don't think the fact that he helped orphans is relevant at all. Some of the worst offenders in history have hidden behind their charity work, for example Jimmy Savile. Giving money to charity doesn't then allow you to break other laws.

About that second paragraph, helping orphans wasn't mentioned as a mitigating factor but as a possible aggravating factor in the proceedings against the man.

 

[Hawk256]

It would be interesting to know exactly what he wrote. There is a lot of criticism of that program all over social media, YouTube and even on this forum. Perhaps he wrote it in a way that was aimed at insulting one person in particular?
Also I don't think the fact that he helped orphans is relevant at all. Some of the worst offenders in history have hidden behind their charity work, for example Jimmy Savile. Giving money to charity doesn't then allow you to break other laws.

I don't have access to the post and will not ask him for it since it would identify him. It would have been made in Indonesian also. He has several thousand followers (mostly Indonesian) so it would have been visible. According to him it was rather mild and didn't address anyone in particular but one person PM'd him and told him that he would pay for posting that. He blew it off as most people would. A few weeks later he was getting letters from Immigration delivered to him home via courier. It appears even the government doesn't trust the mail service.

In this case helping orpahans was used aginst him, not to help him. Good or bad I know for a fact he has helped raise in the hundreds of millions IDR over the years. Do what you will with that information.

 

[serious_fun]

Horrible situation.

 

[jstar]

Government posts in the US….

They went to his house and even visited the hotel where he was staying.

 

[Dave70]

Government posts in the US….

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They went to his house and even visited the hotel where he was staying.

Another New York resident says he was warned by officers after criticizing ICE

A second New York resident says federal officers have served him with a warning about online activity that criticized U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

apnews.com

A second upstate New York resident said Tuesday that federal officers have served him with a warning about online activity that criticized U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

An attorney representing David Streever, of Rochester, said Streever was on a trip to Finland when two officers showed up to his home last week and presented his wife with a warning notice informing him that an email he sent months earlier was a threat.

Streever sent the email to Todd Lyons, then the acting director of ICE, in January after an immigration officer fatally shot Minneapolis resident Renee Good during an anti-ICE demonstration. In the email, Streever called Lyons “a monstrous human being” who “will never know peace.”

The warning to Streever arrived the same week poll worker Paigelynne Gonyea, of Syracuse, said two federal officers visited her at a voting location during New York’s primaries to confront her about a social media post she’d written about the ICE officer who shot Good.

Federal agents also attempted to confront Streever at a hotel in New York City when he returned from Finland, but they were turned away by hotel staff, said Adam Steinbaugh, an attorney with the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression who is representing Streever.

In the email, Streever told Lyons: “The way you are protecting the obvious execution in Minnesota, even as we see the videos, will lead to your downfall,” according to Steinbaugh. “Even Trump will turn on you before the end, and you will be a sad, despised man who eats himself alive with shame at your own pathetic weakness.”

Representatives for ICE declined to comment, citing an ongoing investigation.

“ICE investigates all credible threats towards its employees and officers, including threats to the ICE Director,” the agency said in a statement.

Steinbaugh argued the email was protected speech.

“A true threat is a serious expression of an intent to commit violence. This email doesn’t even come close,” Steinbaugh said. “It’s political speech, it’s an act of petitioning your government.”

 

[centurion]

The strongest legal foundation is Article 33, para 3 of the constitution UUD1945 which states:
"Bumi dan air dan kekayaan alam yang terkandung di dalamnya dikuasai oleh negara dan dipergunakan untuk sebesar-besar kemakmuran rakyat."
"The land, the waters, and the natural resources contained therein shall be under the control of the State and shall be utilized for the greatest benefit and prosperity of the people."

The implementing legal framework was already established through UU_No_4_2009 on Mineral and Coal Mining. Article 112 required foreign-owned mining companies to divest shares to Indonesian entities after five years of production. But there is still a loophole in the wording mandated by UUD 45 Article 33, para 3 "....shall be under the control of the State "

UU_No_3_2020, which amended Law UU_No_4_2009, is closing this loophole by explicitly specifying the 51% divestment threshold, thereby closing ambiguities in the earlier legislation.

Freeport Indonesia officially reduced its ownership stake to 48.8% on 21 December 2018, e.g during the period between the enactment of UU_No_4_2009 and its amendment by Law UU_No_3_2020. Whether the company divested its majority stake primarily for commercial reasons or in anticipation of the amended law, which was widely expected to be enacted, as it implemented the constitutional mandate and clarified the existing divestment requirements by closing perceived loopholes; is ultimately a matter of personal interpretation. But this is actually irrelevant as de facto Freeport now only own 48.8% while the remaining 51.2% is now owned by Indonesia's state-owned enterprises and Indonesian private businesses which I mention in Post #31


Ahhh, again, differentiate between fact and your personal opinion.

It is a fact that the United Liberation Movement for West Papua (ULMWP/OPM) has received support from foreign sources. For example, the government of Vanuatu has consistently advocated for Papuan self-determination in international forums. Indonesian authorities have also found in multiple occasions that insurgents have obtained weapons or funding from foreign sources or through cross-border networks, particularly involving Papua New Guinea. In addition, some OPM fighters have reportedly crossed into Papua New Guinea to evade operations by the Indonesian military and police, using the border region as a refuge.

If you would like to discuss this further rather than simple stating someone post is wrong just because of personal opinion then please open a new thread a more appropriate thread to discuss this.

Freeport had the obligation to divest long time ago before the new law and they did not comply, and had to build a smelter too, and also did not build. They had a Contract of Work that was in a rank of law and theoretically gave them right to sue the government in international forum and get compensation, even if they had been restricted the extension. They choose to transition to the IUP style permit instead and they were properly paid for the shares they have divested.

Vanuatu? Really? I said nobody serious. If US, China or somebody similar supports Papuans they would be trained and properly armed, anb not with spears and stones.