WANTING TO BUY PROPERTY IN BATAM

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My wife and I (both British living in UK) would like to purchase a property in Batam.
I am struggling a bit with if this is possible. Any advice or links to help would be appreciated

Thank you
 
Foreigners cannot own property in Indonesia. One can lease a house only and get a 'serifikat hak pakai' for 25 years, if I am not wrong.
 
... I am struggling a bit with if this is possible ...
It is a complicate subject that many (me included) think it is not worth , unless you are rich and are sure you found a place to live for the rest of your life .
Restrictions are :
  • Resident foreigners can "own" only land with 'Hak Pakai/Right to Use' certificate (a kind of improved Leasehold) .
  • Properties for resident foreigners have restriction on : size , minimum price , ...

You will find more opinions here : https://www.expatindo.org/community...operty-ownership-options-for-foreigners.1602/
 
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From https://www.hukumonline.com/klinik/...an-harga-minimal-berikut-ini-lt5715b58ae2a3a/
Title : Foreigners Can Buy Residential Homes at the Following Minimum Prices
By Dian Dwi Jayanti, S.H. , Feb 2023
The article is an update of the article entitled "These are the requirements for houses and apartments that can be purchased by foreigners" written by Tri Jata Ayu Pramesti, S.H. and first published on April 22, 2016.

Poster's Note : Below is a free translation and resumed information of the article above . Interested people better read the original.

...From PP no.18 Year 2021 , resident foreigners can own :

(1) Landed houses on land :
  • "Hak Pakai/Right to Use" on State land; or
  • "Hak Pakai/Right to Use" (*converted from) "Hak Milik/Full Ownership" or (*from) agreement with a "Hak Pengelolaan/Management Rights" holder .
*Poster's interpretation

(2) Apartments built on land:
  • "Right to Use" or "Hak Guna Bangunan/Right to Build" on State land;
  • "Right to Use" or "Right to Build" on land with "Management Rights"; or
  • "Right to Use" or "Right to Build" on land with "Full Ownership".
Poster's Note : The above is confusing but could not translate it better

Minimum Price Limit for Residential Houses for Foreign Nationals
PerMen ATRBPN 18/2021 regulates the limits on home ownership for foreigners :

- for landed houses:
houses with the luxury category , 1 plot of land per person/family; and/or the land area is a maximum of 2,000 m2 .
Landed houses can be given more than 1 plot of land or an area of more than 2,000 m2, with permission from the Minister .

- for apartments : commercial category .

Then the price limit according to the Decree of the Minister of ATR/BPN 1241/2022 :
(a) For landed houses , minimum prices / location :
  • Rp5 billion in Jakarta , Bali , Java , Yogyakarta , ...
  • Rp3 billion in Nusa Tenggara Barat
  • Rp2 billion in Sumatera Utara , Kalimantan Timur , Kepulauan Riau , ...
  • Rp1 billion in other Provinces
(b) For apartments :
  • Rp3 billion in Jakarta
  • Rp2 billion in Bali , Yogyakarta , Java , ...
  • Rp1 billion in other Provincies .

The minimum price limit for diaspora is 75% of the price limit for landed houses or apartment ...
 
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My wife and I (both British living in UK) would like to purchase a property in Batam.
I am struggling a bit with if this is possible. Any advice or links to help would be appreciated

Thank you
What marcus has said is correct (but I am not rich lol)
I own 2 houses here in Indonesia however I have changed citizenship to Indonesian, and buying is a bit of a minefield, finding a place that can be legitimately sold, or is being legitimately sold... is part of it.
Yes, the prices can be amazingly cheap in comparison to the UK but the fact of the matter is that foreigners cannot own Indonesian land.
 
What marcus has said is correct (but I am not rich lol)
I own 2 houses here in Indonesia however I have changed citizenship to Indonesian, and buying is a bit of a minefield, finding a place that can be legitimately sold, or is being legitimately sold... is part of it.
Yes, the prices can be amazingly cheap in comparison to the UK but the fact of the matter is that foreigners cannot own Indonesian land.
Yea that sucks, because they can buy foreign land!
 
Yea that sucks, because they can buy foreign land!
you can buy foreign land too - not in Indonesia, India, Thailand, Vietnam, China, KSA, UAE and few other countries though. If you can't afford to buy nice property in Central London or Singapore, probably you can buy land outside the jungle of Colombia, chile or costarica.
 
Or ... Monaco.
I once stayed there in an apartment (with sea view) of a friend. I saw a bunch of mafia people at the property of a mansion next door ... with guns and such ... including the sun glasses 😎
 
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Yes it does. I was referring to if they can buy land in our country, then I would like the right to do the same here.

There are many things in this world that are not reciprocal. You mentioned purchasing property as an example which favour Indonesia. But what about visa-free travel? Before COVID-19, Indonesia and several other Asian countries offered visa-free entry to people from developed nations. Do developed countries offer similar reciprocal agreements to Indonesian citizen travel to their countries ??
 
Yes it does. I was referring to if they can buy land in our country, then I would like the right to do the same here.
Some States in the US and other areas in the world do not have regulations regarding female nudIty. When Indonesia has Regencies that follow suit I will start agreeing with you. Until then, each nation sets their own regulation in what they feel is best for themselves.
 
Some States in the US and other areas in the world do not have regulations regarding female nudIty. When Indonesia has Regencies that follow suit I will start agreeing with you. Until then, each nation sets their own regulation in what they feel is best for themselves.
All very good points! I would like a world where we can all travel, live, go nude, drink booze, smoke pot, Everywhere! With no visa's or passports!
 
Before COVID-19, Indonesia and several other Asian countries offered visa-free entry to people from developed nations. Do developed countries offer similar reciprocal agreements to Indonesian citizen travel to their countries ??
Indonesia offered visa free entry for commercial reasons and it worked well as the number of foreign tourists was on the top, benefiting the economy.
Developed countries are not allowing visa free entry for Indonesians among others as it is a developing country, a potential risk of illegal immigration of potentially poor and low skilled labor.

Reciprocity in real estate ownership is relatively oftern in international law.
 
I think maybe you have already been partaking in the potted herb.
Ahh yes, the Sunny California Daze! Aye but that's just a fond memory living here. They should legalize it here like America, and make a ton of money on permits, for farmers 25% tax, tax transporting it 25%, tax at the shops in towns selling it, 25%, all total 75% tax
Sadly by doing this, they killed the business for small Mom and Pop family run farms, Now it's only the rich, (mafia) who can afford the fees. So the government, did succeed in destroying the pot industry, and made a lot of poor people bankrupt.
 
Ahh yes, the Sunny California Daze! Aye but that's just a fond memory living here. They should legalize it here like America, and make a ton of money on permits, for farmers 25% tax, tax transporting it 25%, tax at the shops in towns selling it, 25%, all total 75% tax
Sadly by doing this, they killed the business for small Mom and Pop family run farms, Now it's only the rich, (mafia) who can afford the fees. So the government, did succeed in destroying the pot industry, and made a lot of poor people bankrupt.
Ah yes, all that tax that most would find ways around or just ignore completely. I'm sure Aceh would love to legalize their current cash crop.
 
All very good points! I would like a world where we can all travel, live, go nude, drink booze, smoke pot, ...
In many European cities, you can experience most of the activities you have mentioned. For instance, if you are interested in smoking pot, Amsterdam is the place to be. There are coffee shops where you can purchase and enjoy weeds without being afraid of getting arrested.

If you are into nudism or want to explore it, visit a nudist beach or an FKK (Freikörperkultur) club. You will see people of all genders in the buff. You might discover even more unique personal experiences there.
 
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Ah yes, all that tax that most would find ways around or just ignore completely. I'm sure Aceh would love to legalize their current cash crop.
Before the legalization, there was no tax. But plenty of helicopters and traffic stops which resulted in serious fines, and some imprisonment, it was proven, the War on Drugs did not work, only made many suffer, and the prison system a lot of money. So people thought , great if it's legal, all that trouble would stop. So the people passed the legalization laws. It opened up the government to create a new source of revenue and be able to control peoples livelihood even more, through strict rules, and high cost for permits and taxation. It could not be as you say ignored, or find a way around. The police there have lots of toys to spy on everyone, with a heavy hand.
So I don't think if this happened in Aceh, they could afford the expensive permits or high taxes. The point I am trying to make is This herb has been proven to be powerfully effective to help people suffering from Glaucoma, epilepsy, spasms, nausea from chemotherapy, etc.

Now the government promotes Alcohol, tobacco, pharmaceutical drugs, which they can tax heavily. I say let the people try marijuana, and make their own decision if they like it, or want to use it medicinally.
Saying it is on the level as Narcotics, is an out and out lie!
 
Indonesia offered visa free entry for commercial reasons and it worked well as the number of foreign tourists was on the top, benefiting the economy.
Developed countries are not allowing visa free entry for Indonesians among others as it is a developing country, a potential risk of illegal immigration of potentially poor and low skilled labor.

Reciprocity in real estate ownership is relatively oftern in international law.

While I support the idea that people should be able to purchase land in foreign countries, I am not sure if there is an international law that universally governs this, akin to universal human rights. My understanding is that the reciprocal agreements regarding land ownership are typically based on bilateral treaties between nations. So such reciprocal right will only take effect if both countries mutually agree, but they are not universally applicable.

A good example is the Philippines; it has a policy allowing foreign nationals to purchase land, but only if their home country grants the same right to the Philippine citizens abroad. But as I understand it, Indonesia does not have any bilateral agreements with other countries regarding land ownership or stated anywhere in Indonesian agrarian law.

I have long criticized the Indonesian government and culture for cherry-picking policies when it suits them. What they have missed here is that other countries could do retaliation, so careful assessment will need to be done.

Beyond land ownership, the issue of the right to work is another example. In many developed countries, individuals gain the right to work if they marry a local citizen or hold permanent residency. In contrast, in Indonesia, even if you have been married for years and living in the country, you cannot work without obtaining a work permit.
 
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