Visa indeks 318 Repatriasi - Eks. Wni, unmarried, sponsor orang tua - Apa harus jadi Wni di akhir itap 5 tahun?

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Hi guys / gals (all seniors members). Saya member baru, mohon maklum jika melanggar etika / aturan forum. Mohon bimbingan semua.

Saya dalam proses renew Kitas 318. Saya eks. WNI umur 32 tahun, sponsor orang tua, belum married. Kemarin mau alih status kitas ke itap di bilangin harus renew sekali lagi baru bisa apply for itap. Itas saya sudah 1 tahun sudah abis, sekarang renew untuk tahun ke 2. Bc saya ngga mau argue, saya renew kitas saya, kemarin berkas2 untuk kitas renewal sudah di terima dan kata org imigrasi pasti di approve tinggal nunggu bayar dan di foto.

Kata officernya berhubungan passport saya expired Augustus 2022, saya harus renew juga, untuk alih status harus paling kurang 2 tahun sebelum expired. Jadi mungkin minggu depan sesudah kitas di approved saya mau renew.

Pertanahan saya:
1. Apa teman teman semua punya pengalaman yg sama / apa itu yg di bilang petugas imigrasi apa teman2 mau alih status?

2. Apa yg di bilangin ke saya itu peraturan yg betul seusai UU? Saya baca Perhukumham No. 43 Tahun 2015 No. 1833, 2015 (Pasal 37 dan Pasal 53 ayat 3) eks Wni bisa langsung alih status disaat dapat itas. Apa peraturan ini sudah tidak berlaku / sudah di ganti?

3. Saya juga di bilangin pas nanti kalu saya sudah dapat Itap 5 tahun and when saya mau apply for itap unlimited, chance di approve is very slim, bakal ditolak. Karena saya diharuskan apply for wni bc jalur original saya itas visa 318 Repatriasi. Untuk saat ini saya belum mau jadi wni, salah satu faktor utamanya, saya ngga punya spare 50 - 100 juta rupiah (ngga tau harga pasti, hanya dengar dari org2) hanya untuk apply jadi wni dan belum pasti bakal di approve.
3a) Apa ini benar karena kitas saya bisa 318 repatriasi, jadi saya harus apply jadi wni di Lahir itap 5 tahun saya?
3b) Karena alasan di atas, itap unlimited saya 90-95% bakal di tolak?

4. Saya disarankan apply lagi untuk kitas 317 penyatuan keluarga, which kembali ke year 0, lebih lama lagi saya dapat Itap. Apa ini langkah yg tepat objectively?

Saya di suruh kawin biar di sponsor Istri melalui jalur c317 penyatuan keluarga. Tapi saya ngga mau asal kawin demi ijin tinggal. I will suffer in loveless marriage.

I’m so confused, don’t know what else to do. It seems all roads I take will lead time, emotional, and financial loss. I’m not some trust fund kids who got cash laying around or ask my parents to throw money for all the roadblocks.

Mohon di share pengalaman teman2. Maaf for posting long post. Terima kasih untuk kesempatan bertanya dan berbagi pengalaman. Thanks again!
 

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I'm WNA, so I don't know much about your exWNI ITAS/ITAP situation.
Anecdotally, I also had to get a new passport because I had less than two years left on the old one.

I was also told to continue applying for ITAS in spite of being eligible for an ITAP. I say that, but I know nothing about whether or not you have to renew your ITAS x number of times first. That was the previous regulation for Spouse Sponsored ITAS (my grouping before I got an ITAP), but the new regulation requires years of marriage rather than years of residency.

Sorry I can't be of any more help, but my reading the exWNI regulations and guessing at how they are implemented would just further confuse you. The immigration guy isn't likely to take HM's word for it, anyways.
 

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Hi HappyMan, thank you for sharing your story. Yeah I know, it’s so confusing. The UU says one thing and people at immigration other things. It seems the rules are different for each office and based on the officer mood at that time.

I already accepted that I have to renew my ITAS this time, the apply for 5 year ITAP. But my only concern down the road that I have to apply for indo citizenship at the end of my 5th ITAP (as I been told by the petugas bc my c318 kitas route, but I couldn’t find any of this in UU that says so). I’m debating whether I’m gonna keep go on this ITAP via KITAS c318 route or backtrack apply again for KITAS c317 (which going back to year 0, and have to renew my ITAS X times before ITAP).

Thanks so much HaapyMan, any story, any experience helped. So glad I came across this forum. You have a blissful day man!
 

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Hi guys / gals (all seniors members). I am a new member, please understand if it violates the ethics / rules of the forum. Please guide everyone.

I am in the process of renewing Kitas 318. I am ex. 32 years old Indonesian citizen, sponsored by parents, not yet married. Yesterday, when I wanted to change our status to itap, I was told that I had to renew once again before I could apply for itap. My ITAS has been over for 1 year, now I'm renewing it for the 2nd year. Bc I don't want to argue, I renewed my book, yesterday the files for the renewal application were received and the immigration person said it would be approved, just waiting to pay and take a photo.

The officer said that my passport expired in August 2022, I had to renew it too, to change the status it had to be at least 2 years before it expired. So maybe next week after we are approved I want to renew.

My land:
1. Did all of you have the same experience / did the immigration officer say that you want to change your status?

2. What was told to me was the correct regulation after the law? I read Law No. 43 of 2015 No. 1833, 2015 (Article 37 and Article 53 paragraph 3) ex-citizens can immediately change their status when they get their status. Is this rule no longer valid / has it been changed?

3. I will also be told when I get itap for 5 years and when I want to apply for itap unlimited, the chance to be approved is very slim, it will be rejected. Because I am required to apply for WNI Bc, my original route is a Visa 318 Repatriation. For now, I don't want to become a citizen, one of the main factors, I don't have spare 50-100 million rupiah (don't know the exact price, only heard from org2), only to apply to become a citizen and not sure it will be approved
3a) Is this true because my Kitas can repatriate 318, so I have to apply to become an Indonesian citizen in my 5 year stay?
3b) Due to the reasons above, will my 90-95% unlimited itap be rejected?

4. I was advised to apply again for the 317 family unification program, which returns to year 0, the longer it takes for me to get an Itap. Is this the right step objectively?

I was ordered to marry so that my wife sponsored me through the c317 family unification route. But I don't want to just get married for a residence permit. I will suffer in a loveless marriage.

I’m so confused, don’t know what else to do. It seems all roads I take will lead time, emotional, and financial loss. I’m not some trust fund kids who got cash laying around or ask my parents to throw money for all the roadblocks.

Please share experiences friends. Sorry for posting a long post. Thank you for the opportunity to ask questions and share experiences. Thanks again!
For ex-WNI 318 it should be possible to get KITAP immediately after KITAS, the 1st one. Passport length is important for the visa only, so 2022 should not be a problem for a KITAS/KITAP extensions.

If you have KITAP for 5 years, the next extension is unlimited (you cannot get another 5 years even if you want, it will be unlimited).

Looks like the immigration officer or advisor is giving you a ride for certain reasons. What immigration office is that?
 

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Hi Centurion

Yes, that what I thought too. August 2022 passport expiration is still plenty of time for my KITAS to KITAP conversion. I still have 10 pages left in my passport too.

I don’t want to argue / appear confrontational with them, given they hold all the cards, I just agreed to my 2nd KITAS renewal, and going to renew my passport. They approved my second KITAS renewal. Just made payment for 2.5 jt rupiah. Still waiting for the picture. I’m going to apply for 5 year KITAP once I got my new passport.

But now I’m confuse. If in the future when I have my 5 year KITAP, the petugas told me my chance for unlimited / seumur hidup KITAP to be approved is slim bc of said UU that I have to apply for Indo citizenship. Is it true that I have to (they stressed that I Ought/ I must/ no other way around bc my KITAP is converted from KITAS C318 Repatriasi, as in the Undang-Undang), I have to apply for Indo citizenship at the end of my 5th year KITAP? Is it just bunch of BS made up laws by the petugas? I can’t find it in any Undang-Undang that says otherwise. If so, can you or any teman teman here point me out to that specific UU, please?

They also said if I don’t want to apply for Indo citizenship, my next KITAP extension / when applying for unlimited one will get rejected and most likely I have to leave the country or apply from ground 1 which is Kitas year 0. It got me so stress and depress.

I’m in Manado. The petugas are friendly and helpful. It just their answers were different with the UU I read nor I can find anywhere the bizarre laws that require one to apply for Indo citizenship given their c318 repatriasi KITAS to KITAP route. I know they are good people, at times they helped me sincerely, but now I question their sincerity. Am I being lied to and being gaslighted?

I really need teman teman help point me to the right direction. I’m sorry for the long post and keep repeating my worries. Thank you so much Centurion man! And teman2 here! Hope you all have great and stress less day!

If you guys have any info, please let me know ya. Thanks again!
 

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Just realized my original post was in Indo, and some friends here might have hard time answering my questions. Google translation butchered the sentences and some of the sentences doesn’t make sense. If it’s not redundant and ok with you guys, I will try post them again in English. Thanks guys!
 

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Just realized my original post was in Indo, and some friends here might have hard time answering my questions. Google translation butchered the sentences and some of the sentences doesn’t make sense. If it’s not redundant and ok with you guys, I will try post them again in English. Thanks guys!
Oh Ok, I thought you were using the Agnes Monica way of communicating (code-mixing). I was trying to work out how many years you had spent in Indo as a child before leaving, my guess was around 5.
 

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Oh Ok, I thought you were using the Agnes Monica way of communicating (code-mixing). I was trying to work out how many years you had spent in Indo as a child before leaving, my guess was around 5.
Hahaha I know mea culpa, I should read the forum name which is Expat not Indo forum. I will try to repost everything in English asap latest tonight. It makes sense in Indo but google translate will butcher the hell out of it. Thanks for the heads up!
 

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Better to keep it in the Queens English. After all it is an expat forum predominantly and not everyone is as fluent (or not) as you
 

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Hi Centurion

Yes, that what I thought too. August 2022 passport expiration is still plenty of time for my KITAS to KITAP conversion. I still have 10 pages left in my passport too.

I don’t want to argue / appear confrontational with them, given they hold all the cards, I just agreed to my 2nd KITAS renewal, and going to renew my passport. They approved my second KITAS renewal. Just made payment for 2.5 jt rupiah. Still waiting for the picture. I’m going to apply for 5 year KITAP once I got my new passport.

But now I’m confuse. If in the future when I have my 5 year KITAP, the petugas told me my chance for unlimited / seumur hidup KITAP to be approved is slim bc of said UU that I have to apply for Indo citizenship. Is it true that I have to (they stressed that I Ought/ I must/ no other way around bc my KITAP is converted from KITAS C318 Repatriasi, as in the Undang-Undang), I have to apply for Indo citizenship at the end of my 5th year KITAP? Is it just bunch of BS made up laws by the petugas? I can’t find it in any Undang-Undang that says otherwise. If so, can you or any teman teman here point me out to that specific UU, please?

They also said if I don’t want to apply for Indo citizenship, my next KITAP extension / when applying for unlimited one will get rejected and most likely I have to leave the country or apply from ground 1 which is Kitas year 0. It got me so stress and depress.

I’m in Manado. The petugas are friendly and helpful. It just their answers were different with the UU I read nor I can find anywhere the bizarre laws that require one to apply for Indo citizenship given their c318 repatriasi KITAS to KITAP route. I know they are good people, at times they helped me sincerely, but now I question their sincerity. Am I being lied to and being gaslighted?

I really need teman teman help point me to the right direction. I’m sorry for the long post and keep repeating my worries. Thank you so much Centurion man! And teman2 here! Hope you all have great and stress less day!

If you guys have any info, please let me know ya. Thanks again!
There are no limits to convert 318 KITAS to KITAP or to unlimited KITAP. 318 holder does not need to take citizenship if he does not want to.

The immigration officer is maybe having some agenda, or if they are out of Jakarta/Java/Bali, they have less knowledge. You should speak with somebody higher in the hierarchy.
 

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There are no limits to convert 318 KITAS to KITAP or to unlimited KITAP. 318 holder does not need to take citizenship if he does not want to.

The immigration officer is maybe having some agenda, or if they are out of Jakarta/Java/Bali, they have less knowledge. You should speak with somebody higher in the hierarchy.
Thank you so much Centurion. Thanks for clearing so much things. That’s what I thought too, it’s illogical to force / make someone (perhaps indirectly by setting up so much restrictions and requirements) to take citizenship of a certain country. Yeah I was so surprised when they told me. But I hope it’s the latter, which they have less knowledge.

Will do that, but I’m afraid the guy I spoke with is one of the higher up in here. I hope my guts is right that the petugas helping me sincerely. I don’t know whether I want to find out that our relationship is fake. I just too afraid to find out. If I go higher, and they find out, sure they will get offended and sour our relationship. I trust them. Thanks for the suggestion, but definitely I have to go higher (I.e. find some one in Jkt to find the truth). Thanks again Centurion!!

Side thought: dual citizenship seems nice :)
 

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This is an English summary of my first post and additional new thoughts and questions. I apologize to some members if it’s redundant. My original / revision / addition post was:
I’m an ex WNI, currently renewing my KITAS FOR 1st time / going into my 2nd year KITAS. I have KITAS C318 Repatriasi, unmarried and have parents as sponsor. Originally I want to convert my KITAS to KITAP, but the petugas told me that I have to renew once / in my 2nd year of KITAS before I can alih status to KITAP, or else even though I submit my application, it won’t get approved. Since I don’t want to argue, I agreed to renew my KITAS. Update: today they call me to get my picture taken, which I’ll go tomorrow morning.
They told me that I need to renew my passport to apply for KITAP. My passport expired next year, August 2022. So once I have my passport back, I’ll renew it.
They also told me that later in the future when I have my 5 year KITAP, at the end of my 5th year I have (stressed on I ought to/ I must / no other way around) to apply for Indo citizenship. It’s bc my KITAP is converted from KITAS c318 Repatriasi (KITAP via alih status from KITAS C318 Repatriasi), which the route for ex WNI who wants to regain their Indo citizenship. Hence when I apply for KITAP unlimited, most likely (90% or higher) it won’t get approved bc I was expected to apply for Indo citizenship and living here with KITAP. My application will be rejected. If I don’t apply, the Dirjen will question my action of not applying for citizenship. I’m still undecided whether I want to regain my Indo citizenship, main reason is money. Been told to apply I need to pay like around 50 - 100 jt rupiah (don’t know the right cost, that’s just from what I hear from people). I don’t have this kind of money.

They suggest that if I don’t want to apply for citizenship by the end of 5th year of ITAP. But hell, I don’t want to get married just for the sake of visa. I’m sure I’ll suffer if I ever get into a loveless marriage.
Man I’m so confused whether I’m in a right route. They also suggest taking the c317 penyatuan keluarga route, which I won’t be required to apply for citizenship at the end of 5 year KITAP. I’m debating should I back track and take their suggestion, which start over from year 0 KITAS if I make new application for c317. What I read in Undang-Undang is different than what they say. I know there at times they really came through and helped me out. Even though there is always some degree of self preservation and self interest, I want to believe that they are to some degree sincere and deep down good people. I’m debating / lost / confused / depressed whether to continue to push on and continue on applying for KITAP with my c318 KITAS or start over with c317 and start with KITAS year 0 to avoid “said requirement to apply for citizenship by the end of 5th year of KITAP that converted from c318”.
I’m just waiting / praying that indo government will pass / revise the UU regarding dual citizenship.

Questions:
  1. Do you guys have the same experience / been told similar things?
  2. Perhukumham No. 43 Tahun 2015, no. 1833 (Article 37 and Article 53 verse 3) says ex WNI can immediately apply for / convert to ITAP once they have ITAS. It doesn’t set any time limit during that first year of ITAS to apply for ITAP. But I was told I need to renew my ITAS once / during my second year of ITAS to apply for ITAP as per instructed by Dirjen in Jakarta. Does this law (previously mentioned) been changed / been annulled? If so, what is the replacement law?
  3. Is it true that for ex Wni that have KITAP through KITAS c318 Repatriasi, ought/ must/ regardless said person want it or not, they required by law to apply for Indo citizenship by the end of their first 5 year KITAP? Bc c318 only given only given to those who want their Indo citizenship back, hence gov’t required all KITAP from c318 KITAS holder to apply for citizenship. If not they will penalize by not given / their KITAP unlimited application will be rejected. Hence they will deported if not be able to secure another visa. So is it true? Or just bunch of made up BS? If true where can I find it in Undang-Undang?
  4. As mentioned above, I was given option to start over with KITAS c317 Penyatuan Keluarga, which year 0 KITAS, to avoid the said citizenship requirement due to c318. Objectively is it the only safest way for peace of mind KITAP down the road? Or it’s just some made up boogey man and c318 route is as safe as c317?
  5. New question, do KITAP from c317 route and c318 different? Or they are the same?
  6. All consequences are on me, I won’t blame anyone for the suggestions. Do you guys think should I stick to c318 and get KITAP through it or start over with c317?
Thank you for HappyMan, Centurion, and other friends for answering my questions.

If any of you have any new information, please feels free post them. All helps are welcome. Thanks guys!!
 

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Hi guys / gals (all seniors members). Saya member baru, mohon maklum jika melanggar etika / aturan forum. Mohon bimbingan semua.

Saya dalam proses renew Kitas 318. Saya eks. WNI umur 32 tahun, sponsor orang tua, belum married. Kemarin mau alih status kitas ke itap di bilangin harus renew sekali lagi baru bisa apply for itap. Itas saya sudah 1 tahun sudah abis, sekarang renew untuk tahun ke 2. Bc saya ngga mau argue, saya renew kitas saya, kemarin berkas2 untuk kitas renewal sudah di terima dan kata org imigrasi pasti di approve tinggal nunggu bayar dan di foto.

Kata officernya berhubungan passport saya expired Augustus 2022, saya harus renew juga, untuk alih status harus paling kurang 2 tahun sebelum expired. Jadi mungkin minggu depan sesudah kitas di approved saya mau renew.

Pertanahan saya:
1. Apa teman teman semua punya pengalaman yg sama / apa itu yg di bilang petugas imigrasi apa teman2 mau alih status?

2. Apa yg di bilangin ke saya itu peraturan yg betul seusai UU? Saya baca Perhukumham No. 43 Tahun 2015 No. 1833, 2015 (Pasal 37 dan Pasal 53 ayat 3) eks Wni bisa langsung alih status disaat dapat itas. Apa peraturan ini sudah tidak berlaku / sudah di ganti?

3. Saya juga di bilangin pas nanti kalu saya sudah dapat Itap 5 tahun and when saya mau apply for itap unlimited, chance di approve is very slim, bakal ditolak. Karena saya diharuskan apply for wni bc jalur original saya itas visa 318 Repatriasi. Untuk saat ini saya belum mau jadi wni, salah satu faktor utamanya, saya ngga punya spare 50 - 100 juta rupiah (ngga tau harga pasti, hanya dengar dari org2) hanya untuk apply jadi wni dan belum pasti bakal di approve.
3a) Apa ini benar karena kitas saya bisa 318 repatriasi, jadi saya harus apply jadi wni di Lahir itap 5 tahun saya?
3b) Karena alasan di atas, itap unlimited saya 90-95% bakal di tolak?

4. Saya disarankan apply lagi untuk kitas 317 penyatuan keluarga, which kembali ke year 0, lebih lama lagi saya dapat Itap. Apa ini langkah yg tepat objectively?

Saya di suruh kawin biar di sponsor Istri melalui jalur c317 penyatuan keluarga. Tapi saya ngga mau asal kawin demi ijin tinggal. I will suffer in loveless marriage.

I’m so confused, don’t know what else to do. It seems all roads I take will lead time, emotional, and financial loss. I’m not some trust fund kids who got cash laying around or ask my parents to throw money for all the roadblocks.

Mohon di share pengalaman teman2. Maaf for posting long post. Terima kasih untuk kesempatan bertanya dan berbagi pengalaman. Thanks again!

I'm an "Ex" myself as well and hope things will turn out well. I myself am looking to make the jump from Work-Sponsored Kitas to Spouse-Sponsored Kitas which would then lead to a Spouse-Sponsored Kitap.

1.I've been gathering a lot of information and one thing that I found recently was that if you get a Kitap and your passport expires, you can get a mutasi paspor which is they put the stamps etc. in your new passport as well. So this contradicts what the Immigration Officer told you.

That said, there are a lot of variables especially as regards asking Immigration Officers about converting from Kitas to Kitap ie. the officer doesn't really know (and in the Indonesian custom, doesn't want to admit he doesn't know), the officer is fishing for you to ask "Could you give me some 'help', Pak?", the officer doesn't want the Immigration Office to lose your "business" (If you think about it, a Kitas brings in an annual revenue for the Immigration Office whether legally or in side income whereas a Kitap is a once every five years).

2 & 3. When it comes to Immigration info, patiently crosschecking and looking for information is essential due to the variables above. Crosscheck on these forums and crosscheck with agents (if they allow for free consultation). Information should be considered credible if multiple sources agree.

Cross checking with someone from a higher rank in the bureaucracy and checking with what Jakarta says is good, but the downside is that, you can get stuck playing a "That's how they do it there, this is how we do it in this immigration office" situation. I tend to consult with the relevant immigration office rather than the Immigration Head Office.

But the question is are there good reputable agents in Manado? Even if you don't end up using them at the very least you can crosscheck information. Make sure they're good though because if they're not, they're no better than immigration officers who actually don't know things but don't want to admit it. A good rule of thumb is how generous they are with information.

4. Putting aside love and focusing on immigration-related issues, if you're married to a WNI you can get a Kitas sponsored by your wife. If you've been married for more than 2 years you're eligible to convert to a spouse-sponsored Kitap.

On whether or not you go back to "0", that's something I'm still looking around myself because different sources have given me different answers.
 

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I'm an "Ex" myself as well and hope things will turn out well. I myself am looking to make the jump from Work-Sponsored Kitas to Spouse-Sponsored Kitas which would then lead to a Spouse-Sponsored Kitap.

1.I've been gathering a lot of information and one thing that I found recently was that if you get a Kitap and your passport expires, you can get a mutasi paspor which is they put the stamps etc. in your new passport as well. So this contradicts what the Immigration Officer told you.

That said, there are a lot of variables especially as regards asking Immigration Officers about converting from Kitas to Kitap ie. the officer doesn't really know (and in the Indonesian custom, doesn't want to admit he doesn't know), the officer is fishing for you to ask "Could you give me some 'help', Pak?", the officer doesn't want the Immigration Office to lose your "business" (If you think about it, a Kitas brings in an annual revenue for the Immigration Office whether legally or in side income whereas a Kitap is a once every five years).

2 & 3. When it comes to Immigration info, patiently crosschecking and looking for information is essential due to the variables above. Crosscheck on these forums and crosscheck with agents (if they allow for free consultation). Information should be considered credible if multiple sources agree.

Cross checking with someone from a higher rank in the bureaucracy and checking with what Jakarta says is good, but the downside is that, you can get stuck playing a "That's how they do it there, this is how we do it in this immigration office" situation. I tend to consult with the relevant immigration office rather than the Immigration Head Office.

But the question is are there good reputable agents in Manado? Even if you don't end up using them at the very least you can crosscheck information. Make sure they're good though because if they're not, they're no better than immigration officers who actually don't know things but don't want to admit it. A good rule of thumb is how generous they are with information.

4. Putting aside love and focusing on immigration-related issues, if you're married to a WNI you can get a Kitas sponsored by your wife. If you've been married for more than 2 years you're eligible to convert to a spouse-sponsored Kitap.

On whether or not you go back to "0", that's something I'm still looking around myself because different sources have given me different answers.

Hi SamR

Sorry for the long reply. Let’s hope it turn out well for all of us. From what I heard from the petugas here, they say spouse sponsor is easier, but of course it has its own challenges too. Let’s hope the petugas that help us not making things difficult.

How’s your experience as ex.wni? Do you mind I’m asking if you planning to become Wni again?

Man I can’t wait the day the govt allows dual citizenship. It’s been almost 10 years since Jokowi says they gonna review the citizenship UU. Do think it will become reality in the next 10 years? Or perhaps it’s just a pipe dream and empty promise to appeases the diaspora?

1. Yeah I think it shouldn’t be a big deal if our passport still have like at least more than 6 months validity. But I just don’t want to argue with them. Also I don’t want them to use my passport expiration(Aug 22) as an excuse for rejecting my ITAP application in the future. What you are saying is right. They can just mutasi the stamp into the new passport, but hell they got the last word. I’m just gonna give in on this one, renewing my passport it’s not a bad idea too.

So true, yearly KITAS brings more revenue. But it’s kind of F’up (sorry if we can’t say it in this forum. In my defense, it’s a proper Queens, NY English :) ) to play with people emotions and lives just to earn more. Probably I’m just too naive.

2&3. Yeah down side of not living in Java is having not many or perhaps none good agent. All infos are either from online or from the local immigration office. Even if we quote the UU or whatever resources online, at most they say it’s not the way no more or new regulation came out even though we can’t find it anywhere online. It seems each office have their own sets of rules and ways doing things. When I just moved here, I’m really having hard time holding my tongue and not arguing with the petugas. I guess we used to say whatever in our mind outside of Indo hahaha.

Yeah the officers also say it’s easier if it’s spouse sponsored. I know I’m not perfect, nor I’m not a supermodel material. No one is perfect. Perhaps I’m too picky, but I’m not asking for supermodel wife either. Appearance aside it seems I haven’t been able to find some one that I can really click with. Hahahaha just my luck. I heard a story of a friend of a friend. Every time they argue the wife always threaten to not sponsoring him anymore or whenever he need to renew visa or whatever surat2, the wife always acting up and kind of black mailing him (emotionally and financially). Given not all women like that, men too can be like that. But I just don’t want to be in that position, given if I’m just marrying some one for visa. Hahahaha idk I just overthink it probably.


Yeah the dilemma, I’m still thinking/debating too. Let’s hope we can find the best solution soon, a solution that fits for us, the worry and stress are killing me. Let’s hope and I’m sure good days are on the way. At least what I’m telling my self to keep me sane. I’m glad we all can share infos and experiences here.

Cheers to all of us!!
 

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4. Putting aside love and focusing on immigration-related issues, if you're married to a WNI you can get a Kitas sponsored by your wife. If you've been married for more than 2 years you're eligible to convert to a spouse-sponsored Kitap.
You sure that's 2 years? It was five last time I read the UU, unless I've forgotten. Has been a couple of years.

***Edit: The post above is incorrect. See posts #21, 25
 
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