Van religie veranderen

Ferdy1954

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Ik zoek antwoord op een vraag.
Ik ben nederlander en "getrouwd" met een indonesische vrouw.
Getrouwd tussen aanhalings tekens om dat mijn huwelijk vals vermeld te zijn. Ik was moslim geworden om te kunnen trouwen. Maar de religieuse Ustads zijn blijkbaar niet te vertrouwen. Dus is mijn huwelijk ongeldig en kan mijn Itas niet verlengen.
Hertrouwen bij KUA gaat niet gemakkelijk.
Dus mijn vrouw en ik hebben besloten van geloof te veranderen. We willen van moslim status af.
We willen wel hertrouwen. Maar bij welk geloof hier is makkelijker te trouwen. Islam teveel moeilijkheden.
Welk geloof is raadzaam aan te nemen en minder moeilijk om te trouwen hier??
 

atlantis

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I married as a Christian. It was easy.

But the difficulty may not be to organize a marriage in another faith, but for the bride to convert from Muslim to any other faith to be able to marry in that faith.
 

Ferdy1954

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I married as a Christian. It was easy.

But the difficulty may not be to organize a marriage in another faith, but for the bride to convert from Muslim to any other faith to be able to marry in that faith.
Is it difficult to change religion from Islam to another faith?
What are the possible troubles we can get ?
 

harryopal

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Depending on where you are it can be more than difficult it can be fatal. Not something to talk about in Aceh with Sharia law.
This below is from Wikipedia"

According to Abdul Rashied Omar, the majority of modern Islamic jurists continue to regard apostasy as a crime deserving the death penalty.[12] Some regard apostasy in Islam as a form of religious crime, although others do not.[6][5][19] Others argue that the death penalty is an inappropriate punishment,[20][21][22][23] inconsistent with the Qur'anic injunctions such as Quran 88:21–22[24] or "no compulsion in religion";[25] and/or that it was a man-made rule enacted in the early Islamic community to prevent and punish the equivalent of desertion or treason,[26] and should be enforced only if apostasy becomes a mechanism of public disobedience and disorder (fitna).[27] According to Khaled Abou El Fadl, moderate Muslims do not believe that apostasy requires punishment.[24] Critics[28][29] argue that the death penalty or other punishment for apostasy in Islam is a violation of universal human rights, and an issue of freedom of faith and conscience.[20][30]
As of 2014, laws in various Muslim-majority countries prescribed for the apostate (Arabic: مرتد‎ murtadd) sentences ranging from execution to a prison term to no punishment.[31][32] Sharia courts in some countries use civil code to void the Muslim apostate's marriage and to deny child-custody rights as well as inheritance rights.[33] From 1985 to 2006, three governments executed four individuals for apostasy from Islam: "one in Sudan in 1985; two in Iran, in 1989 and 1998; and one in Saudi Arabia in 1992."[25] Twenty-three Muslim-majority countries, as of 2013, additionally covered apostasy from Islam through their criminal laws.[34] The Tunisian Constitution of 2014 stipulates protection from attacks based on accusations of apostasy.[35] In a Pew Research Center poll, public support for capital punishment for apostasy among Muslims ranged from 78% in Afghanistan to less than 1% in Kazakhstan.
 

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Officially according to the constitution (grondwet) anyone can have the religion they choose of course. So it is possible to change this (on the KTP). And to avoid conflict, people around you don't really need to know.

But religions like Christianity (Protestant or Catholic) will not just marry you, there will be an intake interview etc. Now Buddhism / Hinduism / Confucianism are easier, but even then there are procedures.

To avoid issues, marrying abroad could be a better option. So perhaps for obvious reasons in The Netherlands, or closer by in Singapore, Bangkok or even Australia. Then the religion is irrelevant and you can register the marriage at the Catatan Sipil in Indonesia.

{Om problemen te vermijden, is een huwelijk in het buitenland waarschijnlijk aangewezen. Misschien het beste in Nederland, maar dichterbij in Singapore, Bangkok of Australië kan ook. Dan heeft de gekozen godsdienst geen belang en jullie kunnen het huwelijk in Indonesië inschrijven bij de Burgerlijke Stand.}
 

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[QUOTE = "jstar, post: 66240, lid: 111"]
Officieel volgens de grondwet kan iedereen natuurlijk de religie hebben die ze kiezen. Het is dus mogelijk om dit (op de KTP) te wijzigen. En om conflicten te voorkomen, hoeven mensen om je heen het niet echt te weten.

Maar religies zoals het christendom (protestant of katholiek) zullen niet alleen met je trouwen, er zal een intakegesprek zijn enz. Nu zijn boeddhisme / hindoeïsme / confucianisme gemakkelijker, maar zelfs dan zijn er procedures.

Om problemen te voorkomen, kan trouwen in het buitenland een betere optie zijn. Dus misschien om voor de hand liggende redenen in Nederland, of dichterbij in Singapore, Bangkok of zelfs Australië. Dan is de religie niet relevant en kunt u het huwelijk registreren bij de Catatan Sipil in Indonesië.

{Om problemen te vermijden, is een huwelijk in het buitenland waarschijnlijke. Misschien het beste in Nederland, maar dichterbij in Singapore, Bangkok of Australië kan ook. Dan heeft de gekozen godsdienst geen belang en jullie kunnen het huwelijk in Indonesië inschrijven bij de Burgerlijke Stand.}
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So it is possible to go to Bangkok with the Indonesian woman I want to marrie.
I am Dutch and she is Indonesian.
You know where i can find the info for how to do this and what documents you need ??
 

jstar

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Sure, on this forum.


A poster @Bad_azz wrote down all the steps etc.
 

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Is it difficult to change religion from Islam to another faith?
What are the possible troubles we can get ?
It's easy enough (especially if your fiance lives in Jakarta). All you need is proof that she has converted to another religion and then take the said document to change all her paperwork (KTP, family card etc).

My wife did it back in 2017 and the paperwork part with the government offices was the easiest. The time consuming part was dealing with the church to sort out the baptism. Although we found out later that there are some churches around that will do it almost no questions asked (just book an appointment).
 

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You should also check the procedures in Thailand, I think they have changed somewhat over the last few years.
 

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