UK Election 4 July 2024

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So a UK election has been called for 4th of July. Looks like a slam dunk for Labour. Personally I'm not a fan of either Sunak or Starmer but i was just thinking that (in my perhaps biased opinion) both candidates are light years ahead of the US equivalents. A debate between the two will be interesting to watch.
 
Back in the EU? Less support for Ukraine?
The Eu will have to watch out, soon they will be speaking Russian and bowing down to putin ,they have hardly helped Ukraine ,always late ,anyway let them enjoy there new fate
 
The Eu will have to watch out, soon they will be speaking Russian and bowing down to putin ,they have hardly helped Ukraine ,always late ,anyway let them enjoy there new fate
What a load of bollocks.

The EU is a lackey of the US, mainly through NATO.

As usual when the US goes to war, in.order to make it look like a fight for democracy, freedom, fight against communism, they try to drag some "allies" in it.
So they can speak about a "coalition of the international community"...
And this time the EU blindly followed...and applied sanctions that backfired on their own population.
The UK is since years the "operator" doing the dirty job for the US. Hence Johnson's trip to Kiev in 2022 to kill off the peace negociations.

And no way the UK will be allowed back in the EU.
Next thing to do is to kick out the 20 countries that have nothing to do in the EU and go back to the original six.

Ok, now waiting for the next UK P.M. ....
 
What a load of bollocks.

The EU is a lackey of the US, mainly through NATO.

As usual when the US goes to war, in.order to make it look like a fight for democracy, freedom, fight against communism, they try to drag some "allies" in it.
So they can speak about a "coalition of the international community"...
And this time the EU blindly followed...and applied sanctions that backfired on their own population.
The UK is since years the "operator" doing the dirty job for the US. Hence Johnson's trip to Kiev in 2022 to kill off the peace negociations.

And no way the UK will be allowed back in the EU.
Next thing to do is to kick out the 20 countries that have nothing to do in the EU and go back to the original six.

Ok, now waiting for the next UK P.M. ....
Nasdarovia Tavarish

better learn before the jackboots arrive in Paris ha ha L

lets not forget history when the nazis walked up the champs elysees
 
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Nasdarovia Tavarish

better learn before the jackboots arrive in Paris ha ha L

lets not forget history when the nazis walked up the champs elysees
That level of answer.... You watching FOX News too much....

But shows the Western government media brainwashing machine is working as planned !
I guess you are 100% willing to die for Ukraine or have your kids go fight there to defend our great "civilized" values ?
 
That level of answer.... You watching FOX News too much....

But shows the Western government media brainwashing machine is working as planned !
I guess you are 100% willing to die for Ukraine or have your kids go fight there to defend our great "civilized" values ?
Rather than speak russian ya , kissing a dictators ass is not my cup of tea .
 
Btw Atlantis ass is very kissable. He has a tattoo of a gecko head peeping out
 
What a load of bollocks.

The EU is a lackey of the US, mainly through NATO.

As usual when the US goes to war, in.order to make it look like a fight for democracy, freedom, fight against communism, they try to drag some "allies" in it.
So they can speak about a "coalition of the international community"...
And this time the EU blindly followed...and applied sanctions that backfired on their own population.
The UK is since years the "operator" doing the dirty job for the US. Hence Johnson's trip to Kiev in 2022 to kill off the peace negociations.

And no way the UK will be allowed back in the EU.
Next thing to do is to kick out the 20 countries that have nothing to do in the EU and go back to the original six.

Ok, now waiting for the next UK P.M. ....
It would seem you feel every democratic developed nation is a lackey to the US. In that case, the US must be a great nation to have that much influence.
 
Speaking of Russia and Ukraine, why hasn't their respected ambassadors sitting in Jakarta done anything to collect the legible males sitting in Bali and send them back to defend their homelands?
 
It would seem you feel every democratic developed nation is a lackey to the US. In that case, the US must be a great nation to have that much influence.
Conspiracies yes or no, back and forth but who ever denied that the USA has a lot of influence? A great nation, depends on how you see it, but definitely with influence. If you don't have influence you can't have military bases in that many countries. Don't see any foreign military bases on US soil. But yeah all of them countries only want the USA to help them

It's also cool to see that everything is seen as a conspiracy here and everyone wears a tin foil hat, but people who say all of Europe will speak Russian soon is not being brainwashed? Ok.....


Also people got to decide what it is now: Putin's army is strong? Putin's army is trash and knows nothing? But at the same time Putin will conquer all of Europe with an army that can't even defeat small Ukraine?
Ukraine is strong? Ukraine is strong because the entire West helps them? The west is barely helping and if, then too slow? But Ukraine is still strong then?

What is it then?
 
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Rather than speak russian ya , kissing a dictators ass is not my cup of tea .
Obviously tolerance of other people's view is not your strong point !

BTW, ever been or worked in Russia ? I have... would I live or marry there ? No way, but neither would I in Ukraine !
 
It would seem you feel every democratic developed nation is a lackey to the US. In that case, the US must be a great nation to have that much influence.
Nope, but they have the dollar and an illegal extraterritorial juridiction....

It's sure not a place I would live.
 
It is no surprise to those who have been following the situation that Russia has invaded Ukraine. Putin has indicated several times over a longer period that Russia does not want NATO on its doorstep.
As Balifrog pointed out, Macron and Merkel were against NATO's expansion into Ukraine in 2008. They knew that by an expansion they were endangering the stability of the region and that it would deteriorate the West's relationship with Putin.
8 years ago, after Russia took over Crimea, Prof. John Mearsheimer already gave a speech in which he said that 'Ukraine will get wrecked' if it continues on this course and continues to seek rapprochement with the EU and NATO. Look what's happening now.
It is of course nonsense that Europeans will be speaking Russian any time soon. Both sides will do everything they can to prevent a nuclear war. Ukraine is not worth it.
 
Trump withheld military aid for Ukraine in his quid pro quo scandal which is how and why Putin was able to invade

So Trump is to blame for all this

It was all fine until suddenly Ukraine had no money to fund its defence
 
And no way the UK will be allowed back in the EU.
Next thing to do is to kick out the 20 countries that have nothing to do in the EU and go back to the original six.
Is this unresearched personal opinion or fact ??
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/04/19/brexit-eu-uk-freedom-of-movement-labour/ Also there is nothing in the treaty preventing a country to apply for rejoining.

But the UK is not Western Balkans or association trio countries (Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine) queuing to join the EU. These countries are likely to become the net receivers in any aspect and subsequently a burden rather than contributors to the EU. Just look up how many times EU leaders have invited the UK to rejoin the EU. Additionally:
  • When the UK was in the EU, it was either the second or third largest NET financial contributor. Even Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte along with other EU country leaders have repeatedly remarked that it is foolish to let the UK leave considering its financial contributions.
  • The UK was a leading contributor to EU intelligence, security, and defense. If NATO were to dissolve, and/or if both the UK and the US pull out from NATO, the EU's is finished.
  • The UK had a trade deficit of £80 billion with the EU.
  • The UK provided income for 3.5 million EU citizens (compared to only 1 million UK citizens in the EU, most of whom are retirees seeking a sunny place rather than employment). So they spend their money, contributing to local economy instead of taking up employment from local people.
  • The UK waters supported EU fishermen, the source of Income to the EU fishermen for many decades without demanding compensation.
  • No EU political leader has ever stated that the UK cannot rejoin the EU. Just the opposite prevail.
However, to achieve that, another referendum will be necessary, leaving the decision to the British people. Even Labour, the main advocate for rejoining the EU, is reluctant to take the risk after their significant defeat in the last general election. Only the Liberal Democrats are pushing the issue, but LibDem has very little to lose since their popularity has already decreased.

Additionally, in terms of self-determination, the UK is considerably more democratic than any other EU country. For instance, Macron has stated that he would never permit an EU referendum for self-determination, fearing that the French might actually vote to leave the EU. We’ll see what happens if Marine Le Pen wins and allows the people to vote in a referendum. Despite hardline Remainers (the people call them "remoaners") questioning the legitimacy of the Brexit referendum and wanted to dismiss this democratic referendum result urging the MPs to reverse Brexit, subsequent votes in Parliament favoured a landslide majority of triggering Article 50, in favour of to leave the EU and legitimizing the Brexit referendum result. The final vote was 494 MPs in favour (about 76%) and 122 against (about 19%), the others are abstain.

Scotland has been given the chance for self determination referendum in 2014. Similar to Gibraltar. Compare it to other country in the EU such as Spain. Just look at what happen in the Catalan Provence of Spain they even have been dispersed by force for casting a vote in the referendum for self-determination
 
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Obviously tolerance of other people's view is not your strong point !

BTW, ever been or worked in Russia ? I have... would I live or marry there ? No way, but neither would I in Ukraine !
As I said b4 I have had the displeasure of working in russia on a few occasions ,also run across the mafia on occasion , never went back ,dangerous miserable place .
I have no respect for dictators killing women and children and the old , some people thinks its ok ,whatever floats your boat ,
Fox news is only for herr trumpv supporters ,joke channel
 
In the news:

Michael Gove, Minister of Housing in Prime Minister Rishi Sunak's administration, is not taking part in the UK election on 4 July. With Gove, the Conservative Party again loses a familiar face in the run-up to the elections.

Gove is already the 77th conservative MP to announce that he will not participate in the election. Former Prime Minister Theresa May also said she would not be available for re-elect, as did former Defense Minister Ben Wallace. Never before have so many party members decided not to be available for reelection.

Minister Gove did express his support for Sunak, who, according to him, embodies 'patriotism, hard work, selfless service and purposefulness'.
 

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