Traveling by plane within a month of recovering from covid

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Quick bit: My daughter caught covid-19 late last month and recovered earlier this month. We have plans to travel on 30 August to visit family in the USA. My fear is that during that 72 hour period prior to departure, her test will come back positive since it will have to be the PCR test and it's more sensitive (if im not mistaken).

The question:
Is there any sort of documentation I should get that says she's recovered (letter of recovery?) from covid-19 and is no longer contagious or am I simply going to be stuck until she tests negative?

Longer story (optional to read):
In my household there's 7 people. We're all basically family...I'll spare you the awkward names like my wife's sister-in-law's older sister plus her daughter.... Anyways...someone caught covid-19 in my home. It was odd because she hadn't gone out ever since we started hearing about the delta variant.

Well, the one who caught it was feeling flu symptoms and isolated in her room with her daughter. The reason she isolated with her daughter was because they sleep in the same bed and was highly likely they both have the same thing. We had someone come and test her, result was positive for covid-19. We then tested everyone in the house except for her daughter since we didn't want to be in the same vehicle with her since she was 99% certain to have it. Puskesmas then tells us we are all negative except for my daughter who sleeps in the same bed as me and my wife.

Ugh.

We eventually tested the only one left who hadn't been tested yet, the rapid antigen test came back negative. But we had them do the PCR test as well and she came back positive for that.

My fear now is that my daughter's results might come up as positive even though she's recovered. I guess it would suck if I all of a sudden tested positive as well. I wonder how many people have been in this situation.

If I cant go, i'll change my travel date to visit in December so it's not a total loss at least.
 

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What's the travel rules for entry to USA from Indonesia? Aren't we black listed?
 

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Will you need US visas? I applied for one back in June and the next available interview is in October.
 

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Oh that's an important part I left out. I am American and so is my daughter. No visa issues. I'm on KITAP so re-entry to Indonesia is basically no problem. My daughter holds dual citizenship from Indonesia and USA.
 

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Just my opinion but it would probably be better to change the date to December unless there is some reason that you must travel now.
 

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I was under the impression that you cannot board a flight without first having a test showing Covid negative. And I am not sure that recovery means a person may still not be a carrier. At the US end are there quarantine requirements upon arrival? Why would these matters still not be relevant even if the trip is put off until December?
 

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I’d go for your planned trip. If you have a problem, then reschedule. If you can get the non-sensitive test for your daughter, I’d do that.
 

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I was under the impression that you cannot board a flight without first having a test showing Covid negative. And I am not sure that recovery means a person may still not be a carrier. At the US end are there quarantine requirements upon arrival? Why would these matters still not be relevant even if the trip is put off until December?
According to the CDC quarantine upon arrival is not mandatory, but they list specific countries' travelers who will not be granted entry into the U.S.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/from-other-countries.html

Surely they didn't update the list. Indonesia is not on there.
 

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Published 11.08.2021
1. Passengers who have transited or have been in Austria, Belgium, Brazil, China (People's Rep.), Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, India, Iran, Ireland (Rep.), Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, San Marino, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom (excluding overseas territories outside of Europe) or Vatican City (Holy See), in the past 14 days are not allowed to enter and transit.
-This does not apply to:
  • nationals and permanent residents of the USA;
  • spouses of nationals and of permanent residents of the USA. They must have a marriage certificate;
  • parents/legal guardians of an unmarried and younger than 21 years national or permanent resident of the USA;
  • the unmarried and younger than 21 years brother or sister of a national or permanent resident of the USA, who is unmarried and younger than 21 years;
  • the child/foster child/ward of a national or permanent resident of the USA;
  • passengers with the following visas: A-1, A-2, C-1, C-2, C-3, CR-1, CR-2, D, E-1 (as an employee of TECRO or TECO or the employee's immediate family members), G-1, G-2, G-3, G-4, IR-1, IR-4, IH-4, IV, K-1, K-2, K-3, K-4, NATO-1 through NATO-4, or NATO-6 visa;
  • airline crew, if traveling to join an aircraft in the USA; or
  • with one of the following visas: C-1/D,B1, H1, L visa if traveling to join an aircraft in the USA;
  • merchant seamen, if traveling to join a ship in the USA; or
  • with one of the following visas: C-1/D,B1, H1, L visa if traveling to join a ship in the USA; or
  • engaged in lightering, Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) activity, wind farm activity, private air/sea crew or other similar crew member activities;
  • passengers with a DV visa issued between 1 October 2019 and 30 September 2020;
  • members of the U.S. Armed Forces, spouses, and children of members of the U.S. Armed Forces;
  • passengers with evidence of traveling at the invitation of the USA government for a purpose related to the containment/mitigation of the Coronavirus (COVID-19);
  • passengers with documents issued by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, or U.S. Department of State indicating that the passenger is exempt from the restriction;
  • students arriving from Austria, Belgium, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland (Rep.), Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden or Switzerland, United Kingdom;
  • students with a F-1 or M-1 visa if participating in an academic program that started on 1 August 2021 or later.
2. Passengers entering or transiting through the USA must have a negative COVID-19 test taken at most 3 days before departure from the first embarkation point. Tests accepted are: antigen, NAAT, RT-LAMP, RT-PCR or TMA. Passengers details (e.g., name and date of birth) in the certificate must match those stated in the passport or other travel document; and the test result must specify "negative" or "not detected". If marked "invalid" it is not accepted.
This does not apply to:
  • passengers younger than 2 years;
  • US military personnel;
  • passengers with a medical certificate with a positive COVID-19 test result. The test must be taken at most three months before departure from the first embarkation point; and
  • a letter issued by a health authority stating that the passenger has been cleared for travel. The test result must specify "positive" or "detected", if marked "invalid" it is not accepted.
3. Passengers must complete a disclosure and attestation form before departure. The form can be obtained at https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/attachment-a-global-passenger-disclosure-attestation-2021-p.pdf or https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/Fillable-Attestation-English-p.pdf
4. Passengers are subject to COVID-19 measures set by the state/territory of their final destination. More information can be found at www.cdc.gov/publichealthgateway/healthdirectories/healthdepartments.html
5. DV visas issued in September 2020 that expired are accepted for entry.
6. Nationals of the U.S.A. are allowed to enter with an expired passport.
-This does not apply to emergency passports which must be valid on arrival.
 
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Published 19.08.2021
1. Passengers are not allowed to enter.
  • This does not apply to:
  • nationals of Indonesia;
  • passengers with a Temporary Stay Permit (ITAS) or Permanent Stay Permit (ITAP). They must not have been in India in the past 14 days;
  • passengers with a diplomatic or service visa. They must not have been in India in the past 14 days;
  • passengers with a diplomatic or service stay permit. They must not have been in India in the past 14 days.
2. Passengers are not allowed to transit.
3. Passengers must have a printed negative COVID-19 PCR or RT-PCR test taken at most 72 hours before departure from the first embarkation point. The test result must be in English.
4. Airline crew must have a printed negative COVID-19 PCR or RT-PCR test taken at most 7 days before departure from the first embarkation point. The test result must be in English.
5. Passengers and airline crew must have a printed COVID-19 vaccination certificate showing that they were fully vaccinated. The certificate must be issued in both English and a local language of the country where the passenger was vaccinated.
  • This does not apply to:
  • nationals of Indonesia;
  • passengers younger than 12 years;
  • passengers between 12 and 17 years who are subject to a COVID-19 vaccination at their own expense at the end of quarantine;
  • passengers with a diplomatic or service visa and an invitation letter issued by an Indonesian Ministry;
  • airline crew transiting without disembarking the aircraft.
6. Passengers are subject to COVID-19 PCR test upon arrival and quarantine for 8 days.
7. A completed "electronic health awareness card (e-HAC)" must be presented upon arrival. The card can be obtained before departure at https://inahac.kemkes.go.id/ or through the "Pedulilindungi" mobile app.
8. Airline crew with a crew ID card are visa exempt if they are listed in the General Declaration and wearing uniform.
9. Deadhead crew will be given an entry stamp. They must:
  • have a valid crew ID card or crew member certificate;
  • provide written notification to Immigration Officer proving they will be on duty on the return flight. The notification must be received by Immigration Officer minimum 24 hours from arrival.
10. Suspension of all visa exemptions and visa on arrival facilities.
 
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What's the travel rules for entry to USA from Indonesia? Aren't we black listed?

No I dont think Indonesia is on the USA blacklist countries.
Your second quote above seems to be entry into Indonesia not USA (It would help if you mentioned at the top).
 

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No I dont think Indonesia is on the USA blacklist countries.
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With the out of control pandemic here it seems very strange that Indonesia would not be on a black list. Perhaps the list was compiled by the person who advised Biden that there could be an orderly withdrawal from Afghanistan.
 

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With the out of control pandemic here it seems very strange that Indonesia would not be on a black list. Perhaps the list was compiled by the person who advised Biden that there could be an orderly withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Honestly i think countries are making these lists more political than anything else.
 

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With the out of control pandemic here it seems very strange that Indonesia would not be on a black list. Perhaps the list was compiled by the person who advised Biden that there could be an orderly withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Maybe Biden was shown receipts from stores like Hermes and LV and decided Indos are good for the economy.
 

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I've never been to those shops, but I do sp end a couple mil a month just on food. You might call me a high roller. 🤑
A wise person once told me to never feel guilty spending money on food. I tend to agree, but it’s hard to justify 250 thou for cream cheese.

I bought it, but it was hard to justify.
 

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A wise person once told me to never feel guilty spending money on food. I tend to agree, but it’s hard to justify 250 thou for cream cheese.

I bought it, but it was hard to justify.
Cheese cake is worth any price (except the one the bakery charges)! I'm suddenly feeling happy about my coming birthday.
 

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Ok so from what I've gathered from CDC and other sources of info...

1. I can travel to USA no problem if I get a negative pcr test. My child has a letter of recovery and her positive covid-19 results. Her papers are good for 3 months from what I've read. She's happy that she doesn't need a nasal swab.

2. Returning from USA to Indonesia seems to be questionable due to no mention of a letter of recovery by the Indonesian government. It seems all the wording is focused on negative results only, nothing about letter of recovery for those who have recovered.

Does anyone know if Indonesia allows for a letter of recovery instead of negative pcr test?
I'm struggling to find any information on this one. Would kind of suck to be stuck in a quarantine hotel if my daughter tests positive even though she's already recovered....but then again...there's a possibility that she'd be transferred to a heath facility and then discharged, right? ahaha...wishful thinking...
 

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