This is how the Indonesian people and government have treated Rohingya refugees

In France the problems is with the 3rd generation immigrants from our ex North / Central African colonies.
The 1st generation came to work (or to flee like after the Algeria independance war), they settled in pretty well.
Their kids, the 2nd generation for most of them integrated well, went to the school "de la République" and most found a job.
The 3rd generation arrived at the wrong time, unemployment, failure to integrate in France, but being foreigner in their grandparents country, being ostrazied for employment and in daily life, many ended up hating "La République".
A perfect breeding ground for the Islamist recruiters, financed by some MEA countries. Or for drug importers looking for foot soldiers.
France's successive governments being completely blind and at lost how to react except by harsh police repression.
Oh, and you can't kick them out as they are French, and not even bi-national anymore. They need a visa to visit their grandparents country !
Even if they kill somebody you can't take away their nationality, as they have only one, and the rules don't allow to make somebody stateless.
Not trying to nitpick, but if the second generation was fairly well integrated how was it their children failed to integrate?
 
In the meantime, you can watch them play football. Quite a few North African expats are good players.
Well yes, but that's a completely different sport from golf, tennis and ping pong which were the ones mentioned.
Football, athletics, basketball are well known as being popular with immigrants.
 
Trembling from your ultracrepidarianism.
Confirmed they're in a bunch. That must be miserable.
Of what do I speak with no knowledge? And why do you hurl slander and then dodge the question when you're called on it?
 
Well yes, but that's a completely different sport from golf, tennis and ping pong which were the ones mentioned.
Football, athletics, basketball are well known as being popular with immigrants.
There is an Indonesia girl, Megawati who plays volleyball in S Korea. Just named MVP. Only hijab I see her play with or against.
 
In France the problems is with the 3rd generation immigrants from our ex North / Central African colonies.
The 1st generation came to work (or to flee like after the Algeria independance war), they settled in pretty well.
Their kids, the 2nd generation for most of them integrated well, went to the school "de la République" and most found a job.
The 3rd generation arrived at the wrong time, unemployment, failure to integrate in France, but being foreigner in their grandparents country, being ostrazied for employment and in daily life, many ended up hating "La République".
A perfect breeding ground for the Islamist recruiters, financed by some MEA countries. Or for drug importers looking for foot soldiers.
France's successive governments being completely blind and at lost how to react except by harsh police repression.
Oh, and you can't kick them out as they are French, and not even bi-national anymore. They need a visa to visit their grandparents country !
Even if they kill somebody you can't take away their nationality, as they have only one, and the rules don't allow to make somebody stateless.
Regarding 1st, 2nd, 3rd, I assume you are referring to individuals whose grandparents migrated to France many years ago.

If that's the case, you haven't accounted for those who journeyed by sea and reached the distant Greek islands like Lesbos/Lesvos, Samos, Chios, Kos, and Leros.
In the context of Italy, they disembarked on the island of Lampedusa.

However, they might find it economically unfavourable due to the scarcity of economic opportunities and social support, prompting them to venture even farther such as to Scandinavian countries, Germany, Holland, France. This process could take years. Not even in France a safe and relatively good benefit systems are they economically satisfied until they can make their way to the UK using small boats from Calais to Dover or hiding on the back of the lorry. The EU regulations dictate that genuine refugees should seek asylum in the first safe country they reach, raising questions about the motives of those who choose not to do so.

The current surge in far-right movements is unsurprising, given that it is their money from the taxation that have been utilized to support these systems. In the UK, for instance, a total of £8 million per DAY is expended solely for accommodation of these individuals in three-star hotels. Ironically, the people who are paying tax, need to live in the tent as she can not effort to pay the rent in London, like this:

Other unaccounted benefits include free healthcare and education, weekly allowance without contributing to the system.
 
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Confirmed they're in a bunch. That must be miserable.
Of what do I speak with no knowledge? And why do you hurl slander and then dodge the question when you're called on it?
And the question was?
 
I just don't see the correlation. Usually when someone screams racism or antisemitism instead of adressing the subject at hand, it makes me question their motives though.
I wouldn't employ the term "scream." However, isn't it accurate as well when reversed, the other way around?
 
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Ah, I'm generating engagement! I must be sosmed-ing right :rolleyes:

Nuthin rong with being an immigrant, fellas. I was an economic migrant (saw a job advertised here and applied for it, so I'm not an expat it we're picking nits), now I'm just yer common or garden immigrant with permanent residency. Not a citizen, though would jump on it if Indonesia offered dual citizenship (I don't work here any more and I need to get work visas in other countries that the Indonesian passport alone wouldn't qualify for).

Is my life as an immigrant here an upgrade over the one I might have had if I'd stayed in my home country? Unanswerable, except to say that the woman I love and I have made our life here, so it's home. Bet there are many in similar situations in whatever country you happen to look at.
 
Regarding 1st, 2nd, 3rd, I assume you are referring to individuals whose grandparents migrated to France many years ago.

If that's the case, you haven't accounted for those who journeyed by sea and reached the distant Greek islands like Lesbos/Lesvos, Samos, Chios, Kos, and Leros.
In the context of Italy, they disembarked on the island of Lampedusa
1st generation : the original migrants
2nd generation : their kids
3rd generation : kids of the 2nd generation
The 3rd generation are the problematic ones.

The recent migrants you mention cause in fact the less problems.

In fact, due the the low birthrate in countries like France and Germany both countries will each need 100 to 200k immigrants to keep the future economy going.
Remember that the 1st generation I mentionned arrived in the 50's and 60's as both countries had lost a dramatic amount of males 20 / 50 who were now missing to rebuild the country.
As I said those migrants came from our colonies or ex colonies, but also from Italy and Portugal as salaries in France were much better, and a job guaranteed.
Germany had a lot of Turkish migrants (if you think your Merc, Audi, or BMW was assembled by Germans, think again...)

U.K. is still the magnet because of the language and the multiple freebies offered by the government.
 
Rereading it leads to the same question.
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The 3rd generation arrived at the wrong time, unemployment, failure to integrate in France, but being foreigner in their grandparents country, being ostrazied for employment and in daily life, many ended up hating "La République".
A perfect breeding ground for the Islamist recruiters, financed by some MEA countries. Or for drug importers looking for foot soldiers.
France's successive governments being completely blind and at lost how to react except by harsh police repression.
Oh, and you can't kick them out as they are French, and not even bi-national anymore. They need a visa to visit their grandparents country !"
 
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The 3rd generation arrived at the wrong time, unemployment, failure to integrate in France, but being foreigner in their grandparents country, being ostrazied for employment and in daily life, many ended up hating "La République".
A perfect breeding ground for the Islamist recruiters, financed by some MEA countries. Or for drug importers looking for foot soldiers.
France's successive governments being completely blind and at lost how to react except by harsh police repression.
Oh, and you can't kick them out as they are French, and not even bi-national anymore. They need a visa to visit their grandparents country !"
Yes, something like this happened (and still is) with immigrants from Marokko (Morocco). First generation came to The Netherlands for labour work (called: gastarbeider) in the sixties and seventies. All males and were expected to return to Marokko. But they didn't. They let their families come over. The second generation already made problems, living in 2 worlds at the same time: the strict traditional rules at home and the modern rules outside. Made them confused and not really integrated in society.
The economic recession of the late 1970s caused high rates of unemployment among second generation Morocco people for many years. Made the second generation a 'lost generation'.
I am talking in general. In The Netherlands of course a majority of the third generation now have a higher education and relatively good jobs. But Morocco people have a negative image because Moroccan young people are over represented in the registered crime statistics
 
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