Second Visa Stamp after re-entering Indonesia on a 2nd home visa

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I obtained a 2nd home visa and entered Indonesia about a month ago. I got my e-ITAS, all good.
Then I left for Singapore for two weeks and returned yesterday.
I expected the original 5 year stamp in my passport would remain and I'd just be admitted, however the (very confused) immigration official asked me some questions, tapped around for a long time and then pasted a new 5 year entry stamp in my passport dated yesterday based I think on the original visa (which he asked for).
The visa company who sorted out my visa tells me this is wrong and he should have looked at my ITAS and admitted me and my original 5 year stamp should stay valid for 5 years. (re-entry permit is also automatic).
I'm not sure WHAT state I'm in now. Are they going to issue a new e-ITAS, have I made a mess being re-admitted on the same visa twice and am now at risk of being cancelled and deported? I will probably end up either going back to the airport or to the kantor immigrasi in Jogja but would like to know what should have happened and what I ought to ask for.
Also, what are you SUPPOSED to do when you re-enter Indonesia after activating a long-term visa with KITAS attached? I assumed the computer system would have told him my immigration status but either it doesn't or he was just baffled.
 
Also let's add to that - was I meant to do anything different when I left Indonesia? I just showed my passport and continued on my way. I do recall the original visa said the e-ITAS would also have a multiple re-entry permit (electronic again) issued automatically so I didn't worry about that either.
 
I obtained a 2nd home visa and entered Indonesia about a month ago. I got my e-ITAS, .. Then I left for Singapore for two weeks and returned .. immigration official .. pasted a new 5 year entry stamp ...
Are they going to issue a new e-ITAS ?
Probably they will not send you another e-ITAS , but if they do send , it should be with the same expiry date (a copy of the first one) .
have I made a mess being re-admitted on the same visa twice and am now at risk of being cancelled and deported?
I think nothing serious/important happened .
I will probably end up either going back to the airport or to the kantor immigrasi in Jogja but would like to know what should have happened and what I ought to ask for.
In my view you don't need to worry , but better confirm that everything is ok .
what are you SUPPOSED to do when you re-enter Indonesia after activating a long-term visa with KITAS attached?
Just show the passport + a paper copy of the e-ITAS .
was I meant to do anything different when I left Indonesia? I just showed my passport and continued on my way. I do recall the original visa said the e-ITAS would also have a multiple re-entry permit (electronic again) issued automatically so I didn't worry about that either.
If you did not present the paper copy of the e-ITAS together with the passport , this was your only fault . Otherwise , you didn't missed anything .

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Be informed that you still need to present a document to your local Immigration Office :
- ... must be accomplished within 90 days after the date of arrival:
a) Deposit funds in an account under the name of the Foreigner at a state-owned bank with a value of US$ 130,000 (one hundred thirty thousand US Dollars), or
b) Purchase of property in Indonesia such as an apartment/flat house with a value of US$1,000,000 (one million US Dollars).

For more information check the details of your Visa E33 - Second Home at https://evisa.imigrasi.go.id/web/visa-selection
 
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I think that sounds like a processing error by the immigration officer. A paper copy of your e-ITAS, and go to the immigration office (Kantor Imigrasi) to make sure. They should confirm you have not lost your original status. On later reentry, always bring your e-ITAS with your passport and make sure you show them to avoid confusion.
 
I took my passport (and Indonesian fiancee) to the kantor immigrasi where she did all the talking. They agreed the second stamp was a mistake by the official and 'borrowed' my passport for a few days to follow up with the airport and fix the mess.

in the meantime I've deposited the correct funds, however without my passport I can't get the bank to write the proof of funds letter, so I'll have to wait for that to come back, visit the bank again and then back to immigration. I will get this done one day.
 
in the meantime I've deposited the correct funds, ...
By the way , can you make an investment with the US$130,000 guaranty or it must be in an account with almost zero interest ?
 
Imagine if you married your Indonesian fiancee you wouldn't need to worry about any of that.
we will as soon as we work out who changes religion and how. The whole no-mixed-marriages thing is challenging, but that's a whole another topic.
 
By the way , can you make an investment with the US$130,000 guaranty or it must be in an account with almost zero interest ?
my understanding is you can do what you like with it as long as the money stays in the bank and if they come to check on you it's still there.
 
we will as soon as we work out who changes religion and how. The whole no-mixed-marriages thing is challenging, but that's a whole another topic.
Yes - I hope you stick to your guns and refuse to change to her religion. It's rare but it can be done!
 
Yes - I hope you stick to your guns and refuse to change to her religion. It's rare but it can be done!
I'm not that bothered honestly. Which leads to its own problem that it's been SO long since I went to a church anywhere I doubt I could even prove my religion (catholic) or find a priest who'd marry us. Changing to her religion is easier although for reasons we'd prefer to be subject to the secular courts here and not the muslim ones. "Becoming catholic" for her would take more than popping into the nearest church and making a donation to the church fund.

I'm not sure what we're going to do. But we need to figure something out.
 
my understanding is you can do what you like with it as long as the money stays in the bank and if they come to check on you it's still there.
This is all crazy! Why get married, change your religion, put a $130,000 in a bank you can't touch. What if your wife's leaves you, keeps all you bought with her, and the bank forecloses and keeps all your money? All you have is a new religion, great, then you'd better hope, your new God will help you.Hah!
 
This is all crazy! Why get married, change your religion, put a $130,000 in a bank you can't touch. What if your wife's leaves you, keeps all you bought with her, and the bank forecloses and keeps all your money? All you have is a new religion, great, then you'd better hope, your new God will help you.Hah!
There are a lot of foreigners who have converted to Islam in order to marry an Indonesian here. Having a wife convert out of Islam is not an easy task. Family will have a lot to say about it. Many of the foreigners that have converted are considered KTP Muslims. Convert and then just ignore the who thing except of course the marriage ceremony keeping families content. I know some of them. After marriage they never seen an inside of a Majeet. They went to an Imam, made a donation, never had to drop their pants, said a few words and Shazam, they are Muslim.
 
There are a lot of foreigners who have converted to Islam in order to marry an Indonesian here. Having a wife convert out of Islam is not an easy task. Family will have a lot to say about it. Many of the foreigners that have converted are considered KTP Muslims. Convert and then just ignore the who thing except of course the marriage ceremony keeping families content. I know some of them. After marriage they never seen an inside of a Majeet. They went to an Imam, made a donation, never had to drop their pants, said a few words and Shazam, they are Muslim.
Yep , 20 minutes at the local Imam office , gave him a fancy new Quaran as a gift . 15 years ago .
 
This is all crazy! Why get married, change your religion, put a $130,000 in a bank you can't touch. What if your wife's leaves you, keeps all you bought with her, and the bank forecloses and keeps all your money? All you have is a new religion, great, then you'd better hope, your new God will help you.Hah!
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This is all crazy! Why get married, change your religion, put a $130,000 in a bank you can't touch. What if your wife's leaves you, keeps all you bought with her, and the bank forecloses and keeps all your money? All you have is a new religion, great, then you'd better hope, your new God will help you.Hah!
well that's one way of looking at it. Let's try another way. The religion is mmaterial, I'm not religious and haven't seen the inside of a church/mosque or temple in 40 years. So if 10 minutes with an imam means we can marry legally in Indonesia, not really a problem.
$130k in a bank account earning interest which I can absolutely touch if I want to, and after we do marry and I get a visa based on that, I can remove it and use it. The 2nd home visa was just an easy way to get ITAS quickly and be able to stay in Indonesia raising our child. And 'foreclose' is what banks do to people who borrow money from them, not give money to them. The IDR could decline further and I guess Mandiri bank could go bust but that's not very likely.
As for the girl in question, that can happen to any marriage at any point with anyone. In this case we've known each other a number of years and have a child together, hence the desire to marry at this point.

To the actual original issue. My passport has wandered around the Jogja kantor immigrasi and various bits of Jogja airport whilst someone tries to work out which stamp is valid and how to fix the error by the immigration official. I rather hope it returns soon. But living in Indonesia has taught me the value of patience.
 
There are a lot of foreigners who have converted to Islam in order to marry an Indonesian here. Having a wife convert out of Islam is not an easy task. Family will have a lot to say about it. Many of the foreigners that have converted are considered KTP Muslims. Convert and then just ignore the who thing except of course the marriage ceremony keeping families content. I know some of them. After marriage they never seen an inside of a Majeet. They went to an Imam, made a donation, never had to drop their pants, said a few words and Shazam, they are Muslim.
Actually she would VERY happily covert and the family is not really bothered. It's more the mechanics of it. I am notionally catholic although I have no actual way to prove it. For her to take my religion would I think at least take 6 months of study, unless of course there are parishes here in need of new hymn books who would appreciate a donation. We'd also have to change our child's religion (not sure how hard that is) and do all the paperwork getting the religion on everyone's KTP and other forms fixed.
The major benefit of doing that would be governance by the secular and not muslim court which would help in some issues. I guess I need to find a Catholic Church, walk into it and tell the priest I'm a very lapsed catholic who would like to marry a muslim girl and ask how much he feels like helping.
 
Just to finish the story. After a week of my passport travelling around jogja I finally got it back today. They had carefully peeled off the second, incorrect entry sticker.
I will now religiously show my ITAS each time I enter and exit and if someone starts printing a new sticker I’ll try to stop them.
 
Actually she would VERY happily covert and the family is not really bothered. It's more the mechanics of it. I am notionally catholic although I have no actual way to prove it. For her to take my religion would I think at least take 6 months of study, unless of course there are parishes here in need of new hymn books who would appreciate a donation. We'd also have to change our child's religion (not sure how hard that is) and do all the paperwork getting the religion on everyone's KTP and other forms fixed.
The major benefit of doing that would be governance by the secular and not muslim court which would help in some issues. I guess I need to find a Catholic Church, walk into it and tell the priest I'm a very lapsed catholic who would like to marry a muslim girl and ask how much he feels like helping.
Have you considered getting married outside of Indonesia? Then come back & just do a big family party.
 
Have you considered getting married outside of Indonesia? Then come back & just do a big family party.
Yes. That would on the face of it be a lot easier. We could marry in Singapore easily and nobody would have to change religion. We'd marry in the civil ROM as the muslim one again is just for muslims.
But that marriage will not be recognized in Indonesia. You used to be able to apply to the court to have such a marriage recognized and recorded but the Supreme Court in 2023 issued a circular (SEMA #2 of 2023) prohibiting judges from granting such applications. Although that is procedural and advisory it is now pretty much impossible to get any court, even in the progressive court districts, to grant such an application.
Since that circular, no mixed marriage has been sanctioned for registration by any court in Indonesia (apart from one which was happening as the circular was issued).
A legal marriage in Indonesia is what we need so marrying abroad and retaining our own religious category is not an option.
 

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