Second Home Visa (E33) - am I missing something?

[Unebano]

I am planning to apply for the second home visa and the instructions / requrements on the evisa.imigrasi seem simple enough to be done on my own.

I've also looked at a couple of service providers like below, and the fees they want is in the range of Rp.40 million to Rp.45 million

• Letsmoveindonesia https://www.letsmoveindonesia.com/the-second-home-visa-kitas/
• Spun https://spun.global/service/134-second-home-itas?currency=IDR

Is second home visa process really has some unexpected pitfalls and risky to try do it on my own? Anybody here successfully done it on their own? My thinking (likely over-thinking) is that if service providers are asking for Rp.40 million then it can’t be that simple, can it? On the evisa website it says total fees is Rp13 million which presumably will be lost if they reject the visa application.

 

[marcus]

I am planning to apply for the second home visa ... on the evisa.imigrasi seem simple enough to be done on my own.

You can apply for it yourself because this Visa does not require a sponsor (some new visas like this one , requires an investment instead of a sponsor) .

I've also looked at ... the fees they want is in the range of Rp.40 million to Rp.45 million ...
Is second home visa process really has some unexpected pitfalls and risky to try do it on my own?

I don't think there are "pitfalls or risk" by requesting it yourself . Though it may not be an easy process (because it is a relatively new software) , I do not expect it to be too difficult .

Any doubt you can ask us and ask Immigration (email and social media contacts) if you are outside Indonesia . If even so you don't succeed, I suggest you to request/come with a Visa-on-Arrival (30 + 30 days) or Tourist Visa (60 up to 180 days) which a lot of people already got online , and when in Indonesia you can get a face-to-face help from Immigration about the Second Home e-ITAS/KITAS process (because probably you will not be required to get the Second Home Visa) .

Anybody here successfully done it on their own? ...

I am not aware of anybody , but Rols got it through a visa agent (see here : https://www.expatindo.org/community...ndonesia-on-a-2nd-home-visa.7810/#post-107209) .

On the evisa website it says total fees is Rp13 million which presumably will be lost if they reject the visa application.

I guess that Immigration will not ask you to pay if your submitted documents do not comply with the requirements .

Anyway , in more than 17 years as Indonesian Forums' member , I don't remember of anybody who didn't get the Indonesian visa and lost its related fee .

 

[Unebano]

Thank you! Very helpful!

I am actually already in Indonesia on a Work Kitas which unfortunately will end in March which is why I am looking at the Second home visa. I am 55 so the retirement visa is not possible right now. I also looked at starting my own company but the paid up capital requirement is too high at 600,000USD

As per your advise I will go to Immigration office in Warung Buncit and clarify with them.

As I understand I need to be outside Indonesia when I apply. The other thing that is not clear is that the evisa website says I can apply together with my spouse (both of us are WNA). But the application for my wife asks to upload the 'visa of spouse' so practically speaking the dependent visa can be applied only after the main person's second home visa is issued.

Also the site asks for 'Curriculum vitae' and 'Travel plans' not sure what they are about - so it would be good to clarify face to face

 

[Unebano]

Oh in your reply you wrote "... face-to-face help from Immigration about the Second Home e-ITAS/KITAS process (because probably you will not be required to get the Second Home Visa)" I didn't understand the second part in brackets

 

[Shadrach]

You sound very confused about what type of visa you want. The suggestion of going to immigration and speaking directly, sounds like a good idea.

 

[rols]

Thank you! Very helpful!

I am actually already in Indonesia on a Work Kitas which unfortunately will end in March which is why I am looking at the Second home visa. I am 55 so the retirement visa is not possible right now. I also looked at starting my own company but the paid up capital requirement is too high at 600,000USD

As per your advise I will go to Immigration office in Warung Buncit and clarify with them.

As I understand I need to be outside Indonesia when I apply. The other thing that is not clear is that the evisa website says I can apply together with my spouse (both of us are WNA). But the application for my wife asks to upload the 'visa of spouse' so practically speaking the dependent visa can be applied only after the main person's second home visa is issued.

Also the site asks for 'Curriculum vitae' and 'Travel plans' not sure what they are about - so it would be good to clarify face to face

You don't need to be outside Indonesia when you apply. But you DO need to leave and return to activate the visa.

Someone mentioned that I got the second home visa .. I did .. I used Flado (Flavo??) visa agency to do it because, even with an Indonesian fiancee who is pretty good at all this, I wanted it done and done properly. That's turned out to be a good plan as there have been various random issues and lots of questions and I get continual help from them. The visa is new and not every immigration official understands it so it's been .. interesting.

My latest amusement is trying to change my address. The visa system in Jakarta says I have not yet submitted my report of funds, of course I have and did it in December last year and have the stamp, so the visa agency is fixing it.

I'm pleased I used them but I agree the fees are .. a lot.

 

[Unebano]

You sound very confused about what type of visa you want. The suggestion of going to immigration and speaking directly, sounds like a good idea.

Actually am not so confused now. I looked at different options - establishing own company, getting a retirement visa, and the second home visa and after weighing all pros, cons, viability (main thing), and affordability ended up deciding on the second home visa. But you are right it is a good idea to go to immigration and speak directly.

 

[marcus]

... I am 55 so the retirement visa is not possible right now ...

This is something that you can ask Immigration . The last Regulation (PerMen no.11 Year 2024) states 55 in 2 Articles , but 60 in 1 Article (see below) . For many years the rule was 55 , then they changed to 60 (for some 2 years) , but now this new contradictory Regulation .

As per your advise I will go to Immigration office in Warung Buncit and clarify with them.

I suggest you to ask us first , so you will have a more effective conversation with Kantor Imigrasi .

As I understand I need to be outside Indonesia when I apply ... (because probably you will not be required to get the Second Home Visa)" I didn't understand the second part in brackets ...

You can apply for an online Visa from anywhere . But as you already have a Work KITAS , you may not need a Visa , because :

• if you are eligible for a Retirement KITAS (1 year) and your Work KITAS is also for 1 year , you may just ask for a sponsor change ;
• for the 5 years Silver Hair KITAS (like a 5 years Retirement KITAS) or for the 5 years Second Home KITAS , you may request a 60 days Bridge Visit Stay Permit and then one of these 2 KITAS , without the need to : get a Visa & do a "visa run" (go out of Indonesia) .

https://www.expatindo.org/community/threads/bridge-stay-permit.7753/ (Bridge Visit Stay Permit)

The other thing that is not clear is that the evisa website says I can apply together with my spouse (both of us are WNA). But the application for my wife asks to upload the 'visa of spouse' so practically speaking the dependent visa can be applied only after the main person's second home visa is issued.

I guess so , but it is not difficult because you have 90 days to use the visa you get .

Also the site asks for 'Curriculum vitae' and 'Travel plans' not sure what they are about - so it would be good to clarify face to face

I guess they are not important , simple statements are enough .

--------------------------------------------------------

PerMen no.11 Year 2024 (free translation)
Pasal 33 / Article 33
(2) Visa tinggal terbatas ... dapat diberikan kepada Orang Asing untuk melakukan kegiatan / Temporary Residence Visas ... may be granted to foreigners to carry out the following activities:
j. rumah kedua, yang terdiri atas / second home, consisting of;
.....
4. lanjut usia berusia 55 (lima puluh) tahun atau lebih / elderly aged 55 years or more; dan / and
5. ...

Pasal 101 / Article 101
(1) Izin Tinggal Terbatas diberikan kepada Orang Asing
yang masuk ke Wilayah Indonesia dengan Visa tinggal terbatas / Temporary Residence Permits are granted to foreigners who enter Indonesia with a Temporary Residence Visa.
(4) Izin Tinggal Terbatas diberikan kepada Orang Asing untuk melakukan kegiatan / Temporary Residence Permits are granted to foreigners to carry out activities:
j. rumah kedua, yang terdiri atas / second home, consisting of:
.....
4. lanjut usia berusia 55 (lima puluh lima) tahun atau lebih / elderly people aged 55 years or more; dan / and
5. ...

Pasal 105 / Article 105
(10) Izin Tinggal Terbatas yang berasal dari Visa tinggal terbatas bagi Orang Asing dalam rangka rumah kedua ... dapat diberikan dengan jangka waktu / Temporary Residence Permits originating from Temporary Residence Visas for foreigners for the purpose of a second home ... may be granted for a period of:
d. Orang Asing lanjut usia berusia 60 (enam puluh) tahun atau lebih dengan jangka waktu paling lama / Elderly foreigners aged 60 years or more for a maximum period of:
1. 1 (satu) tahun / 1 year; atau/or
2. 5 (lima) tahun / 5 years.

 

[Unebano]

Update - I talked to helpdesk at Kantor Immigrasi. They suggested, same as Marcus, that I do not need EPO, instead should do a bridging visa. Secondly they said if doing EPO, Second home visa application can be started only when outside Indonesia.

Unfortunately, bridging visa requires the same guarantor as my current Itas - cannot be done by self. And my guarantor (actually agent/firm that my company uses) refused/pretended that bridging visa won't work and insisted on EPO. He separately suggested he can do a Investor visa for me using a PT PMA - it all sounded a bit sketchy

Anyway, on EPO now and will apply for second home visa after leaving Indonesia this weekend.
PS. In the event second home visa is not successful, anyone know if my bank accounts in Indonesia can still be operated if I come back on tourist visa to close all? There's substantial funds in those accounts

 

[marcus]

... they said if doing EPO, Second home visa application can be started only when outside Indonesia.

It does not make sense to me . I would try requesting the Second Home Visa at evisa.imigrasi.go.id before leaving Indonesia , anyway . If the website blocks request from Indonesia (I doubt) I would use a VPN with a server outside Indonesia .

In the event second home visa is not successful, anyone know if my bank accounts in Indonesia can still be operated if I come back on tourist visa to close all? There's substantial funds in those accounts

From my personal experience with banks : Mandiri , Panin , BRI , Mega , HSBC , BNI , ... , they didn't control my KITAS/KITAP validity (I don't remember they asking me to bring the new one , but it was me who sometimes voluntarily presented the new one to them , some weeks late) . And , of course , I never detected any operation interruption of my accounts .

So even without a KITAS I would not close the bank accounts if I still intend to live in Indonesia .

 

[gemima]

It does not make sense to me . I would try requesting the Second Home Visa at evisa.imigrasi.go.id before leaving Indonesia , anyway . If the website blocks request from Indonesia (I doubt) I would use a VPN with a server outside Indonesia .

From my personal experience with banks : Mandiri , Panin , BRI , Mega , HSBC , BNI , ... , they didn't control my KITAS/KITAP validity (I don't remember they asking me to bring the new one , but it was me that sometimes presented the new one to them , some weeks late) . And , of course , I never detected any operation interruption of my accounts .

So even without a KITAS I would not close the bank accounts .

HSBC ask me for my KITAS each year - they don't do it like clockwork, its my relationship manager who asks and they seem quite flexible with timing. I also have a BCA account and they have literally never asked me for anything since I set up the account 10 years ago.

 

[marcus]

HSBC ask me for my KITAS each year ...

I had an account in HSBC Indonesia for more than 10 years until recently , I don't remember anyone there asking me to do that . Maybe it depends on each manager and / or the amount of money you have there (I never had much in any of my banks) .

 

[marcus]

... Unfortunately, bridging visa requires the same guarantor as my current Itas ... And my guarantor (actually agent/firm that my company uses) refused ...

Just to clarify , your guarantor is the company where you work , not this visa agent (it seems common that companies hire visa agents) . So in situations like yours , the foreigner could hire any other visa agent or even do himself/herself by just getting some guarantor data and letters/statements signed by the guarantor .

 

[marcus]

I just submitted my Indonesian wife's registration at evisa.imigrasi.go.id and remembered of foreigners who don't need a sponsor/guarantor (like you) but decides to hire a visa agent . For security reason , I would register myself at the evisa webisite before hiring a visa agent , because if the visa agent make the registration on your behalf , you will not know of any wrong information presented there and also the visa agent may try to deny you the data for you to access your evisa account .

 

[Unebano]

the visa agent may try to deny you the data for you to access your evisa account

Absolutely right. I have registered my account at evisa.imigrasi, uploaded passport copy, photo etc. already.

My EPO is finally done (agent took his time) and I will apply for Second home visa on my own once I am out of the country in next few days. I plan to apply 24 hrs after exiting immigration here which I hope is enough time to for their database to be updated and show that EPO has been activated.

To be safe, I decided against starting the application in the interim, because obviously if the EPO has not been used I am still "onshore" in their system. I don't think the website blocks applications from within Indonesia as I did a "test run" and am able to go up to the second page of the application

 

[Shadrach]

What is EPO?

 

[Unebano]

EPO = Exit Permit Only. To be done if current limited or long stay visa is ending in order to exit the country with clean break.

 

[marcus]

... I don't think the website blocks applications from within Indonesia as I did a "test run" and am able to go up to the second page of the application

So why you don't finish the application when still in Indonesia ? Or at least go until the last page for training purpose .

I said before that that information you got (must apply only when abroad) does not make sense to me . Be informed that Immigration officers had given wrong information in the past .

The only similar rule I know is that we cannot have 2 Stay Permits (KITAS/KITAP/Visit Stay Permit) at the same time . But what is the problem of having an EPO (which is also a kind of a Stay Permit) + a Visa ?

 

[Unebano]

Update: I applied for the Second Home E33 visa online on 19th March after exiting Indonesia. Applying seemed fairly easy, however till date (11 working days later) the status shows 'Waiting verification'. Wrote to the Imigrasi support email after 8 days elapsed and got back a stock answer saying that this verification takes up to 5 working days and I must wait for the visa decision....