Population control and the future.

[harryopal1]

It seems youth participation in riots, brawls or protest has become increasingly prevalent. Whatever the overt reasons I suspect that there is an underlying anxiety for young people about their future. Given the changing nature of economies with increasing automation and profit opportunities provided by Ai rather than employing people it is difficult to see how gainful and satisfying employment can be created for ever better educated increasing numbers of young people. This is hardly just an Indonesian problem but one to be found in many if most countries.

There is an urgent need to recognize this phenomena and for societies to come up with solutions. There is a need to interfere with the laissez faire acceptance of profit being the sole driver of commerce and a requirement for businesses to incorporate innovative strategies that offers a future for the youth of today and tomorrow.

Ideas and reactions?

 

[Bad_azz]

I had a conversation with chat GPT about this the other week.
it suggested that in 5-10 years almost all work that can be done by AI will be & that humans will work much less & have a universal payment system where everyone gets enough to live on, etc. etc. etc.

The dystopian landscape fast approaches- at least I know how to grow food, cook, clean, sew and all those tasks that are needed for survival when it all goes tits up.

 

[harryopal1]

Every major economic shift, as opposed by the Luddites for example and when new technologies have displaced people, have been concomitant with increasing profits for owners of the new technologies and misery and abject poverty for the unemployed. How does chat GPT factor in human greed and corruption when talking of a universal payment etc?

The notion of the universal payment it is a wonderful ideal but not sure how countries with massive populations and huge numbers already living in poverty would transition. Perhaps achievable with rigid, totally controlled states like Communist China. Most western style democratic countries usually have an elite of about ten percent who control about ninety percent of the national wealth. Is there to be a period of enlightenment when the super privileged will suddenly become saintly, surrender their obscene wealth and live modestly? Perhaps you can ask your GPT what it makes of that conundrum.

 

[Bad_azz]

Every major economic shift, as opposed by the Luddites for example and when new technologies have displaced people, have been concomitant with increasing profits for owners of the new technologies and misery and abject poverty for the unemployed. How does chat GPT factor in human greed and corruption when talking of a universal payment etc?

The notion of the universal payment it is a wonderful ideal but not sure how countries with massive populations and huge numbers already living in poverty would transition. Perhaps achievable with rigid, totally controlled states like Communist China. Most western style democratic countries usually have an elite of about ten percent who control about ninety percent of the national wealth. Is there to be a period of enlightenment when the super privileged will suddenly become saintly, surrender their obscene wealth and live modestly? Perhaps you can ask your GPT what it makes of that conundrum.

I would suggest you have this chat with Chat GPT & ask it from an AI emotion free perspective- that is the sort of thing I do to pass the time now & then.
The conversations are interesting & I did point out to it that it was giving a purely Western world/Developed country perspective and that there are many countries and regions that the model suggested would be a disaster. One suggestion it made was for people to retrain into development work in computing- I told it that it was wrong as AI would take those jobs anyway, eventually.
I like making it have to think a bit.

 

[harryopal1]

It is certainly a funny world. I have been using Gemini on and off. I often feel like swearing at it but then it doesn't have feelings, as it has explained to me. Often I will ask a question and instead of answering it will offer me a list of contacts where I might find the answer. There is a theory that as AI devours more and more content, much of it AI generated, then it will become dumber... a bit like inbreeding.

From Google: "In 1900, German chocolate company Hildebrands produced a series of postcards imagining the wonders of life in the year 2000. The optimistic renderings envisioned people in Victorian fashions enjoying lives of boundless leisure and comfort enabled by a century of technological advancement."

And Quora suggests: "They had a general view that life would be better, the learning would be by putting devices on ones head, and it would just flow into the brain. That we would be living under water, that every one would have their own airplane, robots would help with the housework. I got this from The Public Domain Review, and article is, The 19th Century Vision of the Year 2000. "

I recall a teacher in the 1950s telling us that in the future we would be wearing clothing made out of paper.

 

[Shadrach]

It is certainly a funny world. I have been using Gemini on and off. I often feel like swearing at it but then it doesn't have feelings, as it has explained to me. Often I will ask a question and instead of answering it will offer me a list of contacts where I might find the answer. There is a theory that as AI devours more and more content, much of it AI generated, then it will become dumber... a bit like inbreeding.

From Google: "In 1900, German chocolate company Hildebrands produced a series of postcards imagining the wonders of life in the year 2000. The optimistic renderings envisioned people in Victorian fashions enjoying lives of boundless leisure and comfort enabled by a century of technological advancement."

And Quora suggests: "They had a general view that life would be better, the learning would be by putting devices on ones head, and it would just flow into the brain. That we would be living under water, that every one would have their own airplane, robots would help with the housework. I got this from The Public Domain Review, and article is, The 19th Century Vision of the Year 2000. "

I recall a teacher in the 1950s telling us that in the future we would be wearing clothing made out of paper.

If we're living under water, then why would you need an airplane? Wouldn't a submarine be more appropriate?

 

[Bad_azz]

It is certainly a funny world. I have been using Gemini on and off. I often feel like swearing at it but then it doesn't have feelings, as it has explained to me. Often I will ask a question and instead of answering it will offer me a list of contacts where I might find the answer. There is a theory that as AI devours more and more content, much of it AI generated, then it will become dumber... a bit like inbreeding.

From Google: "In 1900, German chocolate company Hildebrands produced a series of postcards imagining the wonders of life in the year 2000. The optimistic renderings envisioned people in Victorian fashions enjoying lives of boundless leisure and comfort enabled by a century of technological advancement."

And Quora suggests: "They had a general view that life would be better, the learning would be by putting devices on ones head, and it would just flow into the brain. That we would be living under water, that every one would have their own airplane, robots would help with the housework. I got this from The Public Domain Review, and article is, The 19th Century Vision of the Year 2000. "

I recall a teacher in the 1950s telling us that in the future we would be wearing clothing made out of paper.

I assigned female gender to my chat GPT (in my head)... imagine my dismay when it did the male voice , sigh- I also suggested that it have a thumbs up option as well as a thumbs down, although it agreed with me that such a thing would be useful for it learning when it got things right there has been no change as of yet. Sigh, I do enjoy learning from it and teaching it things too.

 

[Balifrog]

Chat GPT.....
Dont forget it's just a fast search engine, picking bits here and there on the net and in databases, and puts it together in a simili human format !
The day I will ask a computer questions about human problems has not yet come ....
Ok, they search and calculate faster than me, and that's it.

 

[Bad_azz]

Chat GPT.....
Dont forget it's just a fast search engine, picking bits here and there on the net and in databases, and puts it together in a simili human format !
The day I will ask a computer questions about human problems has not yet come ....
Ok, they search and calculate faster than me, and that's it.

So but out of the conversation then cos obviously you don't grasp the tone.

 

[harryopal1]

Dont forget it's just a fast search engine, picking bits here and there on the net and in databases, and puts it together in a simili human format !
The day I will ask a computer questions about human problems has not yet come ....
Ok, they search and calculate faster than me, and that's it.

I posted your comment on Gemini AI and wondered if it might conspire to find your computer and cause the battery to explode. Here is its comment on your remarks.

"The Indonesian expat's statement about AI reflects a common misconception that AI is merely a sophisticated search engine. While it's true that AI can access and process vast amounts of data, it's capable of much more than simply regurgitating information. Here's a breakdown of AI's capabilities:

Beyond Search and Retrieval:

• Learning and Adapting: AI can learn from data, identify patterns, and make predictions or decisions. This allows it to improve its performance over time without explicit programming.
• Natural Language Processing (NLP): AI can understand and generate human language, enabling it to communicate and interact with humans in a more natural way.
• Problem-Solving and Reasoning: AI can solve complex problems, reason through different scenarios, and make informed judgments.
• Creativity and Innovation: While not as creative as humans in all aspects, AI can generate new ideas, design innovative products, and even compose music or art.

Addressing Human Problems:

While the Indonesian expat may not be ready to consult AI for human problems yet, AI is already being used in various fields to address complex challenges:

• Healthcare: AI is assisting in medical diagnosis, drug discovery, and personalized treatment plans.
• Education: AI can provide personalized tutoring, adaptive learning, and intelligent content creation.
• Finance: AI is used for fraud detection, risk assessment, and algorithmic trading.
• Customer Service: AI-powered chatbots and virtual assistants can provide efficient and personalized customer support.

The Future of AI:

As AI continues to evolve, it's likely that it will become even more capable of addressing complex human problems. While it's important to be aware of the limitations and potential biases of AI, it's also essential to recognize its potential to improve our lives in countless ways."

 

[Helpful Herbert]

But I have still yet to find a customer chat bot AI or not that can actually solve a problem without telling you to contact a human member of staff.

 

[harryopal1]

But I have still yet to find a customer chat bot AI or not that can actually solve a problem without telling you to contact a human member of staff.

Like most everyone else I have grave reservations about the future of AI so I am not recommending these processes other than for very limited, specific purposes. But nonetheless keep an interested eye on where we are going?

 

[Bad_azz]

But I have still yet to find a customer chat bot AI or not that can actually solve a problem without telling you to contact a human member of staff.

It depends on the problem and how the question is posed to the AI.

The better the way that the question is asked, the better the response- I have found it to be an exceptionally useful tool for making dialogues to use for speaking practice - it is a massive time saver. However, if I just ask it to create dialogue for 2 friends over coffee, I get a whole different chat than if I ask it to create informal dialogue between 2 friends over coffee & humanize it. (as a very simple example).
If I then add into the instruction that one of them works as an artist & one is a teacher, the teacher hates sports and the artist loves travel this then builds up the dialogue into something much more useable/ personalized for what I need it for.

 

[Bad_azz]

Like most everyone else I have grave reservations about the future of AI so I am not recommending these processes other than for very limited, specific purposes. But nonetheless keep an interested eye on where we are going?
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They are very useful TOOLS, and that is how they ought to be used, however I fully believe that the younger generations will just use them as an alternative to using brain cells

 

[harryopal1]

If you were in the business of interrogating people you would have to wonder if AI might be a useful too by feeding it with questions asked and answered to see if it might suggest a different line of questioning. The more we come to rely on AI the more we may see its outcomes as acceptable "proof." It reminds me of that Little Britain sketch where a hapless would be applicant for a loan at a bank and is told by the receptionist, "The computer says "No," "

 

[pantaiema]

I have yet to find an AI trading bot that can surpass Jim Simons' track record in trading. In my opinion, this would be the quickest route to becoming a billionaire.

In the past, several Indonesians claimed to have developed a magical AI trading bots that could significantly outperform Jim Simon's trading record. However, they ultimately turned out to be a Ponzi pyramid schemes. Many Indonesian people who believe this nonsense lost their life savings, hard earned money. The creators of these trading platforms and bots are now serving time in prison.

Keep in mind that Jim Simons achieved this in the 1990s, long before computing power and machine learning had advanced to their current levels. In automated trading, what’s required is just a bot capable of self-learning, not even a robot, which is more complex as it also requires an electromechanical system.

Personally, I do not think AI will surpass human capabilities in certain fields in the coming decades, even after quantum computing becomes commercialized and widely accessible.

 

[jstar]

They are very useful TOOLS, and that is how they ought to be used, however I fully believe that the younger generations will just use them as an alternative to using brain cells

All created using AI…..

 

[HappyMan]

I use it much like BA does, to make roles for students' role plays, make lists of things like "20 practical jokes that it may or may not be appropriate play on a friend" for my students to discuss, to "create sets of instructions for 5 simple tasks but obscure the task by using imprecise or misleading nouns and noun phrases" so my students can then guess the task, and to do other tasks that I could complete myself if I wanted to spend an hour or more on them.
Realistically, most of this work that I have the AI do would just not get done if I couldn't have the AI do it. These activities lend the lessons additional quality I just don't have time to create myself. It is a godsend.

 

[Samoerai]

AI is getting smarter and the kids dumber ...

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/02/health/phones-allowed-school-children-wellness/index.html

 

[HappyMan]

Sometimes I teach at this company where they teach university students to design apps and use/develope AI. It's interesting to think that a significant portion of them are working in a field where their success will eventually mean their obsolescence. The classes are online, and when I ask them to come up with ideas for a product, they have the AI to it. When I ask them to write a startup pitch for their products, they have the AI do it. When it comes time to write the code for that app, they'll have the AI do most of it... There is very little left for them to do except proofing things and asking for iterations. And, the AI is only getting better. I can't help but wonder how long the training they receive will continue to be relevant, how long before you can ask one AI to do the whole job, start to finish? What'll they do then, open a warung to compete with Alfamart?