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And next there's this link that proves we're all just Lab Rat's:
INFORMATION AND COMMUNITY FOR EXPATS IN INDONESIA
new covid new lockdowns?
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MamangDudul
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I most likely will not travel again for this year anyway and if then at least not very far. So far this has nothing to do with fear of restrictions.
When you ask me now I would definitely plan to travel as I doubt we will see any new lockdowns. That is my current opinion, but of course that isn't a guarantee for anything. Iam old enough to know that the craziest and unreal stuff can suddenly happen.
Those who possess internal information leading them to believe that there is a very high probability of a new global lockdown being imposed, why not use it to your advantage and capitalize on it? You could actually start capitalizing on it right now by engaging in "short selling" with significant leverage, expecting the prices to fall. You could potentially turn that to become a millionaire in a few years by just risking $10,000 of your money if your prediction is correct.
Watch the documentary movie "The Big Short." Michael Burry a well-known recent figure to engage in short selling. Other well known figures: Jesse Livermore, Jim Chanos, Bill Ackman, George Soros, etc
Alternatively, if you do not wish to engage in "short selling," you should consider accumulating a pool of cash to invest in the stock market during the early days of the lockdown. The result might be much lower compared to using significant leverage, but it is also less risky.
Watch the documentary movie "The Big Short." Michael Burry a well-known recent figure to engage in short selling. Other well known figures: Jesse Livermore, Jim Chanos, Bill Ackman, George Soros, etc
Alternatively, if you do not wish to engage in "short selling," you should consider accumulating a pool of cash to invest in the stock market during the early days of the lockdown. The result might be much lower compared to using significant leverage, but it is also less risky.
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[tinfoil]Aha! I've caught on to your sinister, secret agenda! You thought you could hide in plain sight, but your words condemn you!
You used the word "prove" and we all know what that means - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proofing_(baking_technique)
Part of that definition is that "The process of making yeast-leavened bread involves a series of alternating work and rest periods. Work periods occur when the dough is manipulated by the baker. Some work periods are called mixing, kneading, and folding, as well as division, shaping, and panning."
Division??? This outsider is trying to divide our great people!
Shaping??? By shaping the narrative!
Manipulated??? What a slip!
I can't believe the mainstream media isn't reporting on this![/tinfoil]
... Sounds a bit silly, doesn't it?
Very soon...
harryopal1
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I daresay most forum members would accept that many leaders in governments habitually distort, lie and misinform as it suits them. But to leap on a definition of "exercise" as some kind of proof that it must be a military exercise is absurd. Then seeing this as part of a worldwide conspiracy borders on paranoia.
Is it because of this news from Bloomberg ?
Biden Wants Congress to Fund New Covid Shots for All Americans
President Joe Biden said the White House would request additional money from Congress to fund the next round of coronavirus vaccine shots.
www.bloomberg.com
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Looks like there are some talks in the US about new restrictions.
us.yahoo.com
Gov. DeSantis and Florida surgeon general warn against new COVID-19 restrictions and vaccine
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Thursday criticized recent efforts across the U.S. to tamp down a recent jump in COVID-19 cases through temporary restrictions or masking and his state surgeon general warned against getting the latest COVID-19 vaccine, which is expected to be available this month...
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Here is what I don't understand. All I have seen from reputable medical institutions and government operations are recommendations, suggestions that people should consider more mask wearing. That is a far cry from anyone placing restrictions in place. No one is saying anyone has to mask.Looks like there are some talks in the US about new restrictions.
Gov. DeSantis and Florida surgeon general warn against new COVID-19 restrictions and vaccine
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Thursday criticized recent efforts across the U.S. to tamp down a recent jump in COVID-19 cases through temporary restrictions or masking and his state surgeon general warned against getting the latest COVID-19 vaccine, which is expected to be available this month...
There has been some hospitals who have put mandatory masking in place within their buildings. Covid numbers are climbing again, people go to medical facilities for evaluation and treatment, medical facility personnel and visitors have the most contact with them, hospitals want to protect their personnel and their visitors. People are free to choose if they want to go into these places or go elsewhere with less mask demands.
As for the FL surgeon general. I think his qualifications have been shown to be worthless by many health organizations and reported in the medias as such.
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News in The Netherlands, 8 September 2023:
The Ministry of Health has announced that the aim is indeed to start a new vaccination round in October. Whether this will actually succeed depends on the deliveries of the vaccines. For example, a new vaccine is being developed that has been adapted to the new XBB variant.
For the new vaccination round, people over 60, adults and children from high-risk medical groups (such as those with a serious immune disorder) and adults from medical risk groups are eligible.
The Ministry of Health has announced that the aim is indeed to start a new vaccination round in October. Whether this will actually succeed depends on the deliveries of the vaccines. For example, a new vaccine is being developed that has been adapted to the new XBB variant.
For the new vaccination round, people over 60, adults and children from high-risk medical groups (such as those with a serious immune disorder) and adults from medical risk groups are eligible.
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IF and notice the capital IF, someone was wearing a well made, properly fitted N95 mask then masking could at least help but with quality of masks that were being used and not fitted properly (along with people touching them with their dirty hands muliple times without proper disinfection) the benefit dropped to being equal with covering your face with a tissue paper or t-shirt. No way a majority of the masks being worn accomplished anything. Why would this time be different?
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Despite her position and you would think precautions Jill Biden just got COVID again despite being fully vaxed, double boosted and previously infected (twice if you count the rebound COVID she had after Paxlovid). I have the same confidence in the vaccines that I have had all along and it's not much. Everyone in my family was vaxxed and boosted and still caught COVID. In my personal experiences, the vaxed and non-vaxed people ened up with about at the the same "level" of being sick.
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Wearing a seatbelt doesn't stop you crashing, it prevents you from going out the window
Being vaxed doesn't mean you can't or won't get covid, but you are much less likely to die
You wear shoes outside on the street but you still step in dog shit
Being vaxed doesn't mean you can't or won't get covid, but you are much less likely to die
You wear shoes outside on the street but you still step in dog shit
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That's not what they started out saying but lets give them them a freebie. The statements from the US were "get this shot and you won't get covid" and then it was "OK you can get it but you can't pass it on" and then we got to the "well you are much less likely to die" stage. Are there studies that prove that you are much less likely to die? By how much? Overall the mortality rate settled to less than 1%. As far as deadly it's very low on the list of deadly viruses.
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It never ends up the same as when it starts concerning medical issues. It's a simple thing as the more one studies something and works with it, the more that is learned. Covid was a fast developer and spread very rapidly. There was no more pandemic group with the US gov to dig into pandemic related problems thanks to a certain individual. The vaccines were rushed due to how rapid covid was spreading. No one knew what they could or could not do. As the studies progressed, the recommendations and treatments did also. They learned that what the vaccines could do and what they couldn't. They learned that with each new strain that they knew nothing about originally, the vaccines could act differently and they did. They are still learning with each new strain. One could have been vaxed against the original covid and not be fully protected from a new strain, or could still be.
You need to take into consideration that vaccines normally take around 15 years to be developed. The covid vaccine was brought out in months basically because the pressure was put in the drug companies to hurry and a lot of money thrown their way. All the testing that would take place normally was done with far fewer test subjects.
It ended up that the vaccines reduced the number of deaths and aided in less serious infections. Once passed the original disease, it couldn't stop someone from getting it.
Things that surely affected covid were the former US administration forcing the CDC to change reports. The inability or refusal to recognize the seriousness of the disease and it's spreading rate and the insistence in treatments that either didn't work or could kill someone in their own. The WHO gets some blame too for allowing china to do and say as they pleased and then using those words as their own. Money.
As for covid being lower on the death rate list. That is now, not when it was spreading when we were all learning about it. Pretty devastating early on.
Mask, ya, some suck. That's an educational problem. The thing is, any covering of the nose and mouth will aid greatly in you not spreading it. The better mask like N95/94 go farther and offer the wearer more protection from getting it. There is never a 100% guarantee. Hand washing is still high on the list simply because people touch things constantly and that includes their faces. Crowds can not be avoided. In the end, you shouldn't care what other people are doing. You have ways to protect yourself and that is the person you should worry about. Yes, it's good to set a good example for others and to educate them when you can. You do not need forced mandates to do that. Me, I wish I seen more people wearing mask. I and my wife still do wear the N94 whenever we leave the house. Our choice. Not just for the protection from covid but from not having a cold or flu or any sinus problems for the past 3 years.
By the way, Jill Biden tested negative 3 days after her positive test.
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I just came back from the gym, after only 10 min I left already: "Ada cewek batuk terus di gym". If there is 1 lesson we learned from the pandamic Covid19, it is "when you are sick, stay home". Well, some, obviously, forget this lesson very cepat" 
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MamangDudul
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One could say u don't inject a seatbelt or shoes into your body.
I mean, the basic idea behind all this is protection and comfort and fashion when we talk about shoes, but there's still a difference.
Anyway, after nearly 3 years of senseless internet discussions and mayhem Iam not really interested in opening all of these subjects again. We can wait for that until the next pandemic...
As for masks, as far as I remember there was a study from the WHO. I think it came out in 2019. Basically some parts of it said that masks have no real use when it comes to influenza like sicknesses, but they are recommended anyways. As far as I understood.
I try to find it.
And yesh of course Covid is not Influenza.
I think it can be found here somewhere. Somewhere around page 25 or so of the report.
Non-pharmaceutical public health measures for mitigating the risk and impact of epidemic and pandemic influenza
Influenza pandemics occur at unpredictable intervals, and cause considerable morbidity and mortality. Influenza virus is readily transmissible from person to person, mainly during close contact, and is challenging to control. In the early stage of influenza epidemics and pandemics, there may be...
Anyway..iam not nearly smart enough for all of this. Just throwing it in the ring.
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MamangDudul
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The problem with this is that since covid people freak out as soon as someone coughs or sneezes. Some of the most common and natural things ever with various of causes.I just came back from the gym, after only 10 min I left already: "Ada cewek batuk terus di gym". If there is 1 lesson we learned from the pandamic Covid19, it is "when you are sick, stay home". Well, some, obviously, forget this lesson very cepat"
As for stay at home, I remember my boss wasn't too happy about me staying at home with coughing, fever was the minimum.
So people have to work sick, why not spend your little free time being a bit sick? Yeah..we probably shouldn't do it, but did the world ever work like that? People usually only stay at home when they really can't get out of bed anymore.
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Very well worded post and I agree with most of what you said at least on some level but I did want to comment on the above portion. Safe proven vaccines have taken years to develop but as you said a lot of corners were cut on this particular group of vaccines and the entire population became test rats in the process. If we weren't even sure of the capibilites of the vaccine, how can we know about the safety or long term issues? Were we gambling with the very first MRNA vaccines to even be tested much less to be used in large numbers? Most of the population world was pushed into a untested vaccine by the government and media. Even to this day they are not fully documenting adverse reactions and there are no published numbers of even how many people had adverse reactions to the vaccines. That to me is a major red flag. How can you assure me that something is safe and useful when you aren't even keeping score? Why aren't there numbers that people can review?
