Mosque loudspeakers

[slowmoguy]

Some might be surprised to know that many nightclubs and FKKs owners and visitors in Germany are Turkish-Germans.

Why would one be surprised to know such a thing even when they can only google it? We have alcohol practically everywhere in Turkey. pubs, nightclubs and all similar stuff like that. And 99% of them are owned and run by Muslim Turkish people also. I've got a huge culture shock the first time I came here. Indonesians are religious. I mean "really religious". Even Christians, Muslims and Hindus and all. Among all Muslim -majority countries Turkey is the least religious one particularly when it comes to practicing it. One more point to pay attention to : I said Muslim Majority country because Turkey is a secular country.

Proportion of people who say they pray 5 times a day

 

[slowmoguy]

But typically, young Turks are more secular, especially those whose parents immigrate to other countries in Europe, mainly Germany / Austria. Keep in mind Turkey allow dual nationalities.

Brother are you aware of what you wrote there in your first message?

I am highlighting it all in bold letters for you. I am NOT discussing the bars in Germany or elsewhere.....

 

[slowmoguy]

Have you visited many night clubs and FKK im Germany, Austria. In Germany around NRW e.g the area around Cologne. Who are the owners and main visitors of these clubs. If you have not seen that yourself, google is your friends. Majority of them are young Turks.

Also how many Turkish Kebab Shop, restaurants, how many turkish people buying Kebab, food from Turkish restaurant, how many of them are wearing Burkhas. This is not to say that there are not many radical muslims in these countries. Hate [preacher can not be jailed unless they cross the border, breaking the law.

The things in bold are hilarious. Sorry but I can't help laughing. So the amount of people who buy kebab from Turkish shops shows the amount of religosity of a particular nation?

let me tell you the fact which you may not even find in google my friend.

Most of those who buy kebabs from Turkish Kebab shops are NOT Turkish but Muslims from all over the world such as Pakistan, Nigeria, Palestine, Saudi Arabia , Algeria , Morroco or etc. and the very reason for that is the fact that those who buy from Turkish shops know that most of Turkey is a Muslim-Majority country and they mostly won't sell non-halal food in a country where pork (and other non-halal food) is naturally allowed to be sold (namely Germany, Belgium and France). I understand them though. If I were a Muslim, I would also seek for a halal-food shop to practice my religion in accordance with what my god asks me to do so.

btw, even the word "kebab" is Arabic, not Turkish.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

There is absolutely no way that 80% of Indonesians pray five times a day. That would be pretty much all muslims. Even 80% of muslims is a big exaggeration. Perhaps 80% of muslims SAY they pray 5 times a day.

 

[slowmoguy]

There is absolutely no way that 80% of Indonesians pray five times a day. That would be pretty much all muslims. Even 80% of muslims is a big exaggeration. Perhaps 80% of muslims SAY they pray 5 times a day.

Yes dear herbert, I also said the same in the message;

"Proportion of people who say they pray 5 times a day"

 

[pantaiema]

I said: Young Turks living in DE are more secular than the turkish people in Turkey.

And you said this: That is the most incorrect piece of information ever uttered about Turkey.

Okay, let's do it in slow motion.

What is the Muslim population in Turkey ? 89-98%. What is the Muslim population in the UK, at 3.3%, and Germany, at 5.4-5.7%?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country
https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/number-of-muslims-in-the-world/

Are all the Muslim population in the UK and Germany from Turkey? No, many of the Muslim populations in Germany, especially since the last decade, come from Afghan refugees. Many of Muslim of Lebanese decedent are living in West Berlin in the area around Neukölln.

Could the number of radical Muslims come from non-Muslims? No, unless atheist secularist opportunistic politicians are using it for political gain. Keep in mind that these people could vote for them at some point when they gain nationalities.

Could the number of radical Muslims in the UK and Germany be higher than in Turkey? Draw your common-sense conclusion from the data above!!!

Keep in mind that we are not talking about the degree of radicalism but simply radical that want to see the shariah law to be implemented. We are not talking about hate preachers in Europe with the calibre of Anjem Choudary, Abu Hamza, Omar Bakri Muhammad, Abu Walaa, Yacub Tadshi, Ebu Tejma, and others in Europe. They are residing in democratic countries, for a reason, so they can be hate preachers without being afraid of getting arrested unless they cross the line. They are using human right as a shield. They and member of their families could keep living on benefits and social security support, paid by the taxpayers so they have a lot of free time to preach.

I am presenting evidence, and use common sense. Being a Turkish does not mean you know a lot about Turks and Moslem s living in Europe.

Some foreigners know even more about Indonesia than native Indonesians. Now keep laughing ...

 

[slowmoguy]

First I found it all (whatever you wrote before) funny, then the more you wrote the more I began to think that all you wrote was hilarious now I am beginning to think that your claims are baseless and purely ridiculous.

I said: Young Turks living in DE are more secular than the turkish people in Turkey.

Where is your evidence in that ??? Are you Turkish ? Have you ever spent some reasonable time with Turkish families well enough to decide on their level of secularity or religosity instead of searching pathetic information on wikipedia and google ? Tell me all you know about Turkish History, tell me;

1. what cities did you visit in Turkey ?
   
   
2. Where exactly did you live there in Turkey ?
   
   
3. How long did you live in Turkey? But more important than all;
   
   
4. What is your criterion in making such a comparison?
   
   Because I will ask you a few specific questions regarding Turkish demography and Turkish culture which you can't even google and find answers to.

Lack of knowledge on a particular topic brings dare to claim to know more than a local. How unfortunate is that? btw, if you want we can continue our chat about Turkish history and demography anytime. even live... I am up for it (as long as I have time for it though)

What is the Muslim population in Turkey ? 89-98%. What is the Muslim population in the UK, at 3.3%, and Germany, at 5.4-5.7%?

1. So the number or the level of radicality is or should be proportionate to the population of that particular religious belief within the borders of that country ?
   
   It's like saying "United States is a more populated country with a lot more skillful people than many others have so they should be the best in soccer in the world" Omg, learn some logic brother for god sake. We are not talking about deterministic positive sciences my expat mate, we are talking about social sciences and humanities...
   
   
2. Please for god's sake, learn the number of ISIS members that joined it from Europe (Say Christian Britain) and compare it with the numbers joined from Turkey and you'll see.
   
   
3. Learn the number of ISIS terrorist attacks between 2014 - 2018 in European countries and Turkey. Btw, one may say " as Turkey is a Muslim-Majority country, they may not plan any attacks on Turkish soils" Well then this is gonna be a huge crap of bulls....it as the leader of ISIS, Imam Abu Bakr Al Husaini El Quraishi Al Baghdadi declared Turkey as an infidel country (let alone apostate) even before the war broke out in Syria and Iraq. (on the basis of the facts that Turkey is NATO and she has a secular constitution my friend )

Are all the Muslim population in the UK and Germany from Turkey? No, many of the Muslim populations in Germany, especially since the last decade, come from Afghan refugees.

Thank you for understanding what I was trying to tell you there. It was you who tried to claim the religosity of Turkish people by counting the burka wearing kebab lovers as Turkish Muslims.

Keep in mind that we are not talking about the degree of radicalism but simply radical that want to see the shariah law to be implemented. We are not talking about hate preachers in Europe with the calibre of Anjem Choudary, Abu Hamza, Omar Bakri Muhammad, Abu Walaa, Yacub Tadshi, Ebu Tejma, and others in Europe. They are residing in democratic countries, for a reason, so they can be hate preachers without being afraid of getting arrested unless they cross the line. They are using human right as a shield. They and member of their families could keep living living on benefits and social security support, so they have a lot of free time to preach.

1. Funny. Merely funny. Watch "My Son The Jihadi" documentary on Channel 4 (and many others) to find your own answers there and see how they stick MI5 and British Police Force to a radical fire-breathing hate speech maker's tail if he exceeds his limits and encourages people to radicalism. (there are even deradicalisation centers in Britain) I also lived in Britain brother Both London and Cambridge (not as a tourist but long enough to understand the demography and culture there instead of googling). Therefore, I can say you are barking at a wrong tree my man...
   
   
2. And you said something there (which I highlighted in bold red above) brother; Even when those individuals commit a crime of course their families will still be able to keep living on benefits. Welcome to the justice system in the modern world man ! Were you born in North Korea under the Kim family dynasty or somethin? Have you heard about - the principle of individual criminal responsibility - in the universal law and penal system ?
   
   Let me put it in layman's terms : "If one commits a crime it bothers none but only him..."

I am presenting evidence, and use common sense.

I quoted these last two sentences separately as they both need schooling on an individual basis.

1. Guessing the estimated number of radicals by making a comparison of the numbers and proportions of people's beliefs is "presenting evidence" ?
   
   
2. Claiming "Young Turks living in DE are more secular than the Turkish people in Turkey." is this "presenting evidence" and talking with "common-sense" ?
   
   (it's opinion brother. You already know the difference between an opinion and a fact)
   
   --Evidence is / should be fact based whereas opinion is what you guess or wish-- as you also know.
   
   

   Being a Turkish does not mean you know a lot about Turks and Moslem s living in Europe.

   
   Well, if you know what you are talking about, if you're well equipped with the proper knowledge on academic basis, and if you experienced that thing with your very own eyes, then --yes-- it means "you know a lot" and I do really know a lot also because I lived in Europe and because those guys are coming back to Turkey every summer for their summer vacations. You can't imagine how uneducated most of them are. You can't even imagine. believe me. Some even admit that they could neither become Turkish nor German due to this identity crisis and culture shock thingy (it's not their fault though). Surely there are some Turkish people in Europe who are very well educated and contemporary at the utmost. ( I call the latter group "the pride of Turkish modernity" )
   
   

   Some foreigners know even more about Indonesia than native Indonesians. Now keep laughing ..

   
   Last but not the least... Here is where it all gets more interesting;
   
   What you claim on this quote is purely whimsical, as the man you're arguing with (me on this occasion) has a masters degree in social science and humanities (World and Turkish History and sociology) not a "google typer".
   
   As a side note, I am a Catholic Christian but I know both sides of the story as I am an ex-Muslim (for 20 or so years I was a Muslim).. (yes a non - practicing and a 100% secular one but I still know Islam very well and respect it and its believers at the utmost)
   
   You are not talking to a hillbilly or a redneck who doesn't have the faintest idea about what he is writing.
   
   I am really tired. believe me. I do want to end this conversation from my side as I have a huge workload at home helping my wife and my newborn baby.
   
   Have a good day my expat friend. I hope I didn't break your heart. I am sorry if I said something offensive. God be with you....

 

[pantaiema]

First I found it all (whatever you wrote before) funny, then the more you wrote the more I began to think that all you wrote was hilarious now I am beginning to think that your claims are baseless and purely ridiculous.

Where is your evidence in that ??? Are you Turkish ? Have you ever spent some reasonable time with Turkish families well enough to decide on their level of secularity or religosity instead of searching pathetic information on wikipedia and google ? Tell me all you know about Turkish History, tell me;

1. what cities did you visit in Turkey ?
   
   
2. Where exactly did you live there in Turkey ?
   
   
3. How long did you live in Turkey? But more important than all;
   
   
4. What is your criterion in making such a comparison?
   
   Because I will ask you a few specific questions regarding Turkish demography and Turkish culture which you can't even google and find answers to.

Lack of knowledge on a particular topic brings dare to claim to know more than a local. How unfortunate is that? btw, if you want we can continue our chat about Turkish history and demography anytime. even live... I am up for it (as long as I have time for it though)

1. So the number or the level of radicality is or should be proportionate to the population of that particular religious belief within the borders of that country ?
   
   It's like saying "United States is a more populated country with a lot more skillful people than many others have so they should be the best in soccer in the world" Omg, learn some logic brother for god sake. We are not talking about deterministic positive sciences my expat mate, we are talking about social sciences and humanities...
   
   
2. Please for god's sake, learn the number of ISIS members that joined it from Europe (Say Christian Britain) and compare it with the numbers joined from Turkey and you'll see.
   
   
3. Learn the number of ISIS terrorist attacks between 2014 - 2018 in European countries and Turkey. Btw, one may say " as Turkey is a Muslim-Majority country, they may not plan any attacks on Turkish soils" Well then this is gonna be a huge crap of bulls....it as the leader of ISIS, Imam Abu Bakr Al Husaini El Quraishi Al Baghdadi declared Turkey as an infidel country (let alone apostate) even before the war broke out in Syria and Iraq. (on the basis of the facts that Turkey is NATO and she has a secular constitution my friend )

Thank you for understanding what I was trying to tell you there. It was you who tried to claim the religosity of Turkish people by counting the burka wearing kebab lovers as Turkish Muslims.

1. Funny. Merely funny. Watch "My Son The Jihadi" documentary on Channel 4 (and many others) to find your own answers there and see how they stick MI5 and British Police Force to a radical fire-breathing hate speech maker's tail if he exceeds his limits and encourages people to radicalism. (there are even deradicalisation centers in Britain) I also lived in Britain brother Both London and Cambridge (not as a tourist but long enough to understand the demography and culture there instead of googling). Therefore, I can say you are barking at a wrong tree my man...
   
   
2. And you said something there (which I highlighted in bold red above) brother; Even when those individuals commit a crime of course their families will still be able to keep living on benefits. Welcome to the justice system in the modern world man ! Were you born in North Korea under the Kim family dynasty or somethin? Have you heard about - the principle of individual criminal responsibility - in the universal law and penal system ?
   
   Let me put it in layman's terms : "If one commits a crime it bothers none but only him..."

I quoted these last two sentences separately as they both need schooling on an individual basis.

1. Guessing the estimated number of radicals by making a comparison of the numbers and proportions of people's beliefs is "presenting evidence" ?
   
   
2. Claiming "Young Turks living in DE are more secular than the Turkish people in Turkey." is this "presenting evidence" and talking with "common-sense" ?
   
   (it's opinion brother. You already know the difference between an opinion and a fact)
   
   --Evidence is / should be fact based whereas opinion is what you guess or wish-- as you also know.
   
   
   
   Well, if you know what you are talking about, if you're well equipped with the proper knowledge on academic basis, and if you experienced that thing with your very own eyes, then --yes-- it means "you know a lot" and I do really know a lot also because I lived in Europe and because those guys are coming back to Turkey every summer for their summer vacations. You can't imagine how uneducated most of them are. You can't even imagine. believe me. Some even admit that they could neither become Turkish nor German due to this identity crisis and culture shock thingy (it's not their fault though). Surely there are some Turkish people in Europe who are very well educated and contemporary at the utmost. ( I call the latter group "the pride of Turkish modernity" )
   
   
   
   Last but not the least... Here is where it all gets more interesting;
   
   What you claim on this quote is purely whimsical, as the man you're arguing with (me on this occasion) has a masters degree in social science and humanities (World and Turkish History and sociology) not a "google typer".
   
   As a side note, I am a Catholic Christian but I know both sides of the story as I am an ex-Muslim (for 20 or so years I was a Muslim).. (yes a non - practicing and a 100% secular one but I still know Islam very well and respect it and its believers at the utmost)
   
   You are not talking to a hillbilly or a redneck who doesn't have the faintest idea about what he is writing.
   
   I am really tired. believe me. I do want to end this conversation from my side as I have a huge workload at home helping my wife and my newborn baby.
   
   Have a good day my expat friend. I hope I didn't break your heart. I am sorry if I said something offensive. God be with you....

I just want to remind who the first one saying this: 'That is the wrongest piece of information ever uttered about Turkey.'"

When there is a statement like this, 'Young Turks living in DE are more secular than the Turkish people in Turkey,' and someone interprets it as evidence, that is probably why he got the wrong end of the stick.

I presented evidence and information straight from the horse's mouth in my previous post, including statistical data. You, on the other hand, have presented nothing apart from personal opinion.

Making such a strong rebuttal by simply saying, 'I lived in Europe,' 'I have a master's degree in social science and humanities, believe me...' is a strange way of arguing a case with random people on the internet. Have you ever seen a professor in social science and humanities ever do that when writing a paper in a journal? I feel sorry for a person needs to compose such a long text trying to convince random people on the internet.

I rest my case; you have your opinion, and I have my own opinion. I do not have appetite and energy to continue this pointless debate with a random person on the internet who keep using their personal opinion, with no reference or link to authoritative resources. God bless you, your wife and your newborn baby.

 

[harryopal1]

Slomoguy "Therefore, I can say you are barking at a wrong tree my man..."

Actually, it is, "...barking up the wrong tree... "

 

[slowmoguy]

Slomoguy "Therefore, I can say you are barking at a wrong tree my man..."

Actually, it is, "...barking up the wrong tree... "

This aint no grammar platform Harry.

 

[harryopal1]

We can all make mistakes with grammar but using colloquial terms incorrectly kind of stands out more. I just thought you might like to know.

Reminds me of an elderly American couple I once interviewed and asked about their success with a very long marriage. The husband said, "I root for her and she roots for me." An American colloquial expression meaning supporting each other. In Australia "rooting" has a very different colloquial meaning.

 

[slowmoguy]

Wow been two days I haven't visited the forum and look what happened.

I feel sorry for a person needs to compose such a long text trying to convince random people on the internet.

Making such a strong rebuttal by simply saying, 'I lived in Europe,' 'I have a master's degree in social science and humanities, believe me...' is a strange way of arguing a case with random people on the internet.

First of all, with all due respect;

Thank you for helping me with what I want to prove to you. Sorry but in order for an academician to share academic papers;

1. One should first be aware of the difference between a fact and an opinion,
   
   
2. One should know that words "from horse's mouth" CAN NOT be presented as "evidence"(hearsay is regarded as opinion until proven, not a fact)
   
   
3. One should know the fact that "The burden of proof lies on the plaintiff"
   
   
4. One should know what Brandolini's Law (aka bullshit asymmetry principle) offers in a scientific discussion.
   
   Brandolinis's law: ( "The amount of energy needed to refute nonsense claims is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it" )
   
   These are the 101 or (abc of a proper scientific discussion) so knowing that you lack these basic principles what kind of an academic reply do you expect? Otherwise, It would all sound gibberish to a person who lacks these very basic principles above. Therefore, journal papers should be shared with people who possess those basics, my friend. Not with random people as you mentioned (and named yourself as) above.
   
   Yes, I shared that rebuttal to put things into layman's terms to make things easy to follow.
   
   I am all done. btw, thank you for the conversation I'll unfollow this entire post.
   
   After all, we are in the same boat. (We're both ex-pats our lives are not easy here and I don't wanna give us both more stress)Therefore, God be with you. from the bottom of my heart.

 

[slowmoguy]

We can all make mistakes with grammar but using colloquial terms incorrectly kind of stands out more. I just thought you might like to know.

Reminds me of an elderly American couple I once interviewed and asked about their success with a very long marriage. The husband said, "I root for her and she roots for me." An American colloquial expression meaning supporting each other. In Australia "rooting" has a very different colloquial meaning.

Thank you my native speaker friend.

 

[slowmoguy]

Reminds me of an elderly American couple I once interviewed and asked about their success with a very long marriage. The husband said, "I root for her and she roots for me." An American colloquial expression meaning supporting each other. In Australia "rooting" has a very different colloquial meaning.

ahahaha that's a good one.

 

[Bob]

First I found it all (whatever you wrote before) funny, then the more you wrote the more I began to think that all you wrote was hilarious now I am beginning to think that your claims are baseless and purely ridiculous.

Where is your evidence in that ??? Are you Turkish ? Have you ever spent some reasonable time with Turkish families well enough to decide on their level of secularity or religosity instead of searching pathetic information on wikipedia and google ? Tell me all you know about Turkish History, tell me;

1. what cities did you visit in Turkey ?
   
   
2. Where exactly did you live there in Turkey ?
   
   
3. How long did you live in Turkey? But more important than all;
   
   
4. What is your criterion in making such a comparison?
   
   Because I will ask you a few specific questions regarding Turkish demography and Turkish culture which you can't even google and find answers to.

Lack of knowledge on a particular topic brings dare to claim to know more than a local. How unfortunate is that? btw, if you want we can continue our chat about Turkish history and demography anytime. even live... I am up for it (as long as I have time for it though)

1. So the number or the level of radicality is or should be proportionate to the population of that particular religious belief within the borders of that country ?
   
   It's like saying "United States is a more populated country with a lot more skillful people than many others have so they should be the best in soccer in the world" Omg, learn some logic brother for god sake. We are not talking about deterministic positive sciences my expat mate, we are talking about social sciences and humanities...
   
   
2. Please for god's sake, learn the number of ISIS members that joined it from Europe (Say Christian Britain) and compare it with the numbers joined from Turkey and you'll see.
   
   
3. Learn the number of ISIS terrorist attacks between 2014 - 2018 in European countries and Turkey. Btw, one may say " as Turkey is a Muslim-Majority country, they may not plan any attacks on Turkish soils" Well then this is gonna be a huge crap of bulls....it as the leader of ISIS, Imam Abu Bakr Al Husaini El Quraishi Al Baghdadi declared Turkey as an infidel country (let alone apostate) even before the war broke out in Syria and Iraq. (on the basis of the facts that Turkey is NATO and she has a secular constitution my friend )

Thank you for understanding what I was trying to tell you there. It was you who tried to claim the religosity of Turkish people by counting the burka wearing kebab lovers as Turkish Muslims.

1. Funny. Merely funny. Watch "My Son The Jihadi" documentary on Channel 4 (and many others) to find your own answers there and see how they stick MI5 and British Police Force to a radical fire-breathing hate speech maker's tail if he exceeds his limits and encourages people to radicalism. (there are even deradicalisation centers in Britain) I also lived in Britain brother Both London and Cambridge (not as a tourist but long enough to understand the demography and culture there instead of googling). Therefore, I can say you are barking at a wrong tree my man...
   
   
2. And you said something there (which I highlighted in bold red above) brother; Even when those individuals commit a crime of course their families will still be able to keep living on benefits. Welcome to the justice system in the modern world man ! Were you born in North Korea under the Kim family dynasty or somethin? Have you heard about - the principle of individual criminal responsibility - in the universal law and penal system ?
   
   Let me put it in layman's terms : "If one commits a crime it bothers none but only him..."

I quoted these last two sentences separately as they both need schooling on an individual basis.

1. Guessing the estimated number of radicals by making a comparison of the numbers and proportions of people's beliefs is "presenting evidence" ?
   
   
2. Claiming "Young Turks living in DE are more secular than the Turkish people in Turkey." is this "presenting evidence" and talking with "common-sense" ?
   
   (it's opinion brother. You already know the difference between an opinion and a fact)
   
   --Evidence is / should be fact based whereas opinion is what you guess or wish-- as you also know.
   
   
   
   Well, if you know what you are talking about, if you're well equipped with the proper knowledge on academic basis, and if you experienced that thing with your very own eyes, then --yes-- it means "you know a lot" and I do really know a lot also because I lived in Europe and because those guys are coming back to Turkey every summer for their summer vacations. You can't imagine how uneducated most of them are. You can't even imagine. believe me. Some even admit that they could neither become Turkish nor German due to this identity crisis and culture shock thingy (it's not their fault though). Surely there are some Turkish people in Europe who are very well educated and contemporary at the utmost. ( I call the latter group "the pride of Turkish modernity" )
   
   
   
   Last but not the least... Here is where it all gets more interesting;
   
   What you claim on this quote is purely whimsical, as the man you're arguing with (me on this occasion) has a masters degree in social science and humanities (World and Turkish History and sociology) not a "google typer".
   
   As a side note, I am a Catholic Christian but I know both sides of the story as I am an ex-Muslim (for 20 or so years I was a Muslim).. (yes a non - practicing and a 100% secular one but I still know Islam very well and respect it and its believers at the utmost)
   
   You are not talking to a hillbilly or a redneck who doesn't have the faintest idea about what he is writing.
   
   I am really tired. believe me. I do want to end this conversation from my side as I have a huge workload at home helping my wife and my newborn baby.
   
   Have a good day my expat friend. I hope I didn't break your heart. I am sorry if I said something offensive. God be with you....

You provided some good information and raised some good points in your posts in this thread. I enjoyed reading your views.
Just a suggestion, if and when your audience is American, tread very carefully with the use of the terms redneck and hillbilly, among others. They probably do not mean quite what you think they mean.

 

[slowmoguy]

You provided some good information and raised some good points in your posts in this thread. I enjoyed reading your views.
Just a suggestion, if and when your audience is American, tread very carefully with the use of the terms redneck and hillbilly, among others. They probably do not mean quite what you think they mean.

You're right dear bob. I call it language barrier. My mistake. I meant no harm. It's a cultural thing I assume. I'll change it right away. Thank you for the valuable reminder brother.

 

[slowmoguy]

You provided some good information and raised some good points in your posts in this thread. I enjoyed reading your views.
Just a suggestion, if and when your audience is American, tread very carefully with the use of the terms redneck and hillbilly, among others. They probably do not mean quite what you think they mean.

btw, There is no edit button anymore. Can moderators help me with that? In my text numbered #147 I kindly request this sentence to be deleted. "You are not talking to a hillbilly or a redneck who doesn't have the faintest idea about what he is writing."

Thank you in advance and sorry for the unintentionally caused trouble.

 

[vocalneal]

if and when your audience is American, tread very carefully with the use of the terms redneck and hillbilly, among others. They probably do not mean quite what you think they mean.

So what do they mean? Local yokel?

Other cultures surely don't use those expressions. A septic would not know what a bogan is. Redneck doesn't work in Scotland as the sun doesn't shine there much? Chookta maybe?

 

[Hawk256]

A septic would not know what a bogan is.

All of my friends down under are bogans. Most of them proudly say so.

 

[Vanuatu]

A septic would not know what a bogan is.

But a Seppo would