kitap and passport change

[Finlay Mitchell]

Out of respect for my mother ( IRISH ) i asked at the IMMIGRATION if I could move my KITAP from my UK PP to my IRISH. By leaving the country with , of course, my UK PP, entering with my IRISH , paying the 30 day VOA and having the KITAP moved to my IRISH.
I was told by changing my Nationality??? I would need a NEW KITAP???
What are the Government regulations concerning this. ??? Rules Regulations etc etc ???
Getting a new KITAP is a MAJOR pain in the rear end.

 

[Hawk256]

Indonesia doesn't acknowledge dual citizenship. So it sounds correct what they are telling you. Start all over with the new nationality.

 

[marcus]

... By leaving the country with , of course, my UK PP, entering with my IRISH , paying the 30 day VOA

You first need to cancel your KITAP (getting an EPO/Exit Only Permit) , otherwise you cannot come back to Indonesia with a VOA/Visa-on-Arrival .

and having the KITAP moved to my IRISH.

So if you do the above , there would be no KITAP anymore .

I was told by changing my Nationality??? I would need a NEW KITAP???

Assuming you have now 2 passports (UK & Irish) , I think it would be fair to just request a process to change your passport & related data in your KITAP's file , keeping the present KITAP of course .

But as we saw already Immigration charging for a new KITAP when people changed the KITAP's sponsor , it is no surprise if they require the same in your case too . NEW means you will have to request the same KITAP process again & pay again of course . If you still decide for this change (and assuming you plan to get the unlimited time KITAP next) , you could wait until near the expiration of the present KITAP , then you just submit the KITAP extension's request with the Irish passport (avoiding the troubles of doing the passport change now) .

UU no.6 Year 2011 - Immigration Law
Article 71 - free translation
Each Foreigner residing in Indonesia must:
a. provide all necessary information regarding the identity and / or their families, and report any changes in civil status, nationality, occupation, sponsor, or a change of address to the local Immigration Office; or

What are the Government regulations concerning this. ??? Rules Regulations etc etc ???

I am not aware of anything in the Law or Regulations (I am not a lawyer but know most of Immigration rules) that specifically applies to your situation .

 

[Finlay Mitchell]

Thanks for the reply. This could be something to consider.
you could wait until near the expiration of the present KITAP , then you just submit the KITAP extension's request with the Irish passport (avoiding the troubles of doing the passport change now) .

On another note, I found on the web, ET-Consultant that states, KITAP Renewal Process. The application must be submitted to the IMMIGRATION office, ,Ideally several months before the KITAP expires.?? Never heard that before.
On another note, my next KITAP will be my fourth. Unfortunately I was 2 weeks late renewing the last one because of illness. The date on the new KITAP did not follow the date of the old one, the new date was the date I visited the IMMI. This means, when the time comes to renew the KITAP, for 5 yrs, my passport will be valid for, 4yrs and 50 weeks.
Surely this cant be a problem. ?? But according to ET Consultants, why not renew a month or 2 before expiry date.??

 

[harryopal1]

As the first Kitap expires at 5 years, you apply not just for renewal but for the "permanent" Kitap. With that done you need to report to immigration after the next five year period but there are no further charges.

 

[marcus]

... On another note, my next KITAP will be my fourth.

You probably have a third (1 year) KITAS/e-ITAS , isn't it ? As far as I know , there is no fourth KITAP .

... when the time comes to renew the KITAP, for 5 yrs,

You probably mean , to convert your 1 year e-ITAS into a 5 years e-ITAP/KITAP , isn't it ?

my passport will be valid for, 4yrs and 50 weeks. Surely this cant be a problem. ?? ...

To extend or to convert Residence Permits (ITAS , ITAP) , you just need a valid passport . But if it will expire soon , better get a new passport before , to avoid the need of an additional Immigration process to change passport's data .

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PerMen no.22 Year 2023
Article 116
(1) Applications for extension of ITAS may be submitted with the following provisions:
a. for ITAS with a maximum period of 1 year, submitted no earlier than 30 days and no later than the day the ITAS ends; or
b. for ITAS with a period of more than 1 year, submitted no earlier than 3 months and no later than the day the ITAS ends.

Article 128
(3) An application for an extension of a ITAP ... may be submitted no earlier than 3 months and no later than the day the ITAP expires ...

Article 174
(2) The application for conversion of an ITAS into an ITAP must be submitted no later than 30 days before the ITAS expires.

 

[Finlay Mitchell]

my next KITAP will be my fourth. What i mean by this is, THE FOURTH TIME I RENEW MY KITAP NOT KITAS.

 

[jstar]

If you plan to stay in the country for the next decades, of course it makes more sense to go for the permanent KITAP. At least you don’t have the pay during the 5 year reporting.

Like Hawk said, forget ‘changing’ your nationality in your current dossier. It will be a fresh start, esp. since this is something they never have to cope with.

Perhaps getting a new KITAP is a major pain but going to the immigration office and getting into a heated discussion with immigration officers is not?

 

[Finlay Mitchell]

my plans to move my KITAP to my IRISH pp is probably a dream and with all rules and regs its just as well I leave it where it is.
As I said earlier when the time comes to visit the IMMIG, my passport will be valid for 5yrs less 2 weeks 4yrs 50 weeks. My KITAP by the way is for life, seeing as I have been married for 20 plus years. I dont know the artikal nr.
I can only hope it wont be agro. I cant find on the web, how long a passport can still be valid and anyway be renewed. I cant immagine the Brits renewing a passport that is still valid for 4yrs and 50 weeks. But i guess stranger things happen.

 

[gemima]

my plans to move my KITAP to my IRISH pp is probably a dream and with all rules and regs its just as well I leave it where it is.
As I said earlier when the time comes to visit the IMMIG, my passport will be valid for 5yrs less 2 weeks 4yrs 50 weeks. My KITAP by the way is for life, seeing as I have been married for 20 plus years. I dont know the artikal nr.
I can only hope it wont be agro. I cant find on the web, how long a passport can still be valid and anyway be renewed. I cant immagine the Brits renewing a passport that is still valid for 4yrs and 50 weeks. But i guess stranger things happen.

I because KITAP is so long - and can be transferred to a renewed passport easily I think they probably just check there is 1 or 2 years on the current one rather than insisting you ahve 5 full years.

Changing your nationality is something I can understand they cant cope with. As an irish person myself I understand your desire to change to using that PP but its not worth the hassle on the Indo side - I would just keep the brit pp if I were you I'm sure your mother would understand.

 

[Finlay Mitchell]

YEAH, I,m sure she would, Hope we get to meet again in another life.
Thanks Finlay

 

[marcus]

[... This means, when the time comes to renew the KITAP, for 5 yrs, my passport will be valid for, 4yrs and 50 weeks ...] ; [... when the time comes to visit the IMMIG, my passport will be valid for 5yrs less 2 weeks 4yrs 50 weeks. My KITAP by the way is for life ... I dont know the artikal nr ...]

a) If you say in your post no.9 above : "KITAP is for life" (unlimited time KITAP) , why you said before in post no.4 above : "renew the KITAP, for 5 yrs" ? It is "5 years report" , not a "renew" .

b) I assume your "artikal nr" = "article number" :

Article 132 of PerMen no.22 Year 2023 - free translation
(1) Foreigners holding ITAP with an unlimited period of time are required to report every 5 years ...
(2) Reporting ... through an application by attaching:
a. Valid passport; and
b. ITAP

I cant find on the web, how long a passport can still be valid and anyway be renewed ...

In my country for example , we can say that we lost a valid passport , so we can get a new one after paying its cost + a fine .

 

[Finlay Mitchell]

I was at the IMMIG yesterday with my BOJO ( Wife ) to enter all details ON LINE concerning the new regs. I was told to wait for the email and then come to the office. Today I got to thinking, my MERP needs renewing next month, and my KITAP REPORT is next yr in August. I must, according to the regs, be able to pay a lifetime MERP for 8jt now and simply REPORT my KITAP next yr ?? OR???

 

[jstar]

Yes and yes.

There is no reason, as was with the kantor Imigrasi visits, to wait and combine then anymore. They can be done simultaneously but sometimes that makes it even more confusing, the system will show multiple lines and it’s not very clear which is which.

 

[harryopal1]

Yes and yes.

There is no reason, as was with the kantor Imigrasi visits, to wait and combine then anymore. They can be done simultaneously but sometimes that makes it even more confusing, the system will show multiple lines and it’s not very clear which is which.

My brain takes me back to being thirteen and introduced to algebra. I had no idea why an alphabetic letter was a number.

 

[jstar]

algebra

The point I was trying to make, is that if you do multiple things at the same time, the system becomes (even more) confusing.

Then you will have multiple line items on these screens and for some it might not be so clear anymore which is 5 year reporting and which is the MERP/IMK request…

So keep it simple and do one thing at the time.

 

[Finlay Mitchell]

Yes and yes.

There is no reason, as was with the kantor Imigrasi visits, to wait and combine then anymore. They can be done simultaneously but sometimes that makes it even more confusing, the system will show multiple lines and it’s not very clear which is which.

Thanks for the reply, I,ll let you know how it goes after the visit.

 

[Finlay Mitchell]

By the way, I have told the wife we will do everything at the immigration office. One time for all.