Just bought the BYD and already dirty and scratched?

[Jenny K]

It seems to be true, and that makes me question the quality of those cars, given the fact that they are becoming cheaper and cheaper. Wisnu Tanuwidjaja shared on the BYD Indonesia Facebook group that his newly purchased BYD Dolphin arrived in a dirty condition with noticeable scratches. He expressed his frustration, noting that the dealer offered to send the car for grooming but only covered a minimal budget of Rp 500,000 (which was obviously was not adequate).
What's your experience with Chinese brands so far? Can we trust the quality?

Oh hey I read about the post here

Mobil Listrik BYD Dolphin Dikeluhkan Konsumen: Baru Beli Sudah Kotor-Baret

Mobil listrik BYD Dolphin tersebut dikeluhkan konsumen di Facebook.

oto.detik.com

 

[Ruserious]

Im a believer in you get what you pay for and that in this case the expectations for chinese cars should be lowered.

 

[centurion]

It seems to be true, and that makes me question the quality of those cars, given the fact that they are becoming cheaper and cheaper. Wisnu Tanuwidjaja shared on the BYD Indonesia Facebook group that his newly purchased BYD Dolphin arrived in a dirty condition with noticeable scratches. He expressed his frustration, noting that the dealer offered to send the car for grooming but only covered a minimal budget of Rp 500,000 (which was obviously was not adequate).
What's your experience with Chinese brands so far? Can we trust the quality?

Oh hey I read about the post here

Mobil Listrik BYD Dolphin Dikeluhkan Konsumen: Baru Beli Sudah Kotor-Baret

Mobil listrik BYD Dolphin tersebut dikeluhkan konsumen di Facebook.

oto.detik.com

There were hundreds of thousands of unsold electrical cars in China, on open parkings. Obviously many dumped to the Indonesian market. If car comes from a factory directly, it is clean. If it was on parking for one year, will be dirty as on the photos.

https://insideevs.com/news/672926/china-abandoned-electric-car-graveyard-byd-geely/

 

[Samoerai]

Obviously many dumped to the Indonesian market.

This was recently in the news in Europe:

The European Union temporarily increased import duties on electric cars produced in China from 10 to almost 38 percent on July 5. The increase is intended to protect the European car industry against state-subsidized competition from China.

8 Jul 2024

 

[Balifrog]

The BYD Dolphin only launched in 2021 in China and was / is very succesfull.

"Since its debut in August 2021, the BYD DOLPHIN has consistently held its position as the top-selling A0-level hatchback in China for 19 consecutive months. The BYD DOLPHIN continues to make a global impact, delivering premium green mobility to customers worldwide.22 Sept 2023"

 

[Balifrog]

This was recently in the news in Europe:

The European Union temporarily increased import duties on electric cars produced in China from 10 to almost 38 percent on July 5. The increase is intended to protect the European car industry against state-subsidized competition from China.

8 Jul 2024

Yep, same as.they did for Japanese cars in the 70's and Korean car in early 2000...
See how that worked out.... They are everywhere !

 

[Samoerai]

Yep, same as.they did for Japanese cars in the 70's and Korean car in early 2000...
See how that worked out.... They are everywhere !

China cannot sell those EV cars in EU and in USA. In China itself people don't have purchasing power to buy cars, because of the real estate crisis. On top of that China has a huge debt problem:

China's debt problem

A look at China's debt as a percentage of GDP since 2006.

fingfx.thomsonreuters.com

 

[Balifrog]

China cannot sell those EV cars in EU and in USA. In China itself people don't have purchasing power to buy cars, because of the real estate crisis. On top of that China has a huge debt problem:

China's debt problem

A look at China's debt as a percentage of GDP since 2006.

fingfx.thomsonreuters.com

I think you should do your due diligence.....

China's 2023 auto sales grow 12% on overseas demand for EVs

Belgium, Thailand are key destinations for Chinese electric cars

asia.nikkei.com

Concerning the debt.... look at the US, or France.....

 

[Samoerai]

I think you should do your due diligence.....

China's 2023 auto sales grow 12% on overseas demand for EVs

Belgium, Thailand are key destinations for Chinese electric cars

asia.nikkei.com

Concerning the debt.... look at the US, or France.....

Interesting, but this article is from january. At the end of this article it says:

Despite better-than-expected growth in 2023, CAAM set a modest target of 3% for 2024, suggesting weaker demand amid China's unstable recovery from the COVID pandemic. The World Bank has projected the nation's economic growth will slow to 4.5% in 2024, down from 5.2% that was forecast for 2023, hit by subdued consumer sentiment and investment.

France also has a huge debt. Together with Portugal, Italy and Spain. That's why there are major concerns for another euro crisis. Better save your money, instead of buying cars, or better buy gold or invest in Swiss funds.

 

[Jenny K]

There were hundreds of thousands of unsold electrical cars in China, on open parkings. Obviously many dumped to the Indonesian market. If car comes from a factory directly, it is clean. If it was on parking for one year, will be dirty as on the photos.

https://insideevs.com/news/672926/china-abandoned-electric-car-graveyard-byd-geely/

wow this is the first time I've seen this. The mountains of bikes is insane, and I thought the car graveyard was creepy enough

 

[Jenny K]

Im a believer in you get what you pay for and that in this case the expectations for chinese cars should be lowered.

Brutal honesty ... But at least get the buyers a new car for goodness's sake

 

[Jenny K]

This was recently in the news in Europe:

The European Union temporarily increased import duties on electric cars produced in China from 10 to almost 38 percent on July 5. The increase is intended to protect the European car industry against state-subsidized competition from China.

8 Jul 2024

This is interesting, I tried to google it but couldn't find the exact article. Do you have the link?

 

[centurion]

wow this is the first time I've seen this. The mountains of bikes is insane, and I thought the car graveyard was creepy enough

The funny thing. Foreign EV in Indoeia have tax/duty subsidies if they open a factory in Indonesia (Wuling and Hyundaii.e.).

Suddenly, the regulations changed and the foreign companies that commit to open a factory in Indonesia(without yet opening it), have rights to import their vehicles with reduced duties and taxes-local producers with factories complained on this . That is probably the way BYD dumped its excess Chinese stock of EVs, without opening a factory in Indonesia. That is maybe why the car is dirty inside the body (like it was on a parking for a long time).

 

[El_Goretto]

@Jenny K , I have to question your intentions here. I personally don't care one way or another regarding BYD. But you sign up on this forum specifically to share about this 1 incident with a buyer? Why?

Maybe now would be a good time for you to introduce yourself on why you signed up, what your connection to Indonesia is, what you seek from this forum and what you hope to contribute. It's totally optional, but would be nice. You can introduce yourself by creating a new thread there: https://www.expatindo.org/community/forums/introductions-and-newbie-corner.38/

 

[Balifrog]

Interesting, but this article is from january. At the end of this article it says:

Despite better-than-expected growth in 2023, CAAM set a modest target of 3% for 2024, suggesting weaker demand amid China's unstable recovery from the COVID pandemic. The World Bank has projected the nation's economic growth will slow to 4.5% in 2024, down from 5.2% that was forecast for 2023, hit by subdued consumer sentiment and investment.

France also has a huge debt. Together with Portugal, Italy and Spain. That's why there are major concerns for another euro crisis. Better save your money, instead of buying cars, or better buy gold or invest in Swiss funds.

you're going off topic mate....
I have no time for that.

 

[Samoerai]

This is interesting, I tried to google it but couldn't find the exact article. Do you have the link?

I think the report is from Reuters ...

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/chinas-car-sales-slide-june-falling-third-month-2024-07-08/

 

[Jaime C]

As a BYD shareholder, I’d certainly complain to corporate, or ask for a replacement car. Obviously the car was damaged before it got to you.

 

[jstar]

Yeah let’s join an expat forum to start complaining about a car brand?!

Btw, those who think the cars that are ‘rotting away’ on Chinese parkings are later sold to Indonesia don’t really understand the difference between a left- and right-hand-drive market.

We have seen the same hoaxes of bad quality and graveyard parkings popping up about Tesla’s or Volkswagen’s ID.3. Big Oil is really doing its best to destroy the electric vehicle evolution.

 

[Balifrog]

As a BYD shareholder, I’d certainly complain to corporate, or ask for a replacement car. Obviously the car was damaged before it got to you.

Yep, but he accepted it and signed the delivery note....

Logically he should have reject it on delivery. Crying on social media is not the way to go.

 

[centurion]

Yeah let’s join an expat forum to start complaining about a car brand?!

Btw, those who think the cars that are ‘rotting away’ on Chinese parkings are later sold to Indonesia don’t really understand the difference between a left- and right-hand-drive market.

We have seen the same hoaxes of bad quality and graveyard parkings popping up about Tesla’s or Volkswagen’s ID.3. Big Oil is really doing its best to destroy the electric vehicle evolution.

Switching left to right and vice versa is not so hard btw.