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Indonesia’s Jokowi Rumored in Golkar Party Coup
I am still grateful to Jokowi for disbanding FPI.A lot of foreign (goverment) advisors are very positive about Widodo's period of government. And I am thinking: "really?"
Mmm... on a global scale, disbanding a political party because the "ruler" doesn't like their ideas is far from being democratic.I am still grateful to Jokowi for disbanding FPI.
FPI was never a "political party". It was always a fanatical religious hate group.Mmm... on a global scale, disbanding a political party because the "ruler" doesn't like their ideas is far from being democratic.
Thailand is a perfect example.
Germany wanting to ban the AFD is another.
The whole oolitical spectrum in France bashing the far right is another.
Etc....
Oops, back to Indonesia. Think 1965 / 66 ....
My bad...FPI was never a "political party". It was always a fanatical religious hate group.
That was their cover story. They weren't really particularly religious and were basically a protection racket.FPI was never a "political party". It was always a fanatical religious hate group.
You are free to have your own opinions on any subject but since when does what someone wears distinguish their probability of being good or bad? It's already starting to look shady enough when you try to classify a whole group based on religon alone but when you start physically profiling them, it somehow gets even worse.They haven't even changed their attire; they are still dressed in the same white robe and turban.
You are free to have your own opinions on any subject but since when does what someone wears distinguish their probability of being good or bad? It's already starting to look shady enough when you try to classify a whole group based on religon alone but when you start physically profiling them, it somehow gets even worse.
What I've read on them says you're right. They seem to have started as a rent-a-mob and moved on to trying a coup.FPI was never a "political party". It was always a fanatical religious hate group.
Any sensible leader would ban this organization. They have been involved in terrorist activities, including attacking places of worship and vandalizing entertainment venues. Post #10 is just one example of their criminal behaviour, with many more instances of their terrorist acts.What I've read on them says you're right. They seem to have started as a rent-a-mob and moved on to trying a coup.
I'm not sure about the religion angle. There was something about their leader cheating on his wife and sending dirty photos to his girlfriend. He doesn't sound all that religious.
I'd have to read more but the rough outline looks pretty bad.
If Widodo got rid of them, he probably did the country a favour.
Let's not get carried away. Unless they have completely changed their mindset they're not going to really push for sharia, they're going to push to get paid.Any sensible leader would ban this organization. They have been involved in terrorist activities, including attacking places of worship and vandalizing entertainment venues. Post #10 is just one example of their criminal behaviour, with many more instances of their terrorist acts.
"Karo Penmas Humas Polri Brigjen Rusdi Hartono mengatakan, 19 tersangka teroris dari kelompok Jamaah Ansharut Daulah (JAD) Makassar merupakan anggota Front Pembela Islam (FPI)".![]()
Polri: 19 Tersangka Teroris dari Makassar Anggota FPI
Menurut Polri, 19 tersangka teroris dari kelompok Jamaah Ansharut Daulah (JAD) Makassar merupakan anggota Front Pembela Islam (FPI).nasional.kompas.com
Head of Public Relations of the Indonesian National Police, Brigadier General Rusdi Hartono, said that the 19 terrorist suspects from the Jamaah Ansharut Daulah (JAD) Makassar group were members of the Islamic Defenders Front (FPI).
The Spoke man of National Police Commission (Benny Mamoto) Reveals 37 Defendants of Terrorism have FPI Background.
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Benny Mamoto Ungkap 37 Terdakwa Terorisme Berlatar FPI, FPI: Itu Oknum
Benny Mamoto mengungkapkan data 37 terdakwa kasus terorisme berlatar belakang FPI. FPI menilai perbuatan oknum tidak bisa dikaitkan dengan organisasi.news.detik.com
It's no surprise that their members are generally poor and frustrated individuals who struggle to make a decent living. They can be easily motivated to flood the streets, committing vandalism and terrorizing others for just a packed lunch and a small amount of pocket money. This is an organization that won't stop until Sharia law is implemented in Indonesia, arguing that efforts to fight for Islamic law in legislation do not violate the constitution.
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FPI: Perjuangkan Syariat Islam dalam UU Bukan Pelanggaran
Ketua FPI Jakarta Habib Muhsin Alatas mengatakan bahwa usaha memperjuangkan syariat Islam dalam perundang-undangan tak melanggar konstitusi.www.cnnindonesia.com
Indeed, you nailed it ... and that is why it would be highly unlikely that Indonesia economically will rise. Big chance Indonesia will be stuck in the middle income trap. Just too many children and young people, who at this moment contribute 'kosong' to the economy. Only optimists will say that Indonesia has a large and young work force (now 100 million people) that will help Indonesia to "madju". Huh, don't see that happening when I look at those childeren and young people, so called Gen-Z.Careful what do you wish for. Islamic boarding schools produce millions of unskilled, usually polite, workers which are necessary for providing services for the country to function. While it is maybe sad for them, it would cause a big problem if there were suddenly millions of highly educated people looking for skilled work that doesn't exist.
I agree to some extent, as many of those who graduate from these boarding schools are not the sharpest knife in the drawer. There is usually a reason they end up in such schools. After graduating, it is unlikely they can compete on equal footing with other students for spots in reputable state universities. Many are admitted due to political quotas. When people are struggling to make ends meet, and have nothing more productive to do, they will accept small amounts of pocket money to join street protests, mob, vandalism or take actions they believe align with their faith.Let's not get carried away. Unless they have completely changed their mindset they're not going to really push for sharia, they're going to push to get paid.