Jakarta bans gatherings of more than 5 people

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Hello everyone,

I just saw this: https://jakartaglobe.id/news/jakarta-bans-gathering-of-more-than-five-people-starting-friday

I was wondering if an all out ban on gatherings of more than five people from tomorrow (Friday 10th April) extends to visits to the supermarket. In the article it is suggested that the penalty for doing so would be prosecution. I know laws here are typically harsh and enforcement can often be more relaxed in normal situations. How strictly will this be enforced do you think? It's also discouraged to stockpile supplies...

Hmmm...
 

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Obviously it means an event or meeting etc. Not you alone going to a supermarket for essential supplies.
 

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It's not worded "obviously" and things here are often opaque. I just wonder what the level of enforcement will be considering the military are possibly involved.
 
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It's not worded "obviously" and things here are often opaque. I just wonder what the level of enforcement will be considering the military are possibly involved.
Yes it's true. If you go in to a supermarket tomorrow and there are already 5 people inside then the military will shot you on the spot.

Edit I suppose I better add the /s as these days you never can tell.
 

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Let's hope there are not 3 other people on the train with you then. Or the bus.

I wish people would use their common sense more. And since most grocery stores have security etc I am pretty sure if it was super crowded inside they would say to wait outside for a few minutes. And yes it is pretty obvious.
 

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Let's hope there are not 3 other people on the train with you then. Or the bus.

I wish people would use their common sense more. And since most grocery stores have security etc I am pretty sure if it was super crowded inside they would say to wait outside for a few minutes. And yes it is pretty obvious.
I wish people would be more tolerant and courteous and less dismissive. We are in a discussion forum after all...
 
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Let's hope there are not 3 other people on the train with you then. Or the bus.

I wish people would use their common sense more. And since most grocery stores have security etc I am pretty sure if it was super crowded inside they would say to wait outside for a few minutes. And yes it is pretty obvious.
Yes, I imagine each store might start to implement a system where they limit the numbers in the store (not 5 of course - it would depend on store size). Since I've temporarily relocated to Ireland seeing queues outside supermarkets is common. My nearest mini-market has a limit of 10 customers at a time (its small). Makes shopping quite pleasant as the store is nice an empty (as long as you don't mind queuing at the beginning :)).
 

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Yes, I imagine each store might start to implement a system where they limit the numbers in the store (not 5 of course - it would depend on store size). Since I've temporarily relocated to Ireland seeing queues outside supermarkets is common. My nearest mini-market has a limit of 10 customers at a time (its small). Makes shopping quite pleasant as the store is nice an empty (as long as you don't mind queuing at the beginning :)).
I went earlier because this rule is being imposed from tomorrow. Was a lot quieter than in the evening last week. I ruled out going back to the UK. Seems to be pretty locked up too.

Thanks for the kind response.
 

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If they detain people for breaching the regulations - where do they detain them and if together in some sort of holding area , isn't that a breach of the regulations too- I feel a conundrum coming on here...
 

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If they detain people for breaching the regulations - where do they detain them and if together in some sort of holding area , isn't that a breach of the regulations too- I feel a conundrum coming on here...
It should be... due to social distancing regulations... Ahhh life and its complexities. The mind boggles...

I was in Thailand for the 2014 military coup when they ousted Yingluck Shinawatra as prime minister. It turned out to be relatively benign in the end, but I was at the cinema watching X-Men. When I left the auditorium the whole mall was empty and a few security guards urged us out of the mall. The street was full of soldiers and I was ordered home pretty sharpish. Was pretty scary.

The police were then dismissed for a week until civil obedience was restored by the military. A few bombs went off, one bad one in Ratchaprasong at a place of worship. Lack of stability always concerns me and military intervention in civilian situations never has "obvious" outcomes. My local supermarket was closed for a week. It was based in the same mall as the cinema. Hence my initial question haha... Thanks for the link to that article. 🙏
 

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I am not in Jakarta but I try to go out to get shopping once a week, so that I can get a sense of how things are in the city area- we are in a very rural place.
Today the police were trawling the main streets calling everyone to go home through their car mounted speaker system, also telling people no large gatherings permitted- just to stay home with immediate family.
I want a heads up of the mood in case things start to get antsy.
Bandung seems to be pretty cool & collected about all this, at the moment. The streets were exceptionally quiet, the shops fairly busy but we didn't have to queue at the cashier.
The shops do not seem to be empty of most goods, I even found a pile of manky bawang bombay at 100rb a kilo I sifted 5 decent ones out of the pile :) YAY!
So far so good re bandung- people are holing up and listening to advice... up in our lil kampung, less so , street vendors still out, the little clothing factory near us is working 24/7 - maybe they are making essential items/ PPE?
I don't know.
Now we just need to get the kids to stay inside instead of treating it like a school holiday & playing out with their mates- they did stand out as the ones flouting guidelines.
 

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I am not in Jakarta but I try to go out to get shopping once a week, so that I can get a sense of how things are in the city area- we are in a very rural place.
Today the police were trawling the main streets calling everyone to go home through their car mounted speaker system, also telling people no large gatherings permitted- just to stay home with immediate family.
I want a heads up of the mood in case things start to get antsy.
Bandung seems to be pretty cool & collected about all this, at the moment. The streets were exceptionally quiet, the shops fairly busy but we didn't have to queue at the cashier.
The shops do not seem to be empty of most goods, I even found a pile of manky bawang bombay at 100rb a kilo I sifted 5 decent ones out of the pile :) YAY!
So far so good re bandung- people are holing up and listening to advice... up in our lil kampung, less so , street vendors still out, the little clothing factory near us is working 24/7 - maybe they are making essential items/ PPE?
I don't know.
Now we just need to get the kids to stay inside instead of treating it like a school holiday & playing out with their mates- they did stand out as the ones flouting guidelines.
Good that people in the city are following guidelines. I haven't been out of the mall complex that I live in for weeks. The Farmer's Market here is quite small and always rammed these days. I queued for about an hour last week. So wanted to make touch base with everyone here. I work in a secondary school and the kids are starting to get really frustrated. Hard to blame them really, being cooped up at home. I guess the kids in the rural area you live in have more places to play? Our students are all city kids. Their idea of a serious problem is a poor WiFi connection... this is hard on them. I had a walk through the ruko on the side of the complex and there were still a few warungs open. Not as busy as normal. Some people still got to hustle I guess...
 

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The whole program is stupid because it does not limit movement outside of Jakarta.
Exactly right. For some reason they think Jakarta is where it is all happening. Fact is, it is where they are doing the testing. Beyond Jakarta is given little thought by the Central Government. Now the Central Government has taken away options the Regional and City leaders had.
Even Jakarta us a joke since anyone can come and go.
 

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Wife and I went on our weekly grocery run. Supermarket is located in a mall. While it is my understanding the president said everyone in the nation must be wearing a mask or covering of some type. Our Mayor here put out word that face mask are required to be worn by anyone in public areas. Looking around, probably close to 10% of customers and employees we seen, had no mask or were wearing around their neck. In the grocery store I pointed directly at any employee not wearing their mask and told them to get it on. I came across the Store manager who knows quite well who I am since we have been customers since they opened their doors, and pointed right at him who was wearing a mask and told him to get his shit together and manage his people. I did point at a few customers but they just did the deer in the headlight stare.

Evidently, due to so many places being closed now, everyone is heading to the malls here. Many are carrying no bags or anything. Just walking around. Still in groups and mist irritating was one group of women, 6 strong, 4 with mask who were all dressed in their drab brown gov uniforms.

Maybe they need to get serious about enforcement. Fine store managers for each employee not wearing a mask. Post at every entrance, no mask, no enter. If someone enters without they get escorted out. Pretty simple.

A large amount of people are just stupid. Why do they think they do not have to follow the rules that are meant to not just protect others, but also themselves. Why do they think that when one is looking at sonething on a shelf they can put half their body directly in front of, touching you, so they can see something? Maybe they are like my SIL here. It is up to Allah so nothing needs to be changed. Bull shit.
 

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And more people have died of dengue this year anyway. 254 so far from 39,000 registered cases from Jan 1 to Apr 1 2020 (all of Indonesia)
 

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