Interfaith / religious marriage is banned by the Supreme court.

[Helpful Herbert]

I suppose that the only way to be sure that one's marriage is valid is to be married overseas!

But that's the problem. When you come back from overseas and try to register it at the catatan sipil it seems like they might not accept it, whereas before they used to accept it.
So you could end up being married abroad but unmarried in the eyes of the Indonesian authorities.

 

[flavus]

But that's the problem. When you come back from overseas and try to register it at the catatan sipil it seems like they might not accept it, whereas before they used to accept it.
So you could end up being married abroad but unmarried in the eyes of the Indonesian authorities.

Indeed, I know at least one case where catatan sipil refused. Whereas registering a marriage abroad with catatan sipil used to be accepted so the courts didn't need to get involved.

I don't want to add my own data point, we are not even going to try since we're relinquishing our passports instead

 

[serious_fun]

But that's the problem. When you come back from overseas and try to register it at the catatan sipil it seems like they might not accept it, whereas before they used to accept it.
So you could end up being married abroad but unmarried in the eyes of the Indonesian authorities.

I was under the impression that the marriage certificate which has been registered at the Indo consulate overseas is always accepted.

 

[centurion]

I was under the impression that the marriage certificate which has been registered at the Indo consulate overseas is always accepted.

It is accepted under conditions that the spouse is non-Muslim, that they have a foreign marriage certificate and that the embassy registered their marriage. The registration of the foreign marriage continues in Indonesian Civil Registry Office.

If the spouse is a Muslim, a foreign muslim marriage certificate is required, foreign marriage certificate (as most of countries do not recognize religios ceremony as official), and embassy registration. The registration of the foreign marriage continues in KUA.

 

[flavus]

It is accepted under conditions that the spouse is non-Muslim, that they have a foreign marriage certificate and that the embassy registered their marriage. The registration of the foreign marriage continues in Indonesian Civil Registry Office.

If the spouse is a Muslim, a foreign muslim marriage certificate is required, foreign marriage certificate (as most of countries do not recognize religios ceremony as official), and embassy registration. The registration of the foreign marriage continues in KUA.

Are we sure that is still enough? A friend of mine satisfied all these and they still got denied. I wonder if they apply stricter rules nowadays if both spouses are Indonesians.

Or they just got unlucky.

 

[centurion]

Are we sure that is still enough? A friend of mine satisfied all these and they still got denied. I wonder if they apply stricter rules nowadays if both spouses are Indonesians.

Or they just got unlucky.

Depends on the detail. Are they both non-muslims? If some of them is Muslim, the other one should be converted while doing the religious ceremony abroad.

 

[serious_fun]

... if both spouses are Indonesians.

Is this the issue? WNA & WNI mixed-faith marriages* done overseas are still "approved"**.

* WNAWNIMFM ?

**Don't you just love it when we are treated as if we're small children?

 

[centurion]

Is this the issue? WNA & WNI mixed-faith marriages* done overseas are still "approved"**.

* WNAWNIMFM ?

**Don't you just love it when we are treated as if we're small children?

Basically, they are not approved anymore. If you are married abroad and one of the spouses is muslim, you have to convert to Islam and conduct the religious rite abroad besides the civil marriage ceremony.

 

[serious_fun]

What a load of rubbish.

Thankfully we've been registered...but these types of things just make Indonesia look so backward.

On a positive note, the Taliban were in Jakarta a few weeks ago trying to drum up investment.

 

[Samoerai]

Basically, they are not approved anymore. If you are married abroad and one of the spouses is muslim, you have to convert to Islam and conduct the religious rite abroad besides the civil marriage ceremony.

The best thing to do is .. do the whole marriage thing all over again in Indonesia.

 

[pantaiema]

The Supreme Court's ban on interfaith/religious marriages is regressive, moving backward
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Fk3N9SaWz1g Mark-Paul Gosselaar Is Half Asian (Indonesian)

Mark-Paul Gosselaar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Interfaith / religious, cross national marriage will give a better chance for the new generation to be taller, more pointed nose, better looking, have better genes,

 

[Helpful Herbert]

The best thing to do is .. do the whole marriage thing all over again in Indonesia.

Not sure if you're allowed to get married twice to the same person. Although an Indonesian religious ceremony may not count as a real marriage anywhere else. Would be weird to have 2 wedding dates though.

 

[Samoerai]

Would be weird to have 2 wedding dates though.

But fun ...