Info required on current retirement visa cost please

Scorpihun

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I am a British citizen, looking for the current costs of obtaining a retirement visa for Indonesia.
I am aware that I must start with KITAS visa, and that it is renewable annually for 5 years
I am also aware that the KITAP visa, which follows, is valid for 5 years, and also renewable every 5 years
So I am asking for a total cost of the KITAS visa over the 5 years, and the one off cost of a KITAP visa
Please use [email protected] for your replies......thanks
 

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I am not sure all of that information you posted is correct?
But anyway, are you here already in Indonesia?
Are you working here?
Sponsored already?
Married to an Indonesian?
What is your age?
 

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You need a 319 visa anyway
Below is out of date info but roughly similar these days

Visa Requirements​

The retirement visa facility is intended to assist those wishing to spend their retirement in Indonesia and has the following requirements:

  • Applicant is 55 years of age or older
  • Applicant is retired
  • Possess a passport or travel documents with more than 18 months remaining validity
  • Copy of all passport pages
  • Eight passport photos 3x4 cm, taken with a red background
  • Twelve photos, 6x4 cm, taken with a red background
  • Curriculum vitae
  • Copy of marriage certificate, if married
  • Statement from Pension Fund Foundation or Bank from the country of origin (or Indonesia) of funds available, minimum of US$1,500 per month, from retirement income or investments to provide the applicant living expenses during the stay in Indonesia- Total US$18,000 per year. (Note: this amount is higher than many other countries' requirements). Married retired couples must both prove an individual income of $1,500/month and apply separately.
  • Proof of medical/health Insurance, life insurance, and third-party personal liability insurance in country of origin or Indonesia (Note: Foreign retirees are NOT eligible to enroll in BPJS Kesehatan - the National Health Insurance in Indonesia)
  • Statement of living accommodation in Indonesia. Minimum cost of US$35,000 if
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    purchased house/apartment or, a minimum rental cost of US$500/month in Jakarta, Bandung, and Bali; US$300/month for other cities in Java Island, Batam, and Medan, and other cities a minimum US$ 200/month.) in the tourist areas according to the regulations
  • Statement to declare intent to employ an Indonesian maid and/or driver whilst living in Indonesia
  • Payment of Immigration Fee based on effective regulations
  • Sponsor letter from the appointed travel agency, costs to be paid by applicant
  • Statement agreeing not to engage in business activities or work for a living. You MAY NOT WORK in Indonesia on this visa!
  • You may stay in Indonesia for one year on this visa, extendable up to five times (1 year each) for a maximum stay of five years. Extensions can be done without having to leave the country.
  • A statement letter of financial ability to rent an accommodation at for a minimum of US$500 per month in Jakarta or US$300 per month outside Jakarta. (You must sign a lease for housing with a minimum one year period.) Alternately you can supply proof that you own a house under an Indonesian spouse's name.
If only one spouse qualifies for a retirement visa, then that person can be the sponsor for a eITAS (semi-permanent residency - dependent visa index 317) for the dependent spouse that doesn't qualify. For example if she/he isn't 55 years old. In other words, both spousal applicants do NOT have to be 55, just one.

You can enter first on a visit visa and then after a month apply for the limited stay permit (ITAS). But you will need to leave the country, most commonly to Singapore, to finalize the new visa processing.

Hiring an Agent​

Retirement agencies are appointed by the Tourism Department and the Directorate General of Immigration with the purpose of sponsoring and processing retirement visas for foreigners.

Your application must be done through a licensed agency that can advise you as you gather up all the needed documents. The agency functions as your "sponsor" and the agent must submit the application. You can't submit a retirement visa application yourself. While there are many stories floating around the community/internet about shortcutting processes with incomplete documentation, this may harm your status or renewal in the future, so we don't advise it !

Various firms offer their services to act as a coordinators for seniors and must sponsor all those applying for this visa facility. One of these is Rami Formalities. In pricing negotiations, just be clear exactly which documents they will help you get. Sometimes the rate sounds higher, but they are assisting you to get additional needed documents beyond the ITAS, such as SKTT, STM/Resort Police Report.

Note that the Keputusan Menteri nomor M.04-IZ.01.02 tahun 1998 and subsequent regulation M.07-IZ.01.02 TAHUN 2006, effective 31 August 2006, limits the eligibility of the retirement visa to citizens of the following countries:

Argentina
Australia
Austria
Bahrain
Belgium
Brazil
Brunei Darusalam
Bulgaria
Canada
Cyprus
Denmark
Egypt
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
India
Iran
Ireland
Island
Italy
Japan
Kuwait
Liechtenstein
Luxemburg
Malaysia
Maldives
Malta
Monaco
The Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Oman
Philippine
Poland
Portugal
Qatar
Russia
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
South Africa
South Korea
Spain
Suriname
Sweden
Switzerland
Taiwan
Thailand
United Arab Emirate
United Kingdom
USA
Citizens from these countries can NOT apply for a retirement visa:
Afghanistan
Guinea
Israel
North Korea
Cameroon
Liberia
Niger
Nigeria
Somalia

Indonesian Law & Regulations​

The full titles of the regulations that govern retirement visas are:

Peraturan yang mengatur Keputusan Menteri Kehakiman RI No. M.04-IZ.01.02 tahun 1998 tentang Pemberian Visa dan Izin Keimigrasian bagi Wisatawan Lanjut Usia Mancanegara;

Lampiran Keputusan Dirjen Imigrasi No. F. 492-UM.01.10, April 18, 2002 tentang Petunjuk Pelaksanaan Pemberian Visa dan Izin Keimigrasian bagi Wisatawan Lanjut Usia Mancanegara.


Peraturan Pemerintah RI Nomor 31 Tahun 2013 Tentang Peraturan Pelaksanaan Undang-Undang Nomor 6 Tahun 2011 tentang Keimigrasian - Indonesian - English translation.

Steps after Retirement Visa Approval​

Once you receive the written communication that your visa has been approved, you need to take this to the nearest Indonesian consular office (at a consulate or embassy) that has jurisdiction over the area you live in. Check with the embassy to see what other things you must need to provide with the confirmation document. This process can also be done at the Indoensian embassy in Singapore with the assistance of a local agent. Your visa agent in Indonesia should be able to help you make these connections.

After you return to Indonesia with the new stamp in your passport, you must present yourself to the Immigration office to complete the process. Just like other forms of semi-permanent residence, you'll need to have your photos and fingerprints taken at the immigration office.

Read through the other document requirements on our main Visas and Documents page.

Indonesian Income Tax for Retirees​

Be advised that even on a retirement visa, according to government regulations you will be liable to pay Indonesian personal income tax on your global income, taxed at the rate of 5-30%, depending on your income. However, in practice, we haven't heard of anyone having to pay this tax on their global income.

The Indonesian government has been considering doing away with this requirement - as the worlwide income taxation discourages foreigners from retiring in Indonesia.

If the rule is applied, your country may allow credits due to double taxation.

ITAP for Senior Citizens​

After extending the one-year limited stay permit (retirement visa) five consecutive times (5 years), foreign retirees can apply for a permanent stay permit visa (ITAP) through a Senior Foreign Tourist Travel Bureau, as follows:

  • Application letter and guarantee from tourist travel bureau as a sponsor.
  • License (SIUP) and tax number (NPWP) of the travel bureau.
  • Appointment letter of travel bureau to handle the Foreign Senior Tourist.
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  • Curriculum vitae.
  • Original and copy of valid passport
  • Four photographs, size 2x3 cm.
  • Statement of accounts, issued by Pension Fund Institution or bank/s declaring funds of not less than US$1,500/month are available to finance his/her stay in Indonesia.
  • Statement/evidence verifying actual stay at available accommodation facilities through the purchase or rental at minimum specified rates.
  • Statement to declare employment of Indonesian maid-servant during his/her stay in Indonesia.
  • The most recent, still valid, limited stay permit visa.
 

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Finally there are multiple posts and threads on this topic, please use the searchh function, an entire section devoted to visas
 

Scorpihun

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I am not sure all of that information you posted is correct?
But anyway, are you here already in Indonesia?
Are you working here?
Sponsored already?
Married to an Indonesian?
What is your age?
I am currently in the UK, but I was over there for three weeks during May this year
I have no intentions to work there
I have no sponsor at present, does this mean an Agency ?
Currently unmarried, but with Indonesian girl friend
I am 69 years old
 

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I am a British citizen, looking for the current costs of obtaining a retirement visa for Indonesia.
I am aware that I must start with KITAS visa, and that it is renewable annually for 5 years
I am also aware that the KITAP visa, which follows, is valid for 5 years, and also renewable every 5 years
So I am asking for a total cost of the KITAS visa over the 5 years, and the one off cost of a KITAP visa
Please use [email protected] for your replies......thanks
Around 15-20 million is the usual price for a retiree visa and stay permit (ITAS/KITAS), every extension should be cheaper as there is no visa involved in the extension process, just the stay permit is extended.
 
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I paid about 15 million for my retirement KITAS.
But beware of taxation. I am being chased by the tax office in relation to an investment account i have in Singapore. I need to declare the account and pay tax on the dividends and capital gains tax
 

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I paid about 15 million for my retirement KITAS.
But beware of taxation. I am being chased by the tax office in relation to an investment account i have in Singapore. I need to declare the account and pay tax on the dividends and capital gains tax
So as I understand you did not pay the tax on previously held assets but just dividends and capital gains from the time when you became an Indonesian tax resident?
 

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I was working for a local company on a KITAS from 2018-20, having worked for many years for international donor organisations, where I did not need to register for Indonesian tax. With the company I paid local taxes on my Indonesian income and declared my savings with Indonesian banks. I was advised by company accountants that it was not necessary to report assets outside Indonesia.
At the end of 2020 I stopped working and changed to a retirement KITAS. I continued only to report my Indonesian assets and income (now zero) in my 2021 tax return.
Suddenly in March 2022 I got a letter from the tax office saying that they believed I had failed to report assets in Singapore in 2020 and inviting me to take part in a tax amnesty - meaning that I would have to pay 18% of the assets (or 12% if I brought them to Indonesia and invested them for 5 years). I have taken advice and decided not to take part in the tax amnesty but rather to revise my tax returns since 2018 to include the assets, the dividends and capital gains. This is legal - it can be done for up to 5 years in the past - but unpaid tax will attract a penalty of 1% per month up to a maximum of 24 months on each tax return.
The information about assets in Singapore appears to be the result of data sharing between Indonesia and Singapore.
 

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@Wally
Thanks for the details, quite informative. But you have paid a penalty of 1%/month on undeclared dividends and capital gains, not assets themselves?
 

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A tax consultant is currently preparing the revised tax return. I haven't paid anything yet. As I understand the 1% per month is on unpaid tax on income, dividends and capital gains, not the assets. But I have to convince them that the assets were held before I became resident in Indonesia - not too difficult.
By the way, I am British too. The assets ended up in Singapore because my British bank threatened to close my investment account in the UK because I am resident overseas. That was eventually resolved but not until I had transferred part of my investments to a European investment bank based in Singapore.
Incidentally, in 2019 Sri Mulyani, Indeonsian finance minister announced the intention to only tax expats on local income in line with other countries in the region. But it doesn’t seem like it was implemented.
 

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Around 15-20 million is the usual price for a retiree visa and stay permit (ITAS/KITAS), every extension should be cheaper as there is no visa involved in the extension process, just the stay permit is extended.
Many thanks Bob
 

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I am currently in the UK, but I was over there for three weeks during May this year
I have no intentions to work there
I have no sponsor at present, does this mean an Agency ?
Currently unmarried, but with Indonesian girl friend
I am 69 years old
Curious. Do you have any plans to get married? If so, you would certainly save a lot of money in regards to Immigration fees. Tons.
 

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Curious. Do you have any plans to get married? If so, you would certainly save a lot of money in regards to Immigration fees. Tons.
Yes I do, but it is going to happen after I arrive there, therefore, is it best to obtain a visa on arrival and then marry, and go onto make my retirement visa application after that?
 

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Yes I do, but it is going to happen after I arrive there, therefore, is it best to obtain a visa on arrival and then marry, and go onto make my retirement visa application after that?
If you are marrying an Indonesian then stay far away from a retirement visa and instead apply for spouse sponsored kitas and after 2 years of marriage go for the spouse sponsored kitap. You will not need an agent for a sponsor and it is something you can do yourself for a lot less. A lot.
 

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If you are marrying an Indonesian then stay far away from a retirement visa and instead apply for spouse sponsored kitas and after 2 years of marriage go for the spouse sponsored kitap. You will not need an agent for a sponsor and it is something you can do yourself for a lot less. A lot.

Great advice
 

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If you are marrying an Indonesian then stay far away from a retirement visa and instead apply for spouse sponsored kitas and after 2 years of marriage go for the spouse sponsored kitap. You will not need an agent for a sponsor and it is something you can do yourself for a lot less. A lot.
Wow....many thanks for that info, at last I have some good news.....I am very grateful for your help, many thanks
 

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