Indonesia's mega corruption case, business as usual?

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The Indonesian electronic KTP (national ID card) program has been beset with problems since the inception of the program. From lack of forms leaving millions without ID cards, to incredibly poor quality cards that are easily destroyed. It has now been revealed, to no one's surprise, that the project has been used as a feeding trough for corrupt officials from the top down. The Corruption Eradication Commission (KPK) estimated that a full 49% of the Rp 6 trillion budget (USD 450 million) was shared among corrupt officials, both in government and parliament crossing multiple political parties.

Currently only two mid level officials from the Interior Ministry are standing trial for the case: Imran, who was the Director General of Population and Civil Registry, and his underling Sugiharto, who was the Director of Population Information and Administration.

However the trial on Thursday (March 9, 2017), revealed a long list of prominent officials who received money from the project.

Included on the list is former Interior Minister Gamawan Fauzi (USD 4.5 million), former Democratic Party Chair Anas Urbaningrum (USD 5.5 million), North Sulawesi Governor Olly Dondokambey (USD 1.2 million), Central Java Governor Ganjar Pranowo (USD 520 thousand) and current Justice Minister Yasona Laoly (USD 84 thousand)

Also on the list is virtually every member of the 51 person Komisi II DPR, the commission within DPR in charge of the interior, regardless of party affiliation.

It is unclear when or if the KPK is going to pursue these officials, although it has said it will expand the list of suspects.

Beyond the eKTP scandal, there are several large projects that are considered as major corruption grounds, including the Hambalang Sports Complex project.
 

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It has taken a while but, imo, slowly but surely this menace of graft is being exposed. Hopefully the new generation will get the message and this endemic disease will be gone....or at least diminished.

One problem, that I see, is about the 'real' independence of the commission against corruption...many members have their own secrets and some have revenge. Employing some foreigners who understand bahasa Indonesia would create a more balanced membership. Atlantis would be perfect....and he'd get an IMTA...:sad:

Another is the punishment doesn't fit the crime....maybe employing dafluff's avatar is the solution to that issue...:lol:

Good...now I've solved the problems of the day and had my cup of tea.... I'll go back to sleep...:yawn:
 

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The Cancer of indonesian society at the highest level , Its ironic when they step out of the kpk offices they are smiling almost proud , no shame very strange .

Its no wonder at lower levels of society , you get the opinion among the perpetrators ," if they can do it so can I " , very sad .
 

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It amazes me at the stupidity of these officials, how did they think issuing cheapie versions of the KTP they would get away with it, why bother now with an ID card if so many people haven't got one, my wife from day one moaned about her KTP failing apart, also like Scouse says they come out of their offices, big beams on their faces, they need a good kick in the bollocks to wipe the stupid grins of their faces, anyone convicted of corruption should lose every single asset they have , house, car, money and anything else they can get hold of, do a long term in prison, not the usual slap on the wrist, but then the Judges are thinking there but for the grace of god I haven't been caught yet
 

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In reality, some small guys take the wrap for the big shots and when they get out they are set very well financially. The DPR will start to dismantle even more of the powers of the KPK getting them right down to being powerless so the AGO has the only authority to prosecute corruptors knowing they are esily controled with the same cash. It wouldn't surprise me if that sudden, hey, I'm a freindly guy, meeting SBY got with Jokowi wasn't a deal making sesson to keep his name out of this since he was president then and the head of the Democratic party who were deeply involved. This fight has just begun. Hope the KPK is ready for a lot of court appeances before they ever get before the corruption court judges.
 

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Ha....some of these guys are going to be pissed they got less than the others. The central java guy is probably fuming....
 

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Also on the list is virtually every member of the 51 person Komisi II DPR, the commission within DPR in charge of the interior, regardless of party affiliation.
Another proof that money is the original unifying concept for all humanity, way ahead of empire and religion.
 

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I still maintain that this kind of thing happens in just about every other country, but in a much more refined way.

Where there is cash there are deals to be made.
Human nature being greedy. I guess it is much more open in developing countries where there is no safety net for poorer people so they do what they can to line their nests.

At some point capitalism will implode & money will become a thing of the past... when it will happen I dunno- probably when only a few people 'own" all the money & the masses see through the veneer. & it is a very thin veneer.

Anyway, it will be interesting for me to see what new faces come into the prison I visit.
One of the guys in there has a brother going through all the KPK stuff just now. His wife told me his brother set her hubby up so she sees it as karma coming to bite him on the bum for "destroying their lives".
 

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It happens in other countries but to plunder 50% of the project budget?? It is a little bit too much.
They stole 2,5 trillion Rp-just a comparison BPJS health insurance deficit for 2016 was 10 trillion Rp.
 

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It happens in other countries but to plunder 50% of the project budget?? It is a little bit too much.
They stole 2,5 trillion Rp-just a comparison BPJS health insurance deficit for 2016 was 10 trillion Rp.
Here instead of skimming a few rupiah they are so greedy they try and take the lot, so stupid, they think it won't be missed
 

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This is why the country has not developed. Sports venue stands unfinished, LRT pillars standing for years not finished, roads not getting built, power stations unfinished etc etc etc. Then the trickle down effects old ladies picking up plastics for food, lack of proper education and sanitation etc etc etc.. That is why these criminals need harsh punishment starting with there money being taken and then things getting unpleasant for a very long time but of course the whole judicial system is corrupt. It is not the same in all countries. I can't imagine all this happening in some countries. But of course nobody argues there is zero corruption anywhere. They do rate countries based on corruption and it is not all fallacy.
 

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It happens in other countries but to plunder 50% of the project budget??
Exactly. The argument of "it happens in other countries" doesn't hold water and is a joke for whoever has worked on public procurement. I did, for two years here, and I have been amazed to find out that the percentage siphoned in procurement is just insane, with next to no interest on quality delivered in ANY project. This is the reason why I decided to stop, despite money earned being ok.

Sorry, it does NOT happen in "every other countries" with the proportion and consequences it has here. When you build a road in the UK or many other country I guess that the contractor is held responsible for it and that potholes don't show up just three months after delivery of said road. If the contractor is left with 50% of the amount of the project, or in some cases even less, what the heck do you expect?

No-one pretends that corruption only happens in Indonesia. It is the proportion it has and the frequency at which it occurs at pretty much every level which is alarming, and not only in the public companies/government.

Commenting the murder rate of Caracas, Venezuela, presumably the city with the highest murder rate in the world), I don't thing that one would dare to say that it also happens in Tokyo or Singapore, presumably some of the safest city in the world. At the end of the day I don't think that any one walking at night in Caracas would think that his/her factor risk is about the same as if he/she would walking Orchard Road or in the vicinity of Shibuya station.
 
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North Sulawesi Governor Olly Dondokambey (USD 1.2 million),
Good ol' Olly... why am I not surprised to find his name and the size of his share here? My dearest region has the best governor people could have chosen.
 

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I really don't see how this country can progress. This is what continues year after year and then the grooming of the next generation in the same system. It is hard for me to fathom this level of greed with no connection to the people they are supposed to serve.
 

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It's amazing how much gets stolen, it's a wonder anything works here,
 

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Remember one of Suharto daughters some how fiddled a loan for some buses, I don't recall now how she did it but the HongKong bank went bankrupt, it worked out her buses cost a million dollars each, Steady and Safe, the company was called, they basically drove the buses into the ground, after about four years of no maintenance, they were total wrecks, it was quite unreal to watch them falling apart before your eyes.

Remember the Silk Air crash some years back, some one from the DGAC tried to sell me the Landing gear, I was quite friendly with the ICAO rep, an ex FAA inspector, a real nice chap, he tried hard to change the culture here, went back to the states a disalusioned man, quite sad really he had so much to offer this lot
 

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I came across corruption a couple of time in England, I used to look after two Cessna Citations and my boss asked me if I could find a hangar to start our own maintenance, anyway I found the hangar but no offices, so I designed some offices and though we could avoid planning permission by building the offices in the hangar, wrong, a gentleman Called Mr Rose turned up just as they were being completed, he said we did need planning permission and they would have to be knocked down, but there were ways round this, I told my boss he made arrangements to meet Mr Rose, anyway nothing more was said, my boss laughed and said arrangements were made, not out of the woods yet though, a building inspector came along and said there are no foundations, I explained the hangar floor was thick enough too take the building weight, he disagreed and said the hangar was built during the war and the foundation of the hangar was bomb damaged rubble from Southampton, the builder said leave it to me , which I did, end of story
 

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Ha..corruption everywhere but In england corruption is done under the table, in China corruption is done above the table but in Indonesia it includes the table.....
 

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Ha..corruption everywhere but In england corruption is done under the table, in China corruption is done above the table but in Indonesia it includes the table.....
That's quite a good comparison
 

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Exactly. The argument of "it happens in other countries" doesn't hold water and is a joke for whoever has worked on public procurement. I did, for two years here, and I have been amazed to find out that the percentage siphoned in procurement is just insane, with next to no interest on quality delivered in ANY project. This is the reason why I decided to stop, despite money earned being ok.

Sorry, it does NOT happen in "every other countries" with the proportion and consequences it has here. When you build a road in the UK or many other country I guess that the contractor is held responsible for it and that potholes don't show up just three months after delivery of said road. If the contractor is left with 50% of the amount of the project, or in some cases even less, what the heck do you expect?

No-one pretends that corruption only happens in Indonesia. It is the proportion it has and the frequency at which it occurs at pretty much every level which is alarming, and not only in the public companies/government.

Commenting the murder rate of Caracas, Venezuela, presumably the city with the highest murder rate in the world), I don't thing that one would dare to say that it also happens in Tokyo or Singapore, presumably some of the safest city in the world. At the end of the day I don't think that any one walking at night in Caracas would think that his/her factor risk is about the same as if he/she would walking Orchard Road or in the vicinity of Shibuya station.
& I disagree back :)
 

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