Indonesian police involved in 31 extrajudicial killings so far in 2024 ?

Indonesian police were allegedly involved in dozens of extrajudicial killings, resulting in the deaths of 31 people from Jan. 20024 through Nov. 2024 according to Amnesty International Indonesia.

...unlawful force...arbitrary arrest... plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
About 1000 civilians killed by US police every year.....

 
About 1000 civilians killed by US police every year.....

(sigh) here we go...another round of 'whataboutism'. The report was about extrajudicial killings.

Did you even read the article before posting the 'whataboutamerica?' reply?
 
(sigh) here we go...another round of 'whataboutism'. The report was about extrajudicial killings.

Did you even read the article before posting the 'whataboutamerica?' reply?
Man, when from Europe we see the general behaviour of US cops, we shake our head.

Nothing anti US in my post, it simply makes me laugh when an American highlights a "problem" in a developping country when his "the civilized world" wanting to teach everybody on everything does much worse.
 
I recall Norman Mailer making the point that the mentality of most police is similar to that of the criminals. Maintenance of law and order requires people who are capable of being violent and strong enough to overcome resistance. The nature of the job attracts many people who enjoy physical violence and being able to use their physicality while being supported by the governing authorities. The extent to which police overstep the mark, so to speak, depends upon management and the prevailing culture of the society in which they function. As crime levels rise the tendency is for the general population to approve of increasingly violent levels of suppression.

Watching local TV news this morning and yet another story with a would be robber being beaten by a mob. It seems common for apprehended criminals to be paraded with legs bandaged and sometimes with the explanation that they were shot while trying to escape. Who knows how many extra-judicial police killings occur in Indonesia each year? In Kenya last year there were 118 extra judicial killings by police. When I was living there, during one six month period 800 thieves were beaten to death by mobs..
 
Havent been any major terrorist attacks in a while and if thats partly because of the extra judicial killings then maybe its just the price to pay.
 
Havent been any major terrorist attacks in a while and if thats partly because of the extra judicial killings then maybe its just the price to pay.
That's a nice thought, but I'm sure the people that perform terrorists attacks, are completely out of the publics eye. They live like ordinary citizens, doing the same things all people do.

When it comes to terrorism, the groups are well trained, with well trained leaders. And before performing any attack, they meticulously plan and plan.
Most likely, no one around them would even notice until it's too late.
Luckily, there hasn't been any for a long time now. 🙏👍
 
I recall Norman Mailer making the point that the mentality of most police is similar to that of the criminals. Maintenance of law and order requires people who are capable of being violent and strong enough to overcome resistance. The nature of the job attracts many people who enjoy physical violence and being able to use their physicality while being supported by the governing authorities. The extent to which police overstep the mark, so to speak, depends upon management and the prevailing culture of the society in which they function. As crime levels rise the tendency is for the general population to approve of increasingly violent levels of suppression.

Watching local TV news this morning and yet another story with a would be robber being beaten by a mob. It seems common for apprehended criminals to be paraded with legs bandaged and sometimes with the explanation that they were shot while trying to escape. Who knows how many extra-judicial police killings occur in Indonesia each year? In Kenya last year there were 118 extra judicial killings by police. When I was living there, during one six month period 800 thieves were beaten to death by mobs..
I used to hear stories of local people catching a thief and beating them furiously. That was a long time ago. Maybe I just don't know what's happening now, or it's not talked about.
 
I used to hear stories of local people catching a thief and beating them furiously. That was a long time ago. Maybe I just don't know what's happening now, or it's not talked about.
A common story appearing with local Indonesian language TV.
 
Like this?
Good on them for doing this. Violence by anyone, whether it be the Government, Police, Or Terrorists, is not good for anyone, unless it is absolutely necessary to protect innocent people.
 
Extrajudicial killing happened on a large scale in Thailand and Philippines during their "war on drugs"
And we're not speaking a few dozens !
 
I used to hear stories of local people catching a thief and beating them furiously. That was a long time ago. Maybe I just don't know what's happening now, or it's not talked about.
I saw from my window, not a pleasant view. It looked in one moment that guy would be lynched, but few people separated the mob (consisted of ordinary men).
 
Good on them for doing this. Violence by anyone, whether it be the Government, Police, Or Terrorists, is not good for anyone, unless it is absolutely necessary to protect innocent people.
Just keep in mind that just because a person or group of people claim somone is a terrorist, doesn't make the claim true. Seen a few cases where the "terrorist" was just an enemy of the state but claiming terrorsim makes it easy to justify killing them without an actual trial.
 
Just keep in mind that just because a person or group of people claim somone is a terrorist, doesn't make the claim true. Seen a few cases where the "terrorist" was just an enemy of the state but claiming terrorsim makes it easy to justify killing them without an actual trial.
You are right. It reminds me of the Israeli and Palestinian conflict. The Israeli's are called Soldiers, but the Palestinian's ,and Lebanese, are called Terrorist!
 
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Extrajudicial killing happened on a large scale in Thailand and Philippines during their "war on drugs"
And we're not speaking a few dozens !
Petrus was another. Bad time to have a tattoo.
 
Do you have a list of the dead?
The group pushing the complaints is very political and very left wing. That in mind, I don't trust their 'facts'.
I checked the police website they say everything was ok, no issues.
 

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